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SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

aphid_licker posted:

How many musket balls would you need to put in there to get anything resembling protection??

Well you wouldn't have to go crazy with the braids. They are already wearing head gear too which from certain angles can blunt an attack a few times. Best defense though for a Hussar is to always be moving like a shark.

If you want a number I'm going to pull one out my butt though. I've never braided or had long hair but maybe six on each side of the forehead?

# ? Sep 20, 2018 13:18

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# ? May 25, 2024 02:35

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

It's not to protect them from getting shot, it's to protect them from a weak sword cut up around the face or from the sides. The shot is to sure that your braid, which is the main protection, hangs consistently low when you are moving around. You're going to get hosed up if someone can put their whole weight behind the blow, but that doesn't always happen and the braid can help lessen it.

The French wore pairs of braids called cadenettes, usually one ahead of the ear and one behind down the length of the epaulette. Alternately, one at each temple and a traditional longer queue down the back. They're named after the village of Cadenet, since the Duke of Lunyes brother and lord of Cadenet popularized the style - although being an aristocrat, he weighted his with jewelry. Originally a cavalry thing but expanded to other units as well, especially grenadiers and horse artillery. Supposedly the last unit gave them up sometime during the Second Empire. The Hussars would sometimes punch them up by braiding in horsehair to add mass to them. I think it was more of a style thing that later on was found to occasionally have practical application.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 14:15

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

isn't there a pair of hussar pigtails in the duellists?

# ? Sep 20, 2018 15:01

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

SeanBeansShako posted:

Also the late 18th century tradition of Hussars weaving musket balls into their braids to make some low tech saber protection.

I'm picturing the chain armor on a Merkava...

# ? Sep 20, 2018 15:06

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

Communism > most video games imho

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:00

Ensign Expendable: Nov 11, 2008; Lager beer is proof that god loves us; Pillbug

Cyrano4747 posted:

Goddamn, just put DC:B on my steam wish list and saw this neagative review:

loving lol

Stairmaster posted:

Communism > most video games imho

All video games except Papers Please, to which it is equivalent.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:13

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

HEY GUNS posted:

isn't there a pair of hussar pigtails in the duellists?

yes, most of the guys have cadenettes

the duellists is great

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:14

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Fantastic soundtrack too.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:27

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

hot take: ridley scott was all downhill from there

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:37

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

The scale:

Sonic 3&knuckles > communism > Sonic mania

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:43

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

hot take: ridley scott was all downhill from there

same tbh

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:43

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

yes, most of the guys have cadenettes

i should find some bullets and grow some

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:44

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Supposedly the last unit gave them up sometime during the Second Empire.

I love how sometimes they changed something with regulations and these changes were either 'lost' or 'forgotten' because they clashed with both practicality while on campaign and regimental tradition.

Then there was the time where the Napoleonic French experimented with white uniforms, which of course had mixed results.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 16:49

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Lots of formations had a whole lot of white in the Napoleonic wars. I often wonder how it worked in practice. Several French cavalry regiments had white greatcoats, for instance.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 17:24

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

HEY GUNS posted:

i should find some bullets and grow some

it's not the right era i think, although the name cadenette dates from sometime in the mid 17th century so assuredly the things were around before Honore d'Albert popularized them

# ? Sep 20, 2018 17:25

Solaris 2.0: May 14, 2008

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Sooooo on a whole different topic what was the Iraqi analysis of the military situation facing them in the lead up to the Iraq War? I know prior to the Gulf War that Saddam was really confident that he could successfully fight the US and he had plenty of reasons that appeared on paper to be legitimate. But I assume he must have known in 2003 that he was completely and utterly hosed right?

I remember reading somewhere (I forgot where, this was like 5 years after the invasion, maybe The Economist or Foreign Affairs) that Saddam believed right up until the bombs started falling that the U.S. was bluffing. That they wouldn't actually invade and would, at worse, take complete control of the skies, toss a few cruize missiles, and call it a day like what happened a few times in the 90s.
There was an analysis that if Saddam was really, truly concerned with an invasion there were a number of things he could have done to prepare, but didn't. He didn't defensively deploy the Republican Guard in any capacity until it was too late. He also didn't try launching any SCUD or missile attacks on the coalition staging areas, which could have done a lot of damage.

