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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Video Games > Let's Play! > Strike Command: Wait, is that a fucking laser?

Yooper: Apr 30, 2012

Each of our suppliers will offer two choices. Each has some unique assets that set the choices apart. All of these choices are $225,000,000.

PICK TWO

BROADSTREET FORD LINCOLN AND MILITARY

Option #1 : Sunday Football!

6 - Super Tukes - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2254/
4 - F-111 - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1225/
1 - AN/TPS-75 - http://cmano-db.com/facility/143/

Option #2 : Semper Fi!

4- A-6 - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2327/
2 - MQ-1C - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2579/
1 - AN/TPS-43 - http://cmano-db.com/facility/146/

IVANOV BROTHERS

Option #1 : Fishbed Ahoy

5 Fencer D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/600/
4 HIND D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2946/
10 F-7A http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3040/
1 Spoon Rest P-18 http://cmano-db.com/facility/1657/

Option #2 : Leverage

4 Fencer D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/600/
6 Fulcrum C http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1049/
1 Patty Cake http://cmano-db.com/facility/258/

KLAUS AND PEDERSEN

Option #1 : I'll Be Back

6 Mirage http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3153/
4 Term http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/4241/
1 PS-14 http://cmano-db.com/facility/2124/

Option #2 : Gote

4 Kurnass http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/135/
8 Jaguar http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3814/
1 Goteborg http://cmano-db.com/ship/75/

PICK TWO

Seeing as the SSLP format wasn't a total shitshow, we now have the ability to use a bote should we choose to buy it. The pacing fits better so we can bring in naval assets and not claw our eyes out with boredom as we sub hunt.

Back to you Hired Goons!

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# ? May 17, 2024 19:14

Kilonum: Sep 30, 2002; You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

SEMPER FI, GOTE

EDIT:
Also, if you can update me on the reserve list, I'll take any free aircraft seat.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 02:52

power crystals: Jun 6, 2007; Who wants a belly rub??

Sunday Football and Gote

# ? Sep 20, 2018 02:57

HereticMIND: Nov 4, 2012

Sundays are for Football so I'll be Back with the chips and dip. (VOTE COUNTS TOWARDS SUNDAY FOOTBALL AND I'LL BE BACK)

We still have a bote. Yes, it's beached, but we can still use it. Thus, we don't need another.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:03

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Kilonum posted:

SEMPER FI, GOTE

Exactly what I was thinking. Seconded.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:03

Hexenritter: May 20, 2001

power crystals posted:

Sunday Football and Gote

Thirded

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:03

Quinntan: Sep 11, 2013

I'll Be Back and fuckit, Semper Fi

Remember what happened to the frigates we had, and those were able to defend themselves. The Gotaborg is essentially a mobile anti-ship missile platform which is neat for the baltic but... ech.

I'll Be Back is probably the best of the lot for workable airframes. The Mirage F1s are essentially 2000s in cosplay, think of them as Kfirs as they'd function about identically. The Terminators are interesting birds. Dedicated ground attack Phantoms with standoff capability thanks to the Popeye and even ALCM capability with the SOM A. They even get a penetrator bomb, neat.

Semper Fi gives us Intruders, jacks of all ground attack trades and masters of all. If it's on the ground and you want it dead, it'll do it. You have Harpoons, HARMs, Walleyes, Paveways, decoys, Mavericks and even the Skipper, a 500lb Paveway with a rocket booster because why not. Recce is also always welcome, the MQ-1Cs are identical to our existing MQ-1Bs except they get Mavericks instead of Brimstones. Who knows, maybe these ones will actually engage targets.

And now for the joke options

Sunday football gives us goddamn Tucanos with mediocre WVR A2A missiles and dedicated big fast Paveway droppers. Bleh. Best ground-based radar if you're interested in that sort of thing though.

Fishbed Ahoy gives us Chinese knockoff Fishbeds which are horrible (oh boy AIM-9Bs but made by Communists, I can't wait for these to fail off the rail or go after the sun and only the sun) attack helicopters and Fencers. The Fencers are actually pretty good, but the rest of this is rubbish. Very mediocre ground radar too.

