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Pick posted:Only if Avatar is.
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Sep 19, 2018 19:46
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Season 5 wasn't my favorite season. The Bojack plot didn't go as in depth with the painkillers addition as other season's have gone into his alcoholism and depression, instead it seemed pretty surface level. I thought the continuing fallout of what happened with Charlotte and Penny was handled in a weird way. Especially when the point is made multiple times across multiple episodes that the parallels between Philbert and Bojack are being mostly misinterpreted by Bojack. And then we get a scene where it's specifically being done by Diane to get back at Bojack. And they don't do much else with it. I suppose it has to do with the season's theme of the myth of accountability but I dunno, they seemed to hint that it was going to be more of a thing. As for the good, the Diane and Princess Caroline centric episodes were good but didn't reach the same level of impact as something like "Ruthie" for side character stories. I'm glad they got rid of Todd's girlfriend, who just never came across as likable. There was less overall "they're animals!" jokes, which I've always thought was the weakest humor in the show. And the eulogy episode was neat.
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Sep 19, 2018 20:24
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Re: conflicting representation of "Philbert" - I took it the same way the show portrays what Horsin' Around was. In-universe, Horsin' Around was a typical wholesome 90's feelgood sitcom, but that isn't entertaining to viewers of BoJack Horseman, so they spice it up by making it a parody of those shows. "Philbert" is supposed to be a show that follows all the hallmarks of prestige television, that ends up successful in spite of itself and Flip and largely thanks to BoJack, MPB. and Dianne. But just like Horsin' Around, it's more entertaining to portray it as a parody to us, the viewers.
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Sep 19, 2018 21:05
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yeah, i think there is a disconnect between what philbert is supposed to be, and how it is regarded, in the bojack universe versus how it comes across to the audience of the show bojack horseman. the same is true of the music video for "kill that fetus"
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Sep 19, 2018 22:11
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Completely absurd, terrible media products enjoying an unlikely amount of success has been a low-level gag in Bojack since forever. Philbert is just continuing that trend.
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Sep 19, 2018 22:54
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Like, Bojack's last project, Secretariat, was also a completely terrible joke from everything we saw of it, yet it released to rave reviews and made Bojack more famous than ever. It's funny!
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Sep 19, 2018 22:57
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luxury handset posted:yeah, i think there is a disconnect between what philbert is supposed to be, and how it is regarded, in the bojack universe versus how it comes across to the audience of the show bojack horseman. the same is true of the music video for "kill that fetus" The name "Sextina Aquafina" never stops being funny to me.
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Sep 19, 2018 22:57
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Android Blues posted:Like, Bojack's last project, Secretariat, was also a completely terrible joke from everything we saw of it, yet it released to rave reviews and made Bojack more famous than ever. It's funny! Maybe it's a commentary on the movie/TV business, where things seem different from the inside and the outside. You read behind-the-scenes stories of huge movies like Star Wars or the Godfather, and it can sound like they were garbage fires, but they turned out great on the screen.
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Sep 19, 2018 22:59
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I’ve actually been waiting for the ep where they show the amazing power of a good editor
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Sep 19, 2018 23:03
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I wonder if Season Six will involve the inevitable Horsin' Around reboot for Bojack universe's version of Netflix.
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Sep 19, 2018 23:03
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I'm pretty sure Ethan Around was supposed to be their riff on Fuller House and suchlike.
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Sep 19, 2018 23:09
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One of my absolute favourite one-off gags is when they had Vincent D'Onofrio as the original star of what ended up as Mr. Peanutbutter's House
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Sep 20, 2018 00:05
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And they used most of the Netflix jokes with WhatTimeIsItNow.com already, so I think that well is tapped out.
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Sep 20, 2018 00:06
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Jason Sextro posted:One of my absolute favourite one-off gags is when they had Vincent D'Onofrio as the original star of what ended up as Mr. Peanutbutter's House "I'm too rad to be a dad..."
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Sep 20, 2018 00:07
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Season 5 was good, but I didn't think it was as good as most of the other ones. It certainly didn't have a low point, but I never felt any of it hit as hard as in prior seasons. The wishy washy backtracking, stagnation of the character arcs we've seen is a little tedious at this point. I get the dynamic of Bojack & Diane's issues was framed differently, but I dunno didn't stick the landing as well to me. If anything this season was a bit just ickier if thats possible with some of its moments than prior ones (end of Ep 7 and 11). I'm still waiting for all of his substance abuse to finish him off, I thought almost that in his pain killer haze the white light was that, but nope just him coming face to face with his disassociation from reality. Everyone this season more or less sees him (including himself) as a big caricature to float above everyone (because they put him there) but lacking any real purpose or direction beyond where the wind seems to blow him. I think that's why he just doesn't get it, he frequently perceives himself to have 0 agency, just a victim at the mercy of the gears of whatever it is he's caught up in. Really liked the art direction, Todd was real good this season too. PC is a total disaster. "My life will really calm down once I have this baby" "That must be why every new mother is so well rested" That was one of the best lines all season.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:11
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like the show has slipped a little on what exactly philbert or flip is in universe. For me the thing that didn't make sense was that they had the show becoming popular while they were still filming the first season. No show these days actually starts airing episodes while they're still filming.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:41
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I get the feeling Birthday Dad might be the next big clusterfuck production. Princess Caroline probably does need to realise there's a point where she has better things to do than keep incredibly ill-advised productions alive through the sheer power of bullshit.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:46
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Birthday Dad sounds like more fun to watch than Philbert. Maybe it can be like Boss Baby and turn out weirdly entertaining.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:47
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Entropic posted:For me the thing that didn't make sense was that they had the show becoming popular while they were still filming the first season. No show these days actually starts airing episodes while they're still filming.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:58
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Watched through the 5th season and although I thought it was fine, in relation to the other seasons, I realized that I just can’t stand any of these characters anymore except for maybe Princess Carolyn. They’re all just so loving unlikeable and I know that’s the point, but it’s just not really enjoyable to watch anymore for me personally.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:58
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DoubleCakes posted:"I'm too rad to be a dad..." "They don't teach 'likeability' at the American Stanislavsky Theatre!"