Basically, Saddam didn't think Bush/Blair were actually stupid enough to launch a full scale war to remove him.

If I'm wrong, please correct me as I find the whole lead up to the Iraq invasion fascinating and I'm going entirely off of memory of contemporary articles I read.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 17:28

ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

SeanBeansShako posted:

Also the late 18th century tradition of Hussars weaving musket balls into their braids to make some low tech saber protection. Somehow records show some Hussars escalated this by using coinage which doubled as emergency currency.

Hah, hadn't heard of those before

. I have some vague recollections from Sharpe books that the French Dragoons had double pigtails. Was their function the same? I couldn't find a pic of them, but here's one of the cadenettes:

# ? Sep 20, 2018 17:30

ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

SeanBeansShako posted:

Also the late 18th century tradition of Hussars weaving musket balls into their braids to make some low tech saber protection. Somehow records show some Hussars escalated this by using coinage which doubled as emergency currency.

Kinda like the various coin armours:

# ? Sep 20, 2018 17:36

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Lots of formations had a whole lot of white in the Napoleonic wars. I often wonder how it worked in practice. Several French cavalry regiments had white greatcoats, for instance.

C.f., the Austrians:

# ? Sep 20, 2018 17:56

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

Solaris 2.0 posted:

I remember reading somewhere (I forgot where, this was like 5 years after the invasion, maybe The Economist or Foreign Affairs) that Saddam believed right up until the bombs started falling that the U.S. was bluffing. That they wouldn't actually invade and would, at worse, take complete control of the skies, toss a few cruize missiles, and call it a day like what happened a few times in the 90s.
There was an analysis that if Saddam was really, truly concerned with an invasion there were a number of things he could have done to prepare, but didn't. He didn't defensively deploy the Republican Guard in any capacity until it was too late. He also didn't try launching any SCUD or missile attacks on the coalition staging areas, which could have done a lot of damage.

Basically, Saddam didn't think Bush/Blair were actually stupid enough to launch a full scale war to remove him.

If I'm wrong, please correct me as I find the whole lead up to the Iraq invasion fascinating and I'm going entirely off of memory of contemporary articles I read.

Just read this: http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA446305

quote:

Abstract : Iraq's response to the Coalition's military threat was dictated by the nature of the regime and of Saddam Hussein himself. While to Western eyes the choices Iraq made may appear dysfunctional or even absurd, the regime's responses to the threat and then the invasion were logical within the Iraqi political framework, even if later proven to be counterproductive. Saddam may have been, to a large extent, ignorant of the external world; he was, however, a student of his own nation's history and culture. Thus, the Iraqi response to threats and the invasion of Coalition forces was a function of how Saddam and his minions understood their own world, a world that looked nothing like the assessments of Western analysts. As the massive buildup of coalition forces proceeded in 2002 and early 2003, two major assumptions governed Saddam's preparations. The first assumption was that the greatest danger the regime faced was an internal coup. In fact, Iraq's national history is littered with military coup attempts with one following another in dreary progression. Even Saddam's Ba'ath Party saw its first try at seizing power in the early 1960's collapse under the hammer blow of a military coup that overthrew the first efforts of the Ba'ath party to mold Iraq in accordance with its ideology. In response to the catastrophic defeat of Arab armies by Israel in the Six Day War, another military coup ushered the Ba'ath return to power on July 17, 1968, with Saddam as one of its leading players. Saddam and his colleagues were determined that this time the military would not overthrow their new Ba'ath regime, and created a multitude of secret police organizations to ensure the unswerving loyalty of the population. These secret agencies immediately proceeded to infiltrate the military in order to ensure its loyalty.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 19:03

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

I liked their old leather helmets before they updated to shako.

But I imagine the white uniforms/greatcoats one advantage was eventually becoming so dirty and faded they just blend in naturally with the landscape. Which no doubt ruined the parade ground effect for the aesthetics over function crowd.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 19:24

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

SeanBeansShako posted:

I liked their old leather helmets before they updated to shako.

Same.

My main Napoleonic wargame army is Russians, but those Austrians tempt me...

quote:

But I imagine the white uniforms/greatcoats one advantage was eventually becoming so dirty and faded they just blend in naturally with the landscape. Which no doubt ruined the parade ground effect for the aesthetics over function crowd.

