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VitalSigns posted:You kind of have to hand McConnell some grudging respect for how shrewdly he works over the kind of self-important trivia-obsessed dork who smugly thinks memorizing a bunch of inane procedural and historical artifacts makes him a politically savvy insider genius.
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VitalSigns posted:You kind of have to hand McConnell some grudging respect for how shrewdly he works over the kind of self-important trivia-obsessed dork who smugly thinks memorizing a bunch of inane procedural and historical artifacts makes him a politically savvy insider genius. the democrat walk and the republican stride 
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not a cult posted:the democrat walk and the republican stride why is his rear end on his front
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Seyser Koze posted:why is his rear end on his front It’s his Chad dick, as portrayed by someone with the artistic talent of a small child.
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I’m really curious why those Republicans are seeking hall passes on that. I understand why Rand Paul votes no, so he can keep up the illusion of him being anything other than a lovely paleoconservative like his dad, but why the rest?
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m really curious why those Republicans are seeking hall passes on that. I understand why Rand Paul votes no, so he can keep up the illusion of him being anything other than a lovely paleoconservative like his dad, but why the rest? Too little of a handout to the MIC.
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1042394554996011013?s=21 anyone who doesn't want sanders at this point needs to sit the next cycle out.
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Crossposting from Trump thread because of the genuine USPol facets and potential: Wonks, Bowties, and Lanyards! Oh My! The Congressional Research Service is now making their output public and will be adding from the archives as well. Think of it as a mix of think tank, internal office/Constituent Service resources, and institutional knowledge about what is in effect from a legislative standpoint. The internal resources bit is conceptually fascinating to me off the bat. A lot of that is constituent service, for instance an Obamacare FAQ. Despite the vile evilness of Obamacare, GOP reps know that their staff cannot reply to inquiries with "Rely on the mercies of the market, your faith in Galt will provide for your health". The second order effect of this: mitigating a benefit of incumbency. Challengers will now have access to many of the same resources that sitting reps and senators do. One of the ways that reps get more votes and better margins than the president on the same ballot is that basic aspect of service-even if they're a chud/commie, they've got my vote because they helped us get Aunt Millie her wheelchair. And i'm sharing that story widely. That next step is where this gets me really excited (I'm a deeply broken person)-this (possibly, if applied properly) helps level the primary playing field. An enterprising extraparty org (Justice, OurRev, Indivisible, GHE, etc) who collects and improves on these documents gives their candidates an edge over the party committee picks. As this thread rightly notes, there are huge gaps created when committees misuse fundraising aptitude to demonstrate viability. When candidates can effectively leverage enthusiasm into volunteers and into crowds at appearances, this info can help them convert those into credibility and personal connection. Sticking with the Obamacare example, party endorsement pales in comparison to getting me on the exchanges after I'm fired... and as you walk me through that overly complex process, I'm more apt to believe you know what you're talking about when you tell me how you'd fix healthcare. The other bit that excites me is that progressives have a huge disadvantage as it comes to thinktanks. Unless the chapostrain of nerdmockery expands further through the base, the lack of white papers, proposals, and plans beyond the headlines will put a ceiling on the electoral and legislative potential of the movement. We saw in 16 that trying to spool that up on short notice leads to laughably dumb results, first and foremost being the ludicrous Friedman 5% annual growth analysis of Bernie's healthcare proposal. That CAP and other establishment/lib tanks haven't stepped up to put weight and resource behind left policy is a damning failure. This archive creates a foundation that progressive and leftist groups can use to swiftly close the gap, and AOC, Pressley, Tlaib, and Omar (and others!) can make targeted requests to fill holes, knowing they'll make it into the public domain. Tl;dr: That scene Sorkin hosed up and allowed to shoot where the intern exposes what a sheltered, blowhard elitist Sam is. Only instead of Sam learning a nebulous and temporary lesson, a progressive ballot stomping the establishment forever.
