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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong
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treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 21, 2018

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mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

AFewBricksShy posted:

I really hope this doesn't start a poo poo storm, please realize this post is in good faith.
There was a gassed thread "Get hosed White Supremacists" which was rightfully gassed because it turned into a total poo poo show.
However one of the first posts was someone posting the :pedophiles: smiley.

As far as I'm concerned Nazis, white supremacists, alt right, racists... can all get hosed with a rusty piece of rebar. However I've always respected groups like the ACLU because they go to bat for the right of free speech, even if it's completely contrary to the message of the group because it's what the constitution stands for. I forget where I read it, but it's "freedom of speech" not "freedom of speech that you agree with".

I guess I just have an issue with people completely shutting down anyone who doesn't support their viewpoint. The New Yorker pulling Bannon from that festival I think was a misstep because you could have actually had him have a good debate and be forced to explain his horrid views, instead by cancelling his invitation you just handed that alcoholic nazi a win.

I think my issue with it is while it seems that the "outrage" that is shutting things down seems to be favoring the left for right now, what happens if the pendulum swings the other way?

Hey dumbass qcs is the forum for posts like this

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill

inspired

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


i would put that on my wall if it were a basset

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

AFewBricksShy posted:


On the other hand, is just by debating them legitimizing their viewpoints?

yeah that's the entire point, and why deplatforming is a thing


the counterargument that oh no you lefties wait until it happens to you is bullshit because that's been going on for nearly a century

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




treasured8elief posted:

like I don't feel like advocating for, say, healthcare is in danger if we stop giving such racial supremacists platforms.

i suspect i get what you mean but i cant parse this phrase

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah from what we've seen the last few decades, there is no such thing as public shaming any more. Any publicity is good publicity. I remember Oprah telling a story about how back in the 90's she brought some white supremacists on her show in the hopes of being able to kind of expose them. Halfway through, she had this moment of "what the gently caress have I done" when she realized that there were white supremacists in the audience cheering on the kkk dudes, and that essentially what she had done was just give them a platform to spread their vile views. It wasn't like they could bring about this light bulb moment where everyone realized that there wasn't any basis to white supremacy. That's not how those sorts of worldviews work. All you can do to combat them is marginalize them as much as possible.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

cinci zoo sniper posted:

i suspect i get what you mean but i cant parse this phrase

Ah, sorry! I meant that as a response to

AFewBricksShy posted:

I think my issue with it is while it seems that the "outrage" that is shutting things down seems to be favoring the left for right now, what happens if the pendulum swings the other way?
And like, we shouldn't worry about 'the pendulum' swinging back to stop us from advocating for things such as healthcare because they're not really comparable like so.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Sep 21, 2018

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




treasured8elief posted:

Ah, sorry! I meant that as a response to

And like, if we stop giving outright monsters platforms we don't actually have to worry about 'the pendulum' swinging back to stop us from advocating for things such as healthcare because the topics are not really comparable like so.

gotcha, right

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Worth mentioning too that a lot of people who really talk up allowing platforms for conspiracy theorists and racists would probably look at late 1920's Germany and say that it was a good example of the system working. The Nazis were allowed a platform and yet they were losing in the court of public opinion.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Pirate Radar posted:


The only thing that would sway Bannon’s followers away from him would be if it turned out he secretly whacked it to interracial cuckold porn

doubtful since im pretty sure the primary audience for interracial cuckold porn is all nazis

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Berke Negri posted:

doubtful since im pretty sure the primary audience for interracial cuckold porn is all nazis

This occurred to me but I think admitting to it is still a faux pas

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


nice av btw

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Berke Negri posted:

nice av btw

Thanks, it was an... early Mid-Autumn Festival present?

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
imagine conflating free speech with a free platform, or thinking the aclu's opinion matters. liberalism is a brain disease lol.

in the words of john paul sartre

quote:

Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018

by Lowtax

Pirate Radar posted:

I thought about Avs the other day because my student was reading a book about a little girl who explores an enchanted forest and learns how to conserve the wonderful creatures living there, and one of the magical animals she meets is a talking horse named Leonard.
:unsmith:

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Pirate Radar posted:

Thanks, it was an... early Mid-Autumn Festival present?

dam is it already nearly time to look at the moon and eat delicious mooncakes

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

also, the best way to debate a nazi is with your fists

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZuayQFD51w

cant get enough of this

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014





Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

stone cold posted:

also, the best way to debate a nazi is with your fists

You couldn't fight your way out of a crowded booth at Denny's

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


that first picture is pretty bad

poor guy is going to hurt his hand punching like that

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Volkerball posted:

You couldn't fight your way out of a crowded booth at Denny's

why would i be in a crowded booth at denny’s

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

stone cold posted:

why would i be in a crowded booth at denny’s

Exactly. You weren't built for this life.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Volkerball posted:

Exactly. You weren't built for this life.

you’re not my dad

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Grand Slam breakfasts are what make warriors of men

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


live every day like the person behind you is just itching for the chance to holler worldstar

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
In Valhalla after they get done with the days glorious combat, they feast on slamburgers, then do it all over again tomorrow.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


yeah man i know i played skyrim too

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014


Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Berke Negri posted:

yeah man i know i played skyrim too

I killed alduin by shouting TWO FOR ONE at him and then skewering him with a corn dog stick and sticking him into a gas station hot dog roller where he cooked until he was dead.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
At least i would've if Bethesda had ever heard of the word immersion

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

stone cold posted:

also, the best way to debate a nazi is with your fists

That's a pretty dumb thing to say. I mean, look at the ER statistics. People break their hands punching all the time. Just get a stick or something. :colbert:

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

stone cold posted:

dam is it already nearly time to look at the moon and eat delicious mooncakes

yeah so it's a three-day weekend but it keeps being bright and clear during the weeks and gray and lovely on the weekends :( I wanted to go hiking.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

I'm curious what happens if coal ash contaminates a pig poo poo lake. Could be a good basis for a Toxic Avenger reboot.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
being an alcoholic gets a lot less romantic when you start balding

suddenly it just seems desperate

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

half way in i was thinking "why the gently caress do they all look the same"

god drat!

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Spergin Morlock posted:

I'm curious what happens if coal ash contaminates a pig poo poo lake. Could be a good basis for a Toxic Avenger reboot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Dtg6S6tCA

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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

stone cold posted:

also, the best way to debate a nazi is with your fists

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