Is it possible that they just bleached them en masse? Like, everyone just pile up their uniforms and bleach them once per month?

A quick googling shows that this technology was available at the time.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 19:48

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

I imagine they did but I expect it was a bit of a pain in the arse to do in the middle of Germany or Poland now.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 19:52

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

SeanBeansShako posted:

I imagine they did but I expect it was a bit of a pain in the arse to do in the middle of Germany or Poland now.

Force the local peasants to do it at gunpoint, obviously.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 20:02

Clarence: May 3, 2012

13th KRRC War Diary, 15th September 1918 posted:

The Battalion remained in Brigade Support as before.
On the night 15th/16th the 10th R.Fus were relieved by 1/1st HERTS and withdrew to support. Prior to the relief the 10th R.Fus. handed over part of their line to the Battalion on their right (13th R.Fus) and extended their line to the left taking over part of the front of the 62nd Division. Orders were received that the Battalion would be relieved. A subsequent order postponed our relief until the following day.

13th KRRC War Diary, 16th September 1918 posted:

On the afternoon of the 16th the Battalion were relieved in Brigade Support by the 4th MIDDLESEX and withdrew to Brigade in reserve for the Division in the VELU-LEBUQUIERE area. The relief was carried out by Companies and on relief Companies moved independently to the new area. Relief was completed by 6-30 p.m. and by 8=30 p.m. all Companies were in position on the area around VELU CHATEAU.
At 9-30 p.m. this area was shelled with H.V. shells one of which secured a direct hit on a shelter occupied by the Officers of A. Company. 2/Lt.NICHOLSON being killed outright while 2/Lt. WALTON was severely wounded and died next morning. The shelling was repeated at intervals but no further casualties occurred.

13th KRRC War Diary, 17th September 1918 posted:

The morning was devoted to cleaning. It was decided to move the Battalion to the BEUGNY area - still remaining as part of the Brigade in reserve. The Battalion moved off at 5-30 p.m. and reached the new area about an hour later. Battalion Headquarters were located on the S. side of the BAPAUME Road near the west end of the village.
The Commanding Officer and Company Commanders attended a conference at Brigade Headquarters where the G.O.C. discussed the recent operations.

13th KRRC War Diary, 18th September 1918 posted:

The early part of the day was devoted to re-organisation and to make preparations for refitting the Battalion and replacing losses in equipment etc., At 4 p.m. a warning order was received placing the Battalion on half an hour's notice to move, in accordance with the pre-arranged defence scheme under which the part allotted to the 111th Infantry Brigade was to occupy the Corps line of resistance with the Battalion in Support disposed in depth in J.26 (57.c.NW) i.e., the area just east of the village. At 6 p.m. move in accordance with the above was ordered, and immediately put into execution. The Battalion moved off by Companies. At 7 p.m. the Battalion was reported in position. These dispositions were maintained by the Battalion thoughout the night 18th/19th but the 13th Rifle Brigade withdrew in the evening.
The night passed without incident but with much discomfort to all ranks of the Battalion.

13th KRRC War Diary, 19th September 1918 posted:

At 8 a.m. orders were received to return to the BEUGNY Area and Companies marched back to their former quarters independently. At 7 p.m. the Battalion was ordered to send billeting parties to the LE BARQUE Area in anticipation of a move on the 20th inst.
Lt. D.GWYTHER MOORE with usual billeting parties proceeded to the LE BARQUE Area to carry our this duty. No working parties took place throughout the day. Brigade Operation Orders for the above projected move were received at 10 p.m. and consequent operation orders were issues to Companies etc., at 11 p.m.

13th KRRC War Diary, 20th September 1918 posted:

The Battalion moved from BEUGNY to LE BARQUE (Right Reserve Divisional Area). The Battalion paraded at 1-15 p.m. and at 1-30 p.m. moved off moving by the BAPAUME - ARRAS Road, passing thro' FREMICOURT and BAPAUME and thence by the BAPAUME - ALBERT Road for about two miles finally leaving it by a cross country track leading into LE BARQUE. En route the Battalion passed the 1/5th Battn. MANCHESTER Regt who were relieving us. LE BARQUE was reached about 3-30 p.m. and by 4 p.m. the occupation of the area by all Companies had been completed.

