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mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Xik posted:

Humans are garbage. Evolution gave us hands and brains to over-compensate for everything else that is poo poo about us. Even on this planet there are creatures that are better than us at literally every other possible thing.

So we can use our brains and hands to make things and solve our problems with technology, but in a sci-fi setting where everyone is flying around faster than light between systems and can blow up planets our "crowning achievement" is the equivalent of a certificate of participation. Old Man's War is cool, genetically engineered super soldiers, hyper advanced nano technology and consciousness transfer provides us the absolute bare minimum to even attempt to compete out there and it's an enormous uphill battle...

Actually no. Humans are insanely physically resilient. Example: a friend was skiing in Colorado and hit a tree going full speed down hill. Fractured skull, broken ribs, hip, legs, arm, and a ruptured spleen. This level of injury would've killed most large mammals almost instantly, but I couldn't even tell she had ever been injured when I saw her. Humans also have high physical endurance, being evolved from plains pursuit hunters; we can literally walk most quadripeds to death. Finally, our social nature allows humans to act as a super organism of sorts. One human is easy to deal with, ten is MUCH harder, and one million can generate a society that produces nuclear weapons.

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olives black
Nov 24, 2017


LENIN.
STILL.
WON'T.
FUCK.
ME.

mycomancy posted:

Actually no. Humans are insanely physically resilient. Example: a friend was skiing in Colorado and hit a tree going full speed down hill. Fractured skull, broken ribs, hip, legs, arm, and a ruptured spleen. This level of injury would've killed most large mammals almost instantly, but I couldn't even tell she had ever been injured when I saw her. Humans also have high physical endurance, being evolved from plains pursuit hunters; we can literally walk most quadripeds to death. Finally, our social nature allows humans to act as a super organism of sorts. One human is easy to deal with, ten is MUCH harder, and one million can generate a society that produces nuclear weapons.

gently caress i wanna play alpha centauri again

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
I have not actually seen the episode with Mudd, so it may not be completely relevant, but There has been a few times someone would go to London and offer the prostitutes and lower class women a chance to escape London to live in some colony.
I forget the details, but there was one colony that had a horrible M:F ratio, so they brought over a shipload of women. Sure, it's jumping into the unknown, but London was really dirty and nasty and most of them would never had the chance to find anything better.

Heffer
May 1, 2003

Theres a sub reddit called HFY for Humanity gently caress Yeah, and it's all about humans being at the far end of the scale on some metric compared to the rest of the universe. A lot of "what if Mary Sue but everyone" sucking your own collective dick, to be honest, but some of them are pretty interesting. Humans having a metabolism 10x anyone else and eating their neighbors out of house and home. Earths internet being connected to the galaxy and immediately flooding it with spam, scams, and viruses. Humans being the only species with autonomic nervous systems. Humans being the only omnivores to persist until spaceflight.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/wiki/index

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
That community is 100% more trashy and embarrassing than Alien Love Slave or whatever

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Pick posted:

Reddit is 100% more trashy and embarrassing than Alien Love Slave or whatever

Corrected to reflect reality.

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

Johnny Aztec posted:

I have not actually seen the episode with Mudd, so it may not be completely relevant, but There has been a few times someone would go to London and offer the prostitutes and lower class women a chance to escape London to live in some colony.
I forget the details, but there was one colony that had a horrible M:F ratio, so they brought over a shipload of women. Sure, it's jumping into the unknown, but London was really dirty and nasty and most of them would never had the chance to find anything better.

There were a lot of indentured servants. (Read criminal or just poor slave labor. To fill out the colonies.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

mycomancy posted:

Actually no. Humans are insanely physically resilient. Example: a friend was skiing in Colorado and hit a tree going full speed down hill. Fractured skull, broken ribs, hip, legs, arm, and a ruptured spleen. This level of injury would've killed most large mammals almost instantly, but I couldn't even tell she had ever been injured when I saw her. Humans also have high physical endurance, being evolved from plains pursuit hunters; we can literally walk most quadripeds to death. Finally, our social nature allows humans to act as a super organism of sorts. One human is easy to deal with, ten is MUCH harder, and one million can generate a society that produces nuclear weapons.

Another thing is our adaptability. I love the X-Com series because from the alien's perspective, they start off slow because it's a planet full of dumbass monkeys using explosions to propel projectiles at their ships. Within a couple months suddenly we've strapped their technology to our airplanes, and we've pried open enough Sectoids to make our soldiers psionic, and now the humans are robbing dead aliens for plasma cells because we managed to reverse engineer their ground weaponry. By the time they realize how bad they hosed up, 20 flying psychic humans are boot-loving the door to their HQ on a completely different planet and launching remote controlled missiles at everything inside :allears: You can't leave ANYTHING behind around humans or we'll find a way to either use it or bone it.

