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Devor posted:The desire path is probably on private property, they're not going to buy all that to build a sidewalk That was what I was thinking, although I see how my post didn’t express that well. Thanks for the fence logic.
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Peanut President posted:I think you're all missing that the design of that intersection is so bad that cars are going through it the wrong way. It was probably designed for a continent founded by a bunch of criminals
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Devor posted:It was probably designed for a continent founded by a bunch of criminals The history of left hand/right hand driving around the world is weird. https://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/driving-on-the-left/
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Sri.Theo posted:So what is a traffic engineer anyway? Here in Dallas, we try to find the busiest highway in the metro, come up with a plan on how to fawk over the traveling public with a terrible traffic control plan in order to build what we try to pass off as an improvement to traffic flow.
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Sep 23, 2018 15:36
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drunkill posted:Someone isn't a fan: I hate to be the traffic signal engineer on that project!!!
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Sep 23, 2018 15:41
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From donoteat
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What the frick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh92LirlCf8
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This intersection seems like an easy fix: Except, you can't touch the triangle in the middle because it's historic, and you can't touch the building south east of the church because it's infrastructure.
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Elendil004 posted:This intersection seems like an easy fix: Varance fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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Sep 24, 2018 04:34
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Just make Library Square into a pseud-roundabout ur welcome
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Sep 24, 2018 05:35
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Expand the square and shift it east, while converting the intersection into a T Junction. The square is improved and more accessible, while traffic is safer and more streamlined.
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Sep 24, 2018 05:59
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Varance posted:Why is the building southeast of the church considered infrastructure? Or are you referring to the post office? I actually can't be more specific but it can be considered an immovable object. Kaal posted:Expand the square and shift it east, while converting the intersection into a T Junction. The square is improved and more accessible, while traffic is safer and more streamlined. Can you mspaint this? I don't follow ask the way through.
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Sep 24, 2018 14:16
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kill the church, make a 4 way
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Bad Munki posted:What the frick? When you see it in practice (I think it's only right in the middle of Melbourne that hook turns are needed anyway) it makes sense. As for the Library Square example, I dunno how much traffic the two side streets generate (the neighbourhood doesn't strike me as vibrant) but maybe just do some annoying poo poo with the synching of the traffic lights and call it a day.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:kill the church, make a 4 way Can't, can't move infrastructure south of the church.
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Elendil004 posted:Can't, can't move infrastructure south of the church. Ahh I thought that was the PO
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Sep 24, 2018 15:41
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Elendil004 posted:Can't, can't move infrastructure south of the church. What is it, the Verizon building? I'd do three concepts, show the property takes for keep north, keep south leg, and meet half way. Half way would probably end up being most expensive in this case since you'd probably be hitting the main structures of the big properties, but people like to see lots of options. The property takes/utility relocation for keeping the north leg would probably be really high. The historic impacts to the park might not look so bad with that context.
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Sep 24, 2018 15:48
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Turn it into a long traffic circle/oval around the central island and wash your hands of the matter
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M_Gargantua posted:Turn it into a long traffic circle/oval around the central island and wash your hands of the matter You have traffic signals with multi-lane approaches - it almost certainly has the volume to make a traffic circle (and not a modern roundabout) unworkable. Roundabout would have more property impacts compared to a signalized intersection, not less.
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Devor posted:I'd do three concepts, show the property takes for keep north, keep south leg, and meet half way. Half way would probably end up being most expensive in this case since you'd probably be hitting the main structures of the big properties, but people like to see lots of options. Can you make a drawing or three? I can't tell what you mean by these options. I'm dumb.
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Can you make a drawing or three? I can't tell what you mean by these options. I'm dumb.  Opt 1 keeps the south leg intact Opt 2 keeps the north leg intact Opt 3 splits the difference and goes through the middle All three would obviously need refinements, I usually design in Microstation and not Microsoft Paint, no effort made for radii, etc This type of study would only be done if there was a serious issue - safety, traffic, etc. The property impacts are obviously very large and expensive. I worked on a similar project where there was road widening programmed, and this type of 'dog-leg intersection' was acting as a major obstacle to getting the future widening done. I think it ended up being about a $4M project, maybe more.
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Sep 24, 2018 23:02
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I think those all break the rule that the non-descript triangle of grass is sacred and can not be touched.
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Baronjutter posted:I think those all break the rule that the non-descript triangle of grass is sacred and can not be touched. Sometimes they think that until we do a concept that shows a $1M project with historic impacts vs. a $5M project with no historic impacts, then they realize they're on board with spending $200k for NEPA work by our planning folks, plus some remediation/relocation of monument, etc.
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Sep 25, 2018 00:10
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Checking the area out on street view it really does seem like swapping the church driveway and the road would be the easiest solution.
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Sep 25, 2018 00:12
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Baronjutter posted:Checking the area out on street view it really does seem like swapping the church driveway and the road would be the easiest solution. Good idea - they could do a land swap and put the new parking lot where the existing road is - wipe out the house or two to the south.
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Sep 25, 2018 00:44
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Take the church's parking lot and give them the stub of road past it e: dammit
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I have a feeling right now the option chosen will be 4. Do nothing but complain "Why is this intersection still so bad." Public workshop this week though so I'll let you all know 
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Sep 25, 2018 03:55
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ROUNDABOUT! Who needs this church anyway?
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I can’t believe you guys are not seeing the answer when it’s RIGHT THERE looking at you: merge Mansfield and Taunton with an overpass that goes over church.
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nielsm posted:ROUNDABOUT! Peanut President posted:Just make Library Square into a pseud-roundabout ur welcome
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This whole area is an ultra-low density wasteland of mansions with Mitt Romney signs in their front lawns, gently caress em.
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We're not allowed the impact the square, they just put up a sweet new Gazebo https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9669128,-71.1881436,3a,62.4y,358.17h,84.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6uVDKYpbu6EitX78S15ivQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Do you how many hundreds of dollars it would cost to relocate that thing?
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no i mean this
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nielsm posted:ROUNDABOUT! They've already paved the south part, just change the signage and you're all set
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and before anyone asks "but mister carter how can a truck make that turn in the northeast" I say "gently caress you"
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Solve your intersection problems by simply taking away all that darn state road traffic from Norton Center, especially that pesky traffic wanting to get to 495 but not originating in the center area.
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nielsm posted:ROUNDABOUT! I like this solution, assuming the turning radiuses are sufficient. Though I'd also include cutting out Library Road entirely and incorporate that land into the park, since there's Main St right next to it. fishmech posted:Solve your intersection problems by simply taking away all that darn state road traffic from Norton Center, especially that pesky traffic wanting to get to 495 but not originating in the center area. This is probably the best solution if the constraints are "change nothing, but make it better". Kaal fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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Devor posted:
You don't happen to live in the DFW area and is searching for a job? Of know someone who is? We got work coming out of our arses atm.
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Or Charleston? Because ditto with work. Seriously.
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Devor posted:We're not allowed the impact the square, they just put up a sweet new Gazebo Check the other side of the park. I'm pretty sure that's a war memorial.
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