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Doublepost to cross this from state/local. I'm going to do an armchair postmortem effortpost on the primaries at some point. Soliciting suggestions for anything I've missed that is of note or highlights a trend.Paracaidas posted:Currently planning to focus on (in addition to the obvious AOC):
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Groovelord Neato posted:anyone who doesn't want sanders at this point needs to sit the next cycle out. But he's too old to be accepted by our  -obsessed voters
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VitalSigns posted:But he's too old to be accepted by our At this point I can't make the age argument anymore. I've considered him to be too old for my preference in the past, but gently caress that noise. Stakes are too high, and even if he is at a high risk of passing while in office, all it means is that the VP pick is more important than previous administrations. I cannot think of any downside other than people's preference for someone younger at this point.
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Groovelord Neato posted:if you had someone voting like sanders votes but was 30 years younger id be all over it. but all the other senators that’ll be running for 2020 just lost with that vote. Yeah, it is not a good look for any senator that wants to run in 2020 that isn't bernie sanders.
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I’m genuinely curious who Bernie is going to float as a VP pick. Nobody in the Senate seems suitable to me.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m genuinely curious who Bernie is going to float as a VP pick. Nobody in the Senate seems suitable to me. The ticket is going to be a choose two between warren, booker, and sanders. My guess is Sanders/Booker.
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Groovelord Neato posted:sanders/cortez. She's literally too young. Like, Constitutionally.
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At this point do we have to even pretend proposed candidates have to make more sense than eating the crust backwards as long as they're not grotesque shitgoblins? We can vote for the principled congressman that says to Kavanaugh "Just because I'm voting for you, doesn't mean I have to like you" followed by standing ovation and Sorkin spontaneously ejaculating. A rapist who cut welfare, a holy warring teetotaler legacy dunce, a shameless fuckbuddy of the finance sector continuing the worst parts of the previous, and Mr Deals himself. Its silly to pretend the President is even expected to not be under federal investigation for any crime between treason, sexual assault, or criminal conspiracy. We're basically down to the point of some kleptocracy where half a dozen corruption charges and a couple rapes followed by claiming HIV doesn't lead to AIDS isn't out of the norm. For fucks sake, the most pressing national issue is a pornstars description of the gross penis of an extra from Home Alone 2. If Bernie turns to complete dust, just put some sunglasses on him and hire some Haitians to make marionette out of him. This worked twice in the 80s. All he needs to do is cut the checks, do you demand to see the hydroponic agriculture certification of weed dealers? Do you think the awkward couple minutes your weed dealer hangs out to not look like its a stash house makes him your friend? Do you think short of the wonderful personality disorders afflicting angel-crank Sanders any of these people are held to any kind of standard or deserve any kind of respect? They do what you want, or you tell them to leave, and if they refuse, you call the police.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:She's literally too young. Like, Constitutionally.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m really curious why those Republicans are seeking hall passes on that. I understand why Rand Paul votes no, so he can keep up the illusion of him being anything other than a lovely paleoconservative like his dad, but why the rest? The Politico piece mentions that the GOP traded off cuts to programs like PP in exchange for the war vote from the Dems, so I'm guessing the non-Paul guys voting against it are ardent right-to-lifers. Paracaidas posted:That next step is where this gets me really excited (I'm a deeply broken person)-this (possibly, if applied properly) helps level the primary playing field. An enterprising extraparty org (Justice, OurRev, Indivisible, GHE, etc) who collects and improves on these documents gives their candidates an edge over the party committee picks. As this thread rightly notes, there are huge gaps created when committees misuse fundraising aptitude to demonstrate viability. When candidates can effectively leverage enthusiasm into volunteers and into crowds at appearances, this info can help them convert those into credibility and personal connection. Sticking with the Obamacare example, party endorsement pales in comparison to getting me on the exchanges after I'm fired... and as you walk me through that overly complex process, I'm more apt to believe you know what you're talking about when you tell me how you'd fix healthcare. lol. It's gonna take more than walking people through "Here's a link to healthcare.gov so you can replace your golden employer-provided insurance with a plan that comes with a $7,000 annual deductible" to motivate voters. I reckon that lefties instead will stick with their plan to promote the sane healthcare plan supported by 70 percent of Americans. Not to mention how bizarre it is to think that pols' pimping the current healthcare system is any way related to M4A, or that they must pimp such plans in order to gain voters' trust on the issue, or that congressional Dem leaders won't rest on their ACA laurels at least till annual deductibles reach $10,000/year for those earning $18,000/year.