Scifi owns

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost




Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Bombadilillo posted:

There were a lot of indentured servants. (Read criminal or just poor slave labor. To fill out the colonies.

Yeah, you aren't wrong, I was just thinking of a specific instance.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

rndmnmbr posted:

It all boils down to, we think of sci-fi aliens as wearing their species' "hat", and we wonder what the human "hat" is. Where in reality we're far too diverse to have one specific role as a whole, and aliens are probably the exact same way. Klingons would have their bookish nerds and pacifists, Vulcans would have their guys who routinely lost their temper, Ferengi would have their socialists, etc. Real people, of whatever species, are far too complicated to casually pidgeonhole.

I mean, look at it. We already assume roles and behaviors between us humans based on external characteristics. It's called racism, and it's an ugly thing.

(If humans did have a hat though, I'd like to think it was "stubbornness" We're predators who hunted by running our prey to death. We're not the smartest or the strongest or armed with natural weaponry or armor, but once we get a goal to achieve for good or ill we'll never, ever give up on it.)

The good episodes of Star Trek (mostly DS9) even explore that; we see Klingons who think their society is a load of bullcrap, Ferengi who form an egalitarian union to protest their working conditions or join a space communist society to escape pigeonholing, offshoot Vulcans who form their own society (ie, Romulans), even Vorta who realise their leaders are loving crazy and driving themselves into extinction over a suicidal case of lebensraum and so on.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The good episodes of Star Trek (mostly DS9) even explore that; we see Klingons who think their society is a load of bullcrap, Ferengi who form an egalitarian union to protest their working conditions or join a space communist society to escape pigeonholing, offshoot Vulcans who form their own society (ie, Romulans), even Vorta who realise their leaders are loving crazy and driving themselves into extinction over a suicidal case of lebensraum and so on.

yeah they deconstruct the monocultures pretty well, civil conflicts actually make a great backdrop for a species, b5 did this well also. another good thing is letting the alien cultures interact with one another with humans more as witnesses than party to the clash. it helps broaden out the universe instead of shrink it, ergo it is good

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

i am far more interested in the idea of everything in the galaxy being so hugely different to each other that we basically only get to meet up in encounter suits in highly managed environments

aliens who use a radial nervous system instead of a linear spinal column. sodium based lifeforms to whom earth is an acidic deathscape. sapient ai networks that travel across huge fields of charged glass.

things like the aliens from a quiet place, or sentient 5 dimensional mind fluids that walk round in robotic suits like the vex from destiny.

i am completely over the whole 'we are all humanish' thing. trek was ok because they tried to explain it with the common ancestors seeding the different worlds, and then they also had the space whales, the crystalline entity and the tholians (not to mention the q), but most shows are just lazy with aliens being humans with poo poo stuck to their face.

i realise that back in the 80s and 90s budgets and effects were an issue, but there is really no excuse nowadays.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
SOLARIS

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The good episodes of Star Trek (mostly DS9) even explore that; we see Klingons who think their society is a load of bullcrap, Ferengi who form an egalitarian union to protest their working conditions or join a space communist society to escape pigeonholing, offshoot Vulcans who form their own society (ie, Romulans), even Vorta who realise their leaders are loving crazy and driving themselves into extinction over a suicidal case of lebensraum and so on.

Dax calls worf out on his Klingon bullshit and it's great. Tells him he follows the ritual side religiously without enjoying the zest of life that comes with being a drunk warrior.

Then reveals what good it your honor ideals if your le as ders are full of poo poo in actions.

It's really the culmination of a 10 year worf journey and I love it.

Bombadilillo fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Sep 22, 2018

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Bombadilillo posted:

Dax calls worf out on his Klingon bullshit and it's great. Tells him he follows the ritual side religiously without enjoying the zest of life.

Then reveals what good it your honor ideals if your le as ders are full of poo poo in actions.

It's really the culmination of a 10 year worf journey and I love it.

dax is cool

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
I loved the Klingon lawyer dude who was like "Warriors fight battles in space, other warrior fight their battles in court rooms using different weapons".

That dude rocked. Like all these Klingon are boasting about like killing a handful of dudes and he's like "Yeah? Well I constructed a compelling legal argument after staying awake for five days straight studying ancient laws and met the opposing lawyer in court and debated them for several hours, overriding my impulse to gut them where they stand, and in the end condemned an entire house of cowardly traitor Klingon p'tah to death".