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Sep 20, 2018 02:59
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SeANMcBAY posted:Watched through the 5th season and although I thought it was fine, in relation to the other seasons, I realized that I just can’t stand any of these characters anymore except for maybe Princess Carolyn. They’re all just so loving unlikeable and I know that’s the point, but it’s just not really enjoyable to watch anymore for me personally. It is hard. And Gina's not strong enough to pull it up like Wanda or Hollyhock. Diane was a complete disaster when Wanda was around, but Wanda kept the flipside.
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Sep 20, 2018 02:59
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Watching terrible things happen to terrible people will never not be hilarious 
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Sep 20, 2018 03:06
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Straight White Shark posted:Watching terrible things happen to terrible people will never not be hilarious You're right, I've been looking at this all wrong.
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Sep 20, 2018 03:14
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Straight White Shark posted:Watching terrible things happen to terrible people will never not be hilarious It’s not really played to be comedic though most of the time. It’s just getting frustrating to watch.
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Sep 20, 2018 04:52
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I think the sex robot was my favorite bit of the season, and I mean, I always like silly Todd shenanigans, but they're usually fourth or fifth after some really compelling episodes, not the main course.
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Sep 20, 2018 04:55
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I love how in the flashback, when PC's mom gives her the necklace, she very clearly pulls the "its from the old country!" out of her rear end, but PC is so touched by the gesture she doesn't notice it.
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Sep 20, 2018 05:06
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This season had a lot of interesting flashbacks. I especially liked the Halloween episode which shows Todd first moving in with Bojack although it was weird that Diane met Bojack in that episode all the way back in 2009. She probably wouldn't have remembered that when they met in S1E1.
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Sep 20, 2018 05:20
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Diane growing up with Horsin' Around and using it to escape her terrible home life is obviously a detail they decided on well after season 1. Diane was a very different character back then, more of a contrast to Bojack rather than a parallel.
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Sep 20, 2018 05:49
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It's really weird to me that S5 has undercut a lot of scenes I liked in earlier seasons. One of my favorites being in Season 1, in the first episode with Sarah-Lynne, where she and Bojack have a talk on the bench and Bojack starts imagining "the credits" and emulating them with his fingers. The show makes it really clear that this is demented, because they're all people, living people, and they're not metaphors and there aren't lessons. Only, now everything is pretty much explicitly allegorical and that's a huge shift for the entire way the show is written.
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Sep 20, 2018 08:00
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Pick posted:Birthday Dad sounds like more fun to watch than Philbert. Maybe it can be like Boss Baby and turn out weirdly entertaining. Birthday Dad is bound to end up directed by someone like Guillermo del Toro or Christopher Nolan and turn into a super high concept art movie or at least a blockbuster action movie. What else could it be?
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Sep 20, 2018 08:44
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Birthday Dad is bound to end up directed by someone like Guillermo del Toro or Christopher Nolan and turn into a super high concept art movie or at least a blockbuster action movie. What else could it be? I was picturing a The Pacifier style comedy action movie, but likely going through a number of completely different incarnations as production is the usual clusterfuck.
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Sep 20, 2018 08:51
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Pick posted:The show makes it really clear that this is demented, because they're all people, living people, and they're not metaphors and there aren't lessons. Only, now everything is pretty much explicitly allegorical and that's a huge shift for the entire way the show is written. I completely disagree. If anything this season pulled away all the allegories and analyzed Bojack's more demented and comedic actions as if they were real, which is why things got so ugly. Philbert, or rather the perception of Philbert, was an allegory for the show itself and other shows like it, sure, but none of the characters acted allegorically. This season basically reminded the audience that if Bojack was a real person, you would hate him. And there's nothing realer than that.
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Sep 20, 2018 10:58
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I can't be bothered to check but is this season the first time they've done alternate versions of the end theme? The spooky halloween theme was a favorite of mine.
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They did one for The Bojack Horseman Show in season 3 and one about Mister Peanutbutter's House in S4, but I think this is the first season they've done instrumental variations on it.
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