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Willa Rogers posted:till annual deductibles reach $10,000/year for those earning $18,000/year.
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Sneakster posted:...Thats hyperbole, right? Like saying an oven is hot as the sun tier hyperbole, right? No. Look at the current year: quote:For 2018 ACA plans, HHS announced that the maximum allowable cost-sharing (including out-of-pocket costs for deductibles, co-payments, and co-insurance) is "7,350 for self-only coverage and $14,700 for other than self-only coverage."3 "Other than self-only coverage" refers to insurance coverage of more than one person such as the coverage of a family. That goes for individuals making as "much" as $17,000 (in most expansion states) this year. If you're a penny over the Medicaid threshold in expansion states, these are the kinds of out-of-pocket costs you're saddled with. ACA apologists will point to the silver plans having "cost sharing" that reduces out-of-pocket costs (rather, has the feds paying for the difference), but then one also is paying higher monthly premiums, which is loving hard to do when you're netting $14-15k/year. And for pre-Medicare olds, who are paying 3x what youngs are toward premiums, those bronze-level plans that expose one to financial ruin should one actually need medical care become the default choice for people making lower-middle incomes. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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Sneakster posted:...Thats hyperbole, right? Like saying an oven is hot as the sun tier hyperbole, right? no the ACA is horribly structured so that there's no recourse other than 'don't have insurance' if your company charges you an arm and a leg in scale with your earnings and OH HEY LOOK AT THAT companies have exploited that. They put a cap in for deductibles but it was literally thousands of dollars and it's been constantly adjusted upwards, meaning if a company charges you the actual most they're allowed to and that just happens to be like 80% of your budget there's zero leverage you have because it's all following the rules.
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Sneakster posted:...Thats hyperbole, right? Like saying an oven is hot as the sun tier hyperbole, right? The only good thing tromp did was kill the mandate, because that frees up wasted money for a huge number of people who were being forced into paying for insurance that was utterly useless to them. You're completely screwed with or without insurance, so no point in paying for something you can't ever use. Since the ACA is now hellfucked without it there's actual pressure to do something and lol if you think people will accept "the only thing we're going to change is to penalize the poo poo out of you" as a fix as premiums keep jumping double-digits a year.
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^^^ Yah. I didn't even get into the new normal of ultra-narrow networks, or surprise/balance billing, which makes "coverage" even more of a joke. And to tie things back into the theme of this thread, elected Dems' proposals to "improve" the ACA are almost entirely: 1. Provide more government money to insurers. 2. Raise the threshold for government subsidies beyond the current $46,000/individuals & whatever it is for families. 3. Bring back the mandate and make it super-punitive this time. (Mandates have been passed at the state level in a handful of [Dem-majority] states.) 4. Maybe, if we have a congress comprised of 70 percent Democrats and a Dem president, offer up a weakened "public option" that's "priced on an even playing field" with private insurers. Do something (anything!) to ameliorate high out-of-pocket costs for lower-middle incomes? lol, they should be happy "we now have healthcare thanks to president obama."
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Willa Rogers posted:lol. It's gonna take more than walking people through "Here's a link to healthcare.gov so you can replace your golden employer-provided insurance with a plan that comes with a $7,000 annual deductible" to motivate voters. I reckon that lefties instead will stick with their plan to promote the sane healthcare plan supported by 70 percent of Americans. It's possible to help people for whom the exchanges are the best available option to navigate the overly complex process without "pimping" Obamacare. An event where [nonIncumbent candidate A] and their volunteers help guide constituents through that process earns supporters and advocates, helping in the primary and in November (it also gives volunteers a call to action, immediate talking point, and a definable reason for the conversation while doorknocking etc, which is great). Training the volunteers at the event to end their conversations with "If you also think that this should have been shorter, easier, cheaper, and that losing your job shouldn't have lost your coverage in the first place, I hope we can count on your support for [NIC A] as we fight for Medicare for All" has a bit more weight than it does on a brochure, having just demonstrated for the voter an understanding of the current system and its many weaknesses. None of which requires an iota of praise for the ACA. Sneakster posted:...Thats hyperbole, right? Like saying an oven is hot as the sun tier hyperbole, right? With that said, even the gold standard of establishment leadership incrementalism (CAP's Medicare Extra For All) would see the vast majority of people at that income covered with $0 out of pocket and the rest with minimal (but too high) costs. It's an insufficient proposal for a litany of reasons (not least of which being the continued meanstesting), but it also likely marks the boundary of the furthest right/most centrist (centristist?) policy any federal Dem will be running on in 2020. Which is a hell of a feat over the course of a decade. Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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My girlfriend got a job with UPS corporate and the relative costs of insurance there is pretty brutal relative to our income, and that’s not even in this realm you guys are discussing. Healthcare is stupidly expensive. Also Ireland legalized abortion and its available free to all. America sucks.
