Each of our suppliers will offer two choices. Each has some unique assets that set the choices apart. All of these choices are $225,000,000. PICK TWO BROADSTREET FORD LINCOLN AND MILITARY Option #1 : Sunday Football! 6 - Super Tukes - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2254/ 4 - F-111 - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1225/ 1 - AN/TPS-75 - http://cmano-db.com/facility/143/ Option #2 : Semper Fi! 4- A-6 - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2327/ 2 - MQ-1C - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2579/ 1 - AN/TPS-43 - http://cmano-db.com/facility/146/ IVANOV BROTHERS Option #1 : Fishbed Ahoy 5 Fencer D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/600/ 4 HIND D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2946/ 10 F-7A http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3040/ 1 Spoon Rest P-18 http://cmano-db.com/facility/1657/ Option #2 : Leverage 4 Fencer D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/600/ 6 Fulcrum C http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1049/ 1 Patty Cake http://cmano-db.com/facility/258/ KLAUS AND PEDERSEN Option #1 : I'll Be Back 6 Mirage http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3153/ 4 Term http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/4241/ 1 PS-14 http://cmano-db.com/facility/2124/ Option #2 : Gote 4 Kurnass http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/135/ 8 Jaguar http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3814/ 1 Goteborg http://cmano-db.com/ship/75/ PICK TWO Seeing as the SSLP format wasn't a total shitshow, we now have the ability to use a bote should we choose to buy it. The pacing fits better so we can bring in naval assets and not claw our eyes out with boredom as we sub hunt. Back to you Hired Goons!
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 02:50 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:01 |
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SEMPER FI, GOTE EDIT: Also, if you can update me on the reserve list, I'll take any free aircraft seat.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 02:52 |
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Sunday Football and Gote
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 02:57 |
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Sundays are for Football so I'll be Back with the chips and dip. (VOTE COUNTS TOWARDS SUNDAY FOOTBALL AND I'LL BE BACK) We still have a bote. Yes, it's beached, but we can still use it. Thus, we don't need another.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:03 |
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Kilonum posted:SEMPER FI, GOTE Exactly what I was thinking. Seconded.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:03 |
power crystals posted:Sunday Football and Gote Thirded
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:03 |
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I'll Be Back and fuckit, Semper Fi Remember what happened to the frigates we had, and those were able to defend themselves. The Gotaborg is essentially a mobile anti-ship missile platform which is neat for the baltic but... ech. I'll Be Back is probably the best of the lot for workable airframes. The Mirage F1s are essentially 2000s in cosplay, think of them as Kfirs as they'd function about identically. The Terminators are interesting birds. Dedicated ground attack Phantoms with standoff capability thanks to the Popeye and even ALCM capability with the SOM A. They even get a penetrator bomb, neat. Semper Fi gives us Intruders, jacks of all ground attack trades and masters of all. If it's on the ground and you want it dead, it'll do it. You have Harpoons, HARMs, Walleyes, Paveways, decoys, Mavericks and even the Skipper, a 500lb Paveway with a rocket booster because why not. Recce is also always welcome, the MQ-1Cs are identical to our existing MQ-1Bs except they get Mavericks instead of Brimstones. Who knows, maybe these ones will actually engage targets. And now for the joke options Sunday football gives us goddamn Tucanos with mediocre WVR A2A missiles and dedicated big fast Paveway droppers. Bleh. Best ground-based radar if you're interested in that sort of thing though. Fishbed Ahoy gives us Chinese knockoff Fishbeds which are horrible (oh boy AIM-9Bs but made by Communists, I can't wait for these to fail off the rail or go after the sun and only the sun) attack helicopters and Fencers. The Fencers are actually pretty good, but the rest of this is rubbish. Very mediocre ground radar too. Leverage would have been really compelling if they could have found SMTs. Oh well. The Fencers are the Soviet's attempt at an Intruder, trading away some stuff like the decoys and the Skipper for an afterburner. The MiG-29M is the first attempt at an improved Fulcrum, though how much of an improvement is debatable when the best A2A missile you have is the goddamn R-27. Gote is absolutely terrible. First off, if you want 8 Swedish AShMs, we can have some Viggens printed, at least those might have a chance of surviving. When you're relying on Bofors guns like it's WW2 for your air defence, you might as well not bother. Kurnass is nigh-identical to the Terminator in I'll Be Back but with a longer-ranged ALCM, and the Jaguars are AMX-tier bomb droppers. Quinntan fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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We want those Mirages, their MICA is the only decent A2A missile of the lot and the plane is a good all rounder too. I'll Be Back and Semper Fi Because Intruders are the best plane that we don't need.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:12 |
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Semper Fi is a must. Intruders give us the desperately-needed dedicated strike aircraft that can haul some weight and take some damage, plus more drones. I'll Be Back beefs up our ground strike with some Double Uglies that can throw Popeyes from range and the Mirages can shoot MICAs in air-to air. It's actually a nice little strike package on its own.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:16 |
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Uh, does the Delilah do what I think it does? Because that range + loitering ability seems fricken awesome in a A2G missile.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:19 |
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habeasdorkus posted:Uh, does the Delilah do what I think it does? Because that range + loitering ability seems fricken awesome in a A2G missile. It seems so, but given the sorts of things you're likely to be targeting with an ALCM, loitering ability seems somewhat superfluous unless you're after a semi-deniable way to blow up Palestinians.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:37 |
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Semper Fi, Gote I was thinking the F-111s would be more survivable than the A-6s, but the Intruders can carry HARMs. We're going to need those. The Jaguars that come along with GoteBote carry ASRAAMs for defense. Quite a bit more range than your normal heaters... not a truly offensive missile like the MICA but it should be fairly capable of defending itself.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:40 |
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Genuine question: do we have to buy anything?