Leverage would have been really compelling if they could have found SMTs. Oh well. The Fencers are the Soviet's attempt at an Intruder, trading away some stuff like the decoys and the Skipper for an afterburner. The MiG-29M is the first attempt at an improved Fulcrum, though how much of an improvement is debatable when the best A2A missile you have is the goddamn R-27.

Gote is absolutely terrible. First off, if you want 8 Swedish AShMs, we can have some Viggens printed, at least those might have a chance of surviving. When you're relying on Bofors guns like it's WW2 for your air defence, you might as well not bother. Kurnass is nigh-identical to the Terminator in I'll Be Back but with a longer-ranged ALCM, and the Jaguars are AMX-tier bomb droppers.

Quinntan fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Sep 20, 2018

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:04

TheDemon: Dec 11, 2006; _{...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.}

We want those Mirages, their MICA is the only decent A2A missile of the lot and the plane is a good all rounder too.

I'll Be Back and Semper Fi

Because Intruders are the best plane that we don't need.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:12

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth: Apr 23, 2004

Semper Fi is a must. Intruders give us the desperately-needed dedicated strike aircraft that can haul some weight and take some damage, plus more drones.

I'll Be Back beefs up our ground strike with some Double Uglies that can throw Popeyes from range and the Mirages can shoot MICAs in air-to air. It's actually a nice little strike package on its own.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:16

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Uh, does the Delilah do what I think it does? Because that range + loitering ability seems fricken awesome in a A2G missile.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:19

Quinntan: Sep 11, 2013

habeasdorkus posted:

Uh, does the Delilah do what I think it does? Because that range + loitering ability seems fricken awesome in a A2G missile.

It seems so, but given the sorts of things you're likely to be targeting with an ALCM, loitering ability seems somewhat superfluous unless you're after a semi-deniable way to blow up Palestinians.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:37

Hobo on Fire: Dec 4, 2008

Semper Fi, Gote
I was thinking the F-111s would be more survivable than the A-6s, but the Intruders can carry HARMs. We're going to need those.
The Jaguars that come along with GoteBote carry ASRAAMs for defense. Quite a bit more range than your normal heaters... not a truly offensive missile like the MICA but it should be fairly capable of defending itself.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:40

Quinntan: Sep 11, 2013

Genuine question: do we have to buy anything?

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:51

FrangibleCover: Jan 23, 2018; Nothing going on in my quiet corner of the Pacific.

This is the life. I'm just lying here in my hammock in Townsville, sipping a G&T.

I'm going to do a bit of a blow by blow with my initial thoughts on each package, I'll launch CMANO and check out each of the radars properly tomorrow.

Yooper posted:

Option #1 : Sunday Football!

6 - Super Tukes - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2254/
4 - F-111 - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1225/
1 - AN/TPS-75 - http://cmano-db.com/facility/143/

I'm not feeling it. The Tucanos are an excellent tool for a mission we're not currently doing and are otherwise not really set up to do. I don't want to be going into a big complicated SEAD operation and have to leave these guys on the bench, and there's no way we can risk them in an environment where they get shot at. The Aardvarks really only have one attraction over the other guided bombers we have coming out of every orifice and that's the Deep Throat. Settle down at the back there. If we need to blow up buried command bunkers, accept no substitutes. Otherwise, accept SPICEs.

quote:

Option #2 : Semper Fi!

4- A-6 - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2327/
2 - MQ-1C - http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2579/
1 - AN/TPS-43 - http://cmano-db.com/facility/146/

This is much more my sort of speed. The A-6s carry a veritable kitchen sink of weaponry including enough stand off guided munitions to make me worry less about their subsonic speed. From memory the Harpoons would be better than any other anti-ship missile we have, more HARMs are always nice and the Skipper is such a kludge of a weapon that I can't help but love it. The surface search radar on the Intruder is decent too. The MQ-1s I could really take or leave now that we have a pair of Reapers, but since they're unmanned I have less of a concern about throwing them away on suicide laser designation missions when it's cloudy.

quote:

Option #1 : Fishbed Ahoy

5 Fencer D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/600/
4 HIND D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2946/
10 F-7A http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3040/
1 Spoon Rest P-18 http://cmano-db.com/facility/1657/

