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lol my apt is offering free breakfast to be a scab against the leasers union
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Horseshoe theory posted:Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job is it really that michael brown
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today i ascended
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:today i ascended 
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:pubg is better than fortnite but enough about your management brainworms
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ArfJason posted:Big rear end.
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after putting much thought into it i think i prefer much more season 1 american vandal's kind of critique of true crime over season 2's more high minded commentary on teens and social media (Also the crime in s2 was way more serious they might as well have just gone with the murder at that rate tbh)
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the whole toad thing has definitely been a poo poo show
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Aids.
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We all know there’s such a thing as an extreme teen bible, but has anyone done an Extreme Teen Torah?
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Pirate Radar posted:We all know there’s such a thing as an extreme teen bible, but has anyone done an Extreme Teen Torah? Update: yes, yes they have https://reformjudaism.org/learning/torah-study/va-eira/va-eira-teens-shabbat-sha-raps
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 can't wait to vote for these beautiful boys ! https://www.birdoftheyear.org.nz/
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I really hope this doesn't start a poo poo storm, please realize this post is in good faith. There was a gassed thread "Get hosed White Supremacists" which was rightfully gassed because it turned into a total poo poo show. However one of the first posts was someone posting the  smiley. As far as I'm concerned Nazis, white supremacists, alt right, racists... can all get hosed with a rusty piece of rebar. However I've always respected groups like the ACLU because they go to bat for the right of free speech, even if it's completely contrary to the message of the group because it's what the constitution stands for. I forget where I read it, but it's "freedom of speech" not "freedom of speech that you agree with". I guess I just have an issue with people completely shutting down anyone who doesn't support their viewpoint. The New Yorker pulling Bannon from that festival I think was a misstep because you could have actually had him have a good debate and be forced to explain his horrid views, instead by cancelling his invitation you just handed that alcoholic nazi a win. I think my issue with it is while it seems that the "outrage" that is shutting things down seems to be favoring the left for right now, what happens if the pendulum swings the other way?
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AFewBricksShy posted:I really hope this doesn't start a poo poo storm, please realize this post is in good faith. lmao
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AFewBricksShy posted:I really hope this doesn't start a poo poo storm, please realize this post is in good faith. idk how you can look at the last couple of decades and think that it's the right wing's free speech that is under attack. your entire premise is flawed because it's a conservative argument to get people to hear them out so they can keep airing their horrible views everywhere in national media and getting converts
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Didn't the ACLU revise its mission statement to exempt nazis/hate speech from any support usually provided by the organization? Edit: Noooo, Pirate Radar. What happened to your majestic Bird avatar. 
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Somebody posted this in another thread: And I said something like “I wanna be Sexx Tricker” And some anonymous soul made it so
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the paradigm shift posted:idk how you can look at the last couple of decades and think that it's the right wing's free speech that is under attack. your entire premise is flawed because it's a conservative argument to get people to hear them out so they can keep airing their horrible views everywhere in national media and getting converts I get where you're coming from, and I'm trying to come up with a coherent response. I think most rational people can agree that people spouting racist bullshit can get hosed. I also think that if a college deems that a speaker is going to be spouting horrible bullshit, they shouldn't invite him or her. I think my issue is that once the invitation is sent and people get pissed off, instead of rescinding the invitation, make them fight for it. Get someone from the opposing viewpoint and let them debate. If you just shut down the event, aren't you just allowing that person to pretty much claim victory? "They couldn't figure out a way to prove I'm wrong, so they just cancelled". Prior to social media existing I don't think it would have been an issue, but now that people can enclose themselves in a bubble of people who think the same way, they can just continue to spout their beliefs without getting challenged at all. On the other hand, is just by debating them legitimizing their viewpoints? Pirate Radar posted:Source your quotes Randler posted:Didn't the ACLU revise its mission statement to exempt nazis/hate speech from any support usually provided by the organization? quote:Second, and more directly related to the events of this weekend, there are important reasons for our long history of defending freedom of speech — including speech we abhor. We fundamentally believe that our democracy will be better and stronger for engaging and hearing divergent views. Racism and bigotry will not be eradicated if we merely force them underground. Equality and justice will only be achieved if society looks such bigotry squarely in the eyes and renounces it. Not all speech is morally equivalent, but the airing of hateful speech allows people of good will to confront the implications of such speech and reject bigotry, discrimination and hate. This contestation of values can only happen if the exchange of ideas is out in the open. This quote exactly encapsulates the way that I feel. I'm just too much of a loving dolt to word it properly.