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:51 |
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I'm going to do a bit of a blow by blow with my initial thoughts on each package, I'll launch CMANO and check out each of the radars properly tomorrow.Yooper posted:Option #1 : Sunday Football! quote:Option #2 : Semper Fi! quote:Option #1 : Fishbed Ahoy quote:Option #2 : Leverage quote:Option #1 : I'll Be Back quote:Option #2 : Gote
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:59 |
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Semper Fi and I’ll Be Back seem to be the only realistic choices to me
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 05:39 |
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FrangibleCover posted:Can we buy it twice? That's actually a question I have too. I'd take two of this over any other package, and maybe that accountant guy would like it if we consolidated a bit...
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 05:41 |
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I'll be back and semper fi
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 06:16 |
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I'll be Back and Semper FI
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 06:31 |
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Gote and Semper Fi
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:05 |
I'll Be Back & Semper Fi And just to be clear, I didn't see any way we would get a slice of the Goldman Sachs profits. Just providing a theory about why they're offering it in the first place.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:07 |
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Semper Fi and I'll be back
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:28 |
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I'll be back x2 If thats not allowed then A: *boos loudly* B: I'll be back and scampi fries
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:45 |
Serious question: which package would pair best with gotes?
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 08:08 |
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Semper Fi and Sunday Football
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:04 |
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RandomPauI posted:Serious question: which package would pair best with gotes? Serious answer: Nothing; we have a bote already so stop trying to get more.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:09 |
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I'll be back and a forlorn hope for Fishbed Ahoy
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:18 |
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I'll be back and Semper Fi The only things that the bote have going for it is being cute and a being a bote. (I'm reasonably sure that I've been aboard that bote or at least one of the same class. They're neat but not useful to us.)
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:19 |
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I'll be Back and Semper FI
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 11:34 |
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Semper Fi x2 If not allowed Semper Fi and I'll be back
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 12:20 |
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Quick rundown of the radars: AN/TPS-73 - Reasonably modern, although not as modern as our Master or the Long White search unit on our Sky Bow. A decent 3D air search radar, but we don't need one. AN/TPS-43E - Almost exactly the same as the TPS-73 except less modern and therefore more susceptible to jamming. Still okay. Spoon Rest P-18 - Old and bad 2D radar, probably more useful as SEAD bait than a radar given that these things are traditionally attached to SAM batteries. Patty Cake HF - Genuinely horrible Height Finder radar. Technically synergises with any of the 2D radars to produce a whole 3D system. Practically does not. PS-14 - Near useless 2D radar, highly susceptible to modern jamming. Goteborg class bote - Honestly looking at the other non-aircraft assets on offer my opinion on the Goteborg has softened a little. It has eight good missiles and little else to recommend to it, but that's eight more missiles than these useless radars get us. It also has a late 80s ELINT suite with a rated 800nmi range, which is nearly as good as Tokyo Bay Fortress's early 90s ELINT suite. It will be sunk, it will not put up much of a fight when it does sink, it'll still be more useful to us as an offensive, go getting air wing than another radar to sit at home and irradiate any Albanian shepherd stupid enough to skyline himself. Anyway, votes are I'll be back and actually Gote. Gote is the only package where I can see the utility of every option we're being offered. The Kurnasses are good stand-off strike planes, the Jaguars are mediocre LGB platforms but we get six of them so we can afford to play a little fast and loose with them and the Goteborg herself, for the reasons enumerated above, is a surprisingly good buy. Semper Fi and Fishbeds Ahoy are also both good options if you prefer to think in terms of buying the headline choice and then accepting that it's going to come with some crap.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 12:36 |
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FrangibleCover posted:our Master I'm sorry to inform you, but the Groundmaster is dead.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:00 |
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TheDemon posted:I'm sorry to inform you, but the Groundmaster is dead. Balls, forgot that. That changes the calculations a little but honestly what it changes the towards is Semper Fi, so I'm okay with being the dissenting voice.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:32 |
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Semper Fi and Ill be back.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:42 |
Quinntan posted:Genuine question: do we have to buy anything? We can pass and go to 3DP acquisition but the suppliers won't put forth another set of packages until another lull. (3 Missions or so, maybe 5)
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:46 |
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Ill be back. and if needed, Semper Fi. Those Moroccan Mirages are baby Gripens with both ARH AAMs and SDB-equivalents, really an opportunity we cannot miss.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:02 |
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I'll be back and Sunday Football
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:11 |
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I'll be back
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:12 |
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Oh poo poo, A-6s. And Fencers! A boooooooooooote. I love me some botes, but I'm hoping we can arrange a more naval-centric purchase later. For now, Semper Fi! and Fishbed Ahoy gets some cool rear end planes. I am here for the cool rear end planes. And botes.
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:21 |
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I'll be back and Semper Fi
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:55 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:01 |
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# ? Sep 20, 2018 19:41 |