Five Su-24M2s is very tempting indeed. In functionality they're somewhat similar to Intruders except at twice the speed and leaking unidentified fluids all the way. The Hinds are going to be damnably hard to use given the pitiful range of helicopters in pretty much all circumstances, although if Gjader is threatened again the approaching forces will have to do better than some infantry and some battered old MBTs. The F-7As... are probably cheaper than TALDs and about as useful. By Ivanov standards this is a decent offering but nah.

quote:

Option #2 : Leverage

4 Fencer D http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/600/
6 Fulcrum C http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1049/
1 Patty Cake http://cmano-db.com/facility/258/

This is a trap. It looks tempting because you get those Fencers and you also get some scary looking Fulcrums. Nyet. The Fulcrums have terrible strike capability and are worse BVR fighters than the Akefs due to their even lower numbers of horrible mid 80s SARH missiles. We've tested this time and again, SARH can't beat ARH with even vaguely similar ranges in CMANO. Essentially this option is one fewer Fencer than Fishbed Ahoy for no additional utility.

quote:

Option #1 : I'll Be Back

6 Mirage http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3153/
4 Term http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/4241/
1 PS-14 http://cmano-db.com/facility/2124/

God yes. MICA armed fighters that can do a bit of precision bombing (the only ARH missiles we're being offered), sweet sweet Strike Phantoms with a wide variety of standoff kit. This is the one. Can we buy it twice?

quote:

Option #2 : Gote

4 Kurnass http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/135/
8 Jaguar http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3814/
1 Goteborg http://cmano-db.com/ship/75/

The Kurnass are nice and Delilah does look like a fun weapon to play with, I'll definitely try it out during my radar review. However, the Jaguars are really pretty sad for a 2017 aircraft and the Gotebote is eight reasonably good anti ship missiles welded to a boat with all the survivability of a crisp packet full of nitroglycerin. I don't mind trading one of the two radars we'll get in this procurement cycle for a squadron of fast attack boats but I definitely mind trading it for one.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 03:59

slothrop: Dec 7, 2006; Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>; Soiled Meat

Semper Fi and I�ll Be Back seem to be the only realistic choices to me

# ? Sep 20, 2018 05:39

TheDemon: Dec 11, 2006; _{...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.}

FrangibleCover posted:

Can we buy it twice?

That's actually a question I have too. I'd take two of this over any other package, and maybe that accountant guy would like it if we consolidated a bit...

# ? Sep 20, 2018 05:41

wedgekree: Feb 20, 2013

I'll be back and semper fi

# ? Sep 20, 2018 06:16

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

I'll be Back and Semper FI

# ? Sep 20, 2018 06:31

mllaneza: Apr 28, 2007; Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

Gote and Semper Fi

# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:05

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

I'll Be Back & Semper Fi

And just to be clear, I didn't see any way we would get a slice of the Goldman Sachs profits. Just providing a theory about why they're offering it in the first place.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:07

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

Semper Fi and I'll be back

# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:28

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

I'll be back x2

If thats not allowed then

A: *boos loudly*
B: I'll be back and scampi fries

# ? Sep 20, 2018 07:45

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Serious question: which package would pair best with gotes?

# ? Sep 20, 2018 08:08

pinchofginger: Nov 7, 2009; Fallen Rib

Semper Fi and Sunday Football

# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:04

HereticMIND: Nov 4, 2012

RandomPauI posted:

Serious question: which package would pair best with gotes?

Serious answer: Nothing; we have a bote already so stop trying to get more.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:09

Reiterpallasch: Nov 3, 2010; Fun Shoe

I'll be back and a forlorn hope for Fishbed Ahoy

# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:18

PenguinSalsa: Nov 10, 2009

I'll be back and Semper Fi

The only things that the bote have going for it is being cute and a being a bote. (I'm reasonably sure that I've been aboard that bote or at least one of the same class. They're neat but not useful to us.)