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal
There is no honor in dulled canines! :black101:

*klingon dentist recommends wide array of tooth sharpeners*

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Danaru posted:

Another thing is our adaptability. I love the X-Com series because from the alien's perspective, they start off slow because it's a planet full of dumbass monkeys using explosions to propel projectiles at their ships. Within a couple months suddenly we've strapped their technology to our airplanes, and we've pried open enough Sectoids to make our soldiers psionic, and now the humans are robbing dead aliens for plasma cells because we managed to reverse engineer their ground weaponry. By the time they realize how bad they hosed up, 20 flying psychic humans are boot-loving the door to their HQ on a completely different planet and launching remote controlled missiles at everything inside :allears: You can't leave ANYTHING behind around humans or we'll find a way to either use it or bone it.

Scifi owns

I used to love "humans gently caress yeah" stuff until I got to my mid 20s and since then I feel that I'm going to laugh when human industrial civilization largely collapses due to the effects of climate change and capitalism and we end up trapping our species here until the sun swallows the world because we just couldn't stop trying to take advantage of each other

well

not laugh, exactly

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Kitchner posted:

I loved the Klingon lawyer dude who was like "Warriors fight battles in space, other warrior fight their battles in court rooms using different weapons".
is that the dude who said klingons used to have a science caste and an engineering caste but kids nowadays all just want to be warriors and gently caress poo poo up

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Bobby Deluxe posted:

is that the dude who said klingons used to have a science caste and an engineering caste but kids nowadays all just want to be warriors and gently caress poo poo up

same but twitch streamers

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Professional wrestling is the official fighting style of Starfleet. Kirk even tells Charlie X that the first thing you need to learn about fighting is how to take a bump.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

i think they should bring back espers

naem
May 29, 2011

i’m kind of turning into shatner as i age

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Bobby Deluxe posted:

is that the dude who said klingons used to have a science caste and an engineering caste but kids nowadays all just want to be warriors and gently caress poo poo up

No that's a different guy.

This is the guy who was like "I look forward to battling you Captain Sisko" and Sisko is like "This is a search for the truth" and the dude just smiles and says "The truth must be won, see you on the battlefield".

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ch%27Pok

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Kitchner posted:

No that's a different guy.

This is the guy who was like "I look forward to battling you Captain Sisko" and Sisko is like "This is a search for the truth" and the dude just smiles and says "The truth must be won, see you on the battlefield".

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ch%27Pok

But also he was a lyin' bitch :mad:

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

I know we all laugh at Kirk's fighting style, but those are also the thighs that have satisfied aliens across the galaxy. They would be more than a match for a mere genetically-engineered superman. :colbert:

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Bogus Adventure posted:

I know we all laugh at Kirk's fighting style, but those are also the thighs that have satisfied aliens across the galaxy. They would be more than a match for a mere genetically-engineered superman. :colbert:

I super like those boots, too.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Pick posted:

I super like those boots, too.

Not gonna lie, I always wanted the Star Trek TOS boots. They look super rad. My mom had rainboots that looked a bit like them when as a kid. I used to put on and wander around the yard, pretending to be on an away team mission.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
"Captain, there's a green woman behind those guys over the.."

naem
May 29, 2011

i’m that guy’s weird floppy rubber hand smackin’ around all over james t. kirk’s balls

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
every frame a painting

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

naem posted:

i’m that guy’s weird floppy rubber hand smackin’ around all over james t. kirk’s balls

star trek is loving great !!

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I loving love science fiction

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

im watching the skreean episode and its all gone a bit ukip

naem
May 29, 2011

Pick posted:

star trek is loving great !!

in the 60’s did they know you can yell “no homo!” if you accidentally touch balls or did they walk around mildly ashamed forever

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Pick posted:

star trek is loving great !!

Never heard of it.

But have heard of this, it came out in 1966 and is about space ships:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJI4J92Btis

BlockChainNetflix
Sep 2, 2011

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Yah Tilly is the best

I've decided season 2 of Discovery is going to start with Discovery crashing into the Enterprise, killing all hands except for Tilly, gay engineer guy and lanky alien guy. Gay doctor guys consciousness is going to get downloaded into a mobile emitter somehow, and the four of them are going to go on some proper adventures across the galaxy.

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

BlockChainNetflix posted:

I've decided season 2 of Discovery is going to start with Discovery crashing into the Enterprise, killing all hands except for Tilly, gay engineer guy and lanky alien guy. Gay doctor guys consciousness is going to get downloaded into a mobile emitter somehow, and the four of them are going to go on some proper adventures across the galaxy.

too bad, they already said it is about spock and his family.

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