Apologies for the delay. A family illness meant there were other priorities.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 20:59

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

Apropos of nothing in particular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_3DgW_7mg

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:03

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Stairmaster posted:

The scale:

Sonic 3&knuckles > communism > Sonic mania

Go visit the Deviant Art thread and you�ll reassess your opinion of Sonic real goddamned fast.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:03

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

And:

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:15

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Didn't some sort of cavalry of that period have coils of rope wrapped around one of their arms, I think their off one, to help with the occasional saber swing

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:15

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

SeanBeansShako posted:

Well you wouldn't have to go crazy with the braids. They are already wearing head gear too which from certain angles can blunt an attack a few times. Best defense though for a Hussar is to always be moving like a shark.

If you want a number I'm going to pull one out my butt though. I've never braided or had long hair but maybe six on each side of the forehead?

Ah I thought it was full helmetlike coverage and could not see how that would have worked out.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:18

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyyGHHXfck

Imagine seeing this in a theater in 1957. Are there comparable battle scenes in Hollywood movies that predate this one?

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:42

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

zoux posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyyGHHXfck

Imagine seeing this in a theater in 1957. Are there comparable battle scenes in Hollywood movies that predate this one?

From 1930:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHuNQER_8rI

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:46

Solaris 2.0: May 14, 2008

Alchenar posted:

Just read this: http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA446305

So like every other tin-pit dictator Saddam was always more concerned with internal enemies (real or otherwise) than the external. Makes sense.

To be fair, I doubt there was much he could have done to blunt (even for a few weeks) a determined U.S. led invasion anyway. Certainly not with his 2003-era ramshackle of an army.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:53

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Cessna posted:

From 1930:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHuNQER_8rI

Whoa the dude that grabs the wire and then BOOM just hands. Surprised you could be that graphic in 1930. This is also right after movies start having sound, I imagine the constant barrage of explosions and gunfire would've been really impactful to a 1930's era film goer.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:55

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

zoux posted:

Whoa the dude that grabs the wire and then BOOM just hands. Surprised you could be that graphic in 1930.

They were more graphic before the invention of ratings and the movies code, iirc

# ? Sep 20, 2018 21:59

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

zoux posted:

Whoa the dude that grabs the wire and then BOOM just hands. Surprised you could be that graphic in 1930. This is also right after movies start having sound, I imagine the constant barrage of explosions and gunfire would've been really impactful to a 1930's era film goer.

Consider - that movie came out 12 years after the war ended.

I can't help but wonder how many veterans saw it in the theater, and how they reacted.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 22:02

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HEY GUNS posted:

They were more graphic before the invention of ratings and the movies code, iirc

This. Until the Hays Code, which was created in 1930 and started being taken seriously in 1934, there were few standards on movie content as long as it was not outright pornographic. There were several Hollywood scanadals in the '20s that lead Congress to consider instituting a formal censorship board (a 1915 Supreme Court decision exempted films from First Amendment protection on the grounds they were a "purely commercial" venture, this was overturned in 1952), so the studios adopted a fairly draconian self-censorship system in order to avoid the government stepping in.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 22:05

Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

Cessna posted:

Apropos of nothing in particular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_3DgW_7mg

Dumb as I sound, this reminded me of my dad so hard that I cried

# ? Sep 20, 2018 22:07

Rockopolis: Dec 21, 2012; I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird

Did Bush or Blair play video games? Or Saddam? Did Kennedy watch war movies?
I think Mohammad bin Salman has a Twitch stream or something, but that's about it.

I just had the depressing thought that video games pro/anti war message do not matter because nobody that decides to start a war plays them.
Hell, not like you can do anything about the next war, so you might as well not feel lovely about it. Like taking an opiate before getting a rotting limb chopped off.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 22:16

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# ? May 25, 2024 02:35

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Rockopolis posted:

Did Bush or Blair play video games? Or Saddam? Did Kennedy watch war movies?
I think Mohammad bin Salman has a Twitch stream or something, but that's about it.

I just had the depressing thought that video games pro/anti war message do not matter because nobody that decides to start a war plays them.
Hell, not like you can do anything about the next war, so you might as well not feel lovely about it. Like taking an opiate before getting a rotting limb chopped off.

Bin Laden played bootleg rom hacks.

# ? Sep 20, 2018 22:17

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