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Willa Rogers posted:No. Look at the current year: Do all of the ACA federal subsidies to individuals (including the one about federal reimbursement for out-of-pocket costs) come in the form of a tax credit that you get only when you file your return? Because having to wait until then sure would suck!
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I was curious what healthcare research had been requested recently so I started there on the CRS site and thus Obamacare was the first constituent FAQ I saw. If it helps, pretend I wrote that post using an example of SNAP or Ag aid or literally anything the gently caress else.
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Paracaidas posted:Doublepost to cross this from state/local. I'm going to do an armchair postmortem effortpost on the primaries at some point. Soliciting suggestions for anything I've missed that is of note or highlights a trend. Out of curiosity, why MA-07 now that the primary is over? There is no republican candidate for the general.
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MooselanderII posted:Do all of the ACA federal subsidies to individuals (including the one about federal reimbursement for out-of-pocket costs) come in the form of a tax credit that you get only when you file your return? Because having to wait until then sure would suck! No, you don't have to wait till you file; they're advance tax credits. You just have to square it on your final return (ie, you'll get a refund if you overestimated your income or pay more taxes if you underestimated it. eta: Subsidies for cost-sharing are factored into the price you're quoted for health insurance when you sign up for it. But silver plans are the only ones for which the government shares out-of-pocket costs.
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MooselanderII posted:Out of curiosity, why MA-07 now that the primary is over? There is no republican candidate for the general.
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Jesus loving Christ, I was just glad to get access to something better than the homeless clinic. I didn't know it was this bad. Even if its for technically wrong reasons, Freep was right about him all along, more or less.
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Recently went through open enrollment and had to go through a slew of various add on health insurance gap coverage products that apply to narrow specific instances only(injury, illness, hospitalization, etc) which is new. These only applied to meeting your deductible for that particular category. This is in addition to the now standard bullshit like healthcare savings accounts. We're all just navigating a monstrous system making panicked and futile attempts to control the size of the hole that gets stomped in our chests if anyone in our family gets hurt or sick. There's a reason the that 70% of the country and the majority of Republicans want M4A.
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Willa Rogers posted:lol. It's gonna take more than walking people through "Here's a link to healthcare.gov so you can replace your golden employer-provided insurance with a plan that comes with a $7,000 annual deductible" to motivate voters. I reckon that lefties instead will stick with their plan to promote the sane healthcare plan supported by 70 percent of Americans. I get what Paracaidas is saying, but I think they're heavily overestimating how much that stuff will matter to most voters. Most normal people don't care about how much politicians can project their "professionalism" to voters and aren't going to be offended by a politician not being able to rattle off all the details about a plan on the fly. At the end of the day, the core of these issues is very simple - some people and organizations unjustly have too much money/resources, and their money/resources need to be taken and given to people in need. There's not really any question that the details can be worked out (and that even a suboptimal solution that does this would be better than the status quo), so it's dumb to fret about this sort of thing. It's like someone demanding to know the specific details about how a civil rights activist intends to integrate schools and then declaring them "not serious enough" when they can't explain exactly how they intend to distribute children, etc. These are extremely basic social justice issues, and endlessly berating activists for not being able to provide white papers or whatever only serves the interests of those who wish to preserve the status quo. Harik posted:You're completely screwed with or without insurance, so no point in paying for something you can't ever use. I think this is where the "logic" of the white collar professionals who craft these plans falls apart. To them, they just see "people would pay a lot less money!", but what they don't realize is that the "lower cost" isn't really helpful if it's still way more than people can pay. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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