# ? Sep 20, 2018 10:19

ForeverBWFC: Oct 19, 2011; Oh, the lads! You should've seen 'em running!
Ask 'em why and they reply the Bolton Boys are coming! All the lads and lasses, smiles upon their faces,

WALKING DOWN THE MANNY ROAD, TO SEE THE BURNDEN ACES!

I'll be Back and Semper FI

# ? Sep 20, 2018 11:34

Dreamsicle: Oct 16, 2013

Semper Fi x2

If not allowed Semper Fi and I'll be back

# ? Sep 20, 2018 12:20

FrangibleCover: Jan 23, 2018; Nothing going on in my quiet corner of the Pacific.

This is the life. I'm just lying here in my hammock in Townsville, sipping a G&T.

Quick rundown of the radars:

AN/TPS-73 - Reasonably modern, although not as modern as our Master or the Long White search unit on our Sky Bow. A decent 3D air search radar, but we don't need one.

AN/TPS-43E - Almost exactly the same as the TPS-73 except less modern and therefore more susceptible to jamming. Still okay.

Spoon Rest P-18 - Old and bad 2D radar, probably more useful as SEAD bait than a radar given that these things are traditionally attached to SAM batteries.

Patty Cake HF - Genuinely horrible Height Finder radar. Technically synergises with any of the 2D radars to produce a whole 3D system. Practically does not.

PS-14 - Near useless 2D radar, highly susceptible to modern jamming.

Goteborg class bote - Honestly looking at the other non-aircraft assets on offer my opinion on the Goteborg has softened a little. It has eight good missiles and little else to recommend to it, but that's eight more missiles than these useless radars get us. It also has a late 80s ELINT suite with a rated 800nmi range, which is nearly as good as Tokyo Bay Fortress's early 90s ELINT suite. It will be sunk, it will not put up much of a fight when it does sink, it'll still be more useful to us as an offensive, go getting air wing than another radar to sit at home and irradiate any Albanian shepherd stupid enough to skyline himself.

Anyway, votes are I'll be back and actually Gote. Gote is the only package where I can see the utility of every option we're being offered. The Kurnasses are good stand-off strike planes, the Jaguars are mediocre LGB platforms but we get six of them so we can afford to play a little fast and loose with them and the Goteborg herself, for the reasons enumerated above, is a surprisingly good buy.

Semper Fi and Fishbeds Ahoy are also both good options if you prefer to think in terms of buying the headline choice and then accepting that it's going to come with some crap.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 12:36

TheDemon: Dec 11, 2006; _{...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.}

FrangibleCover posted:

our Master

I'm sorry to inform you, but the Groundmaster is dead.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:00

FrangibleCover: Jan 23, 2018; Nothing going on in my quiet corner of the Pacific.

This is the life. I'm just lying here in my hammock in Townsville, sipping a G&T.

TheDemon posted:

I'm sorry to inform you, but the Groundmaster is dead.

Balls, forgot that. That changes the calculations a little but honestly what it changes the towards is Semper Fi, so I'm okay with being the dissenting voice.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:32

Saros: Dec 29, 2009; Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Semper Fi and Ill be back.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:42

Yooper: Apr 30, 2012

Quinntan posted:

Genuine question: do we have to buy anything?

We can pass and go to 3DP acquisition but the suppliers won't put forth another set of packages until another lull. (3 Missions or so, maybe 5)

# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:46

Gervasius: Nov 2, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Ill be back. and if needed, Semper Fi.

Those Moroccan Mirages are baby Gripens with both ARH AAMs and SDB-equivalents, really an opportunity we cannot miss.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:02

Dance Officer: May 4, 2017; It would be awesome if we could dance!

I'll be back and Sunday Football

# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:11

Mr Crustacean: May 13, 2009; one (1) robosexual
avatar, as ordered

I'll be back

# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:12

glynnenstein: Feb 18, 2014

Oh poo poo, A-6s. And Fencers! A boooooooooooote.

I love me some botes, but I'm hoping we can arrange a more naval-centric purchase later. For now, Semper Fi! and Fishbed Ahoy gets some cool rear end planes.

I am here for the cool rear end planes.

And botes.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:21

Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

I'll be back and Semper Fi

# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:55

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Yooper: Apr 30, 2012

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Vote early.

Vote often.

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