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AFewBricksShy posted:I guess I just have an issue with people completely shutting down anyone who doesn't support their viewpoint. The New Yorker pulling Bannon from that festival I think was a misstep because you could have actually had him have a good debate and be forced to explain his horrid views, instead by cancelling his invitation you just handed that alcoholic nazi a win. like I don't feel like advocating for, say, healthcare is in danger if we stop giving such racial supremacists platforms.
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The ACLU is why we have Sean hannity and those hate mongers so you have your ideal status quo mate
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I thought about Avs the other day because my student was reading a book about a little girl who explores an enchanted forest and learns how to conserve the wonderful creatures living there, and one of the magical animals she meets is a talking horse named Leonard.
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I'm not sure what this means. I do appreciate your response above though. Submarine Sandpaper posted:The ACLU is why we have Sean hannity and those hate mongers so you have your ideal status quo mate Sean Hannity is a gently caress stick, but that is exactly why I like the ACLU. Again, I'm not arguing in bad faith. I'm not some secret right winger that's going to say "gotcha" or something. I'm just trying to figure out why debating lovely viewpoints is worse. treasured8elief posted:I absolutely disagree, giving vile views a platform like p much never leads to a such a debate you want.
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AFewBricksShy posted:This is what I'm interested in. It's been a long time since I've been to any talks or speeches, but is there a reason it wouldn't be successful?
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our national tv network has this one show where they do some deep takes on various issues, really the only (investigative) journalism in belgium at this point. they've done shows on various topics, but a couple of weeks ago they did one on schild en vrienden, an essentially fascist but until then just perceived as being identarian right youth organisation (perceived by the public, everyone in leftist organisations or in student circles knew this already) that loved to send death threats, stockpile guns, harass people, share racist/sexist/etc memes and praise various fascist regimes. they were astroturfed by some shady groups as well. it was essentially a showcase of just how hosed up they were, stripping away their thin veneer of respectability. it had an effect, resulting in various members of the organisation being kicked out of student representation bodies, as well as party lists for various right wing parties in the coming election. everyone was suitably appalled (took them long enough) but even though it was definitely needed to finally get the powers that be to do something about the fash and as a reaffirmation that this behaviour is not okay, it still netted them 4000+ extra followers on social media (a lot for a youth group in Belgium). acceptable in comparison to the good it did, but there were plenty of articles before that just engaged them as they would engage anyone (and one that came after the outrage, ffs) - and those got them that exposure, that legitimacy, without any positive consequences at all. even if 90% of the public is appalled by the ideas that they spout, open engagement with these groups will give them the exposure to reach the remaining 10%. and once they've grown, gained that legitimacy, they start to push on what's acceptable to the remaining 90% of the public. the only way to deal with these people is to shun them, suppress them, make it clear that everything they do is unacceptable. and maybe the state isn't allowed to do that, but society is.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Why is racism/ethnic cleansing rational? It's not? (In a questioning tone, I'm not saying it is rational). Again, I'm not saying to invite every dipshit and crackpot that has an abhorrent viewpoint to speak. I'm saying that if you did decide to make that invitation, don't rescind it. Why wouldn't Bannon debating David Remnick have been a good thing? Bannon's views are abhorrent, and I don't think Remnick would have just allowed him to spout bullshit without calling him on it. R. Mute posted:our national tv network has this one show where they do some deep takes on various issues, really the only (investigative) journalism in belgium at this point. they've done shows on various topics, but a couple of weeks ago they did one on schild en vrienden, an essentially fascist but until then just perceived as being identarian right youth organisation (perceived by the public, everyone in leftist organisations or in student circles knew this already) that loved to send death threats, stockpile guns, harass people, share racist/sexist/etc memes and praise various fascist regimes. they were astroturfed by some shady groups as well. it was essentially a showcase of just how hosed up they were, stripping away their thin veneer of respectability. it had an effect, resulting in various members of the organisation being kicked out of student representation bodies, as well as party lists for various right wing parties in the coming election. everyone was suitably appalled (took them long enough) Thank you, this actually makes sense.
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AFewBricksShy posted:It's not? (In a questioning tone, I'm not saying it is rational). Bannon cannot lose a debate. What are you going to do, expose him as a racist? His supporters know that already. Expose his arguments as illogical? He’ll just call you a pussy. There’s nothing you could use to damage him that isn’t just... already who he is. The only thing that would sway Bannon’s followers away from him would be if it turned out he secretly whacked it to interracial cuckold porn
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AFewBricksShy posted:It's not? (In a questioning tone, I'm not saying it is rational). /efb
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Pirate Radar posted:Bannon cannot lose a debate. What are you going to do, expose him as a racist? His supporters know that already. Expose his arguments as illogical? He’ll just call you a pussy. There’s nothing you could use to damage him that isn’t just... already who he is. That also makes sense. I've never seen him in a debate. Thanks.
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