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SatansBestBuddy posted:they stabbed him in the back and in the process got rid of basically every shred of dignity and nobility they had built up over those last two books, so what was supposed to be a conclusion to a millennia long cycle of suffering is instead a new trigger to repeat the cycle again. no lessons are learned, all the sacrifice meant nothing, and the games gods play with the world continues uninterrupted and without consequence. thanks i hate it Sorry for bringing this up two days later in the One Piece thread but please post that in the Malazan thread as I would like to see other's view on this (I remember it completely different but it's been a long time).
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Sep 26, 2018 13:36
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Man with Hat posted:Sorry for bringing this up two days later in the One Piece thread but please post that in the Malazan thread as I would like to see other's view on this (I remember it completely different but it's been a long time). It's extremely different. Objectively, the act had to be done, but the gutpunch is that the scene is from the POV of some who really needed that character's presence and saw it snatched away while not understanding or knowing the actual compassionate reason for it.
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Sep 26, 2018 14:14
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's extremely different. Objectively, the act had to be done, but the gutpunch is that the scene is from the POV of some who really needed that character's presence and saw it snatched away while not understanding or knowing the actual compassionate reason for it. That's sort of how I also remembered it (but less detailed). I'm halfway through Crippled God on my second readthrough so the timing for this coming up was kind of bad. Anyway, we should stop talking about it here in the OP thread. We could just quote the post to the malazan thread if we want to keep talking about it there.
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Sep 26, 2018 14:39
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's extremely different. Objectively, the act had to be done, but the gutpunch is that the scene is from the POV of some who really needed that character's presence and saw it snatched away while not understanding or knowing the actual compassionate reason for it. That's also how I remember it. Calling the end of Malazan bad is just wrong, calling the last two books a bit of a slog is fair.
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Sep 26, 2018 15:59
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ya malazan doesnt really have anything in common with one piece except that its otrageously long and that morons think its ok to skip parts of it
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Sep 26, 2018 17:34
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scary ghost dog posted:ya malazan doesnt really have anything in common with one piece except that its otrageously long and that morons think its ok to skip parts of it Also, ice-users are OP as gently caress and dropping mountains on people is a viable combat tactic.
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Sep 26, 2018 17:36
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Come to think of it, if you painted Kuzan green and gave him tusks, he’d be a completely normal Jaghut, right down to the personality.
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Sep 26, 2018 17:45
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Kinda funny that Akainu is devastating in straight combat and can override other Logias even without Haki, while Kizaru is more unstoppable one on one and capable of rapid-response anywhere (again, likely why he's the one who shows up when you clock a Celestial Dragon) while Aokoji seems to be of vastly more tactical use; on top of having a built in immunity to seawater he can stop entire fleets in their tracks on his own. Also, Luffy's fighting style actually seems to lend itself to sumo wrestling. Most of his boss fights are basically endurance matches. Came to mind that Luffy and Bege have a thing in common; they both go straight for the enemy leader (who in One Piece world is usually the strongest one, though even in the case they're not the toughest one usually the best target) because generally the rest of the group will retreat, surrender or fall into disarray without them. It's not always how it goes-the Navy in particular is far more likely to fight on to avenge their commander and/or finish the mission, Hody's fanatics would go out fighting, and Luffy himself noted the war in Alabasta wasn't going to end immediately when the leader's beaten unless the orders stop coming- but it's a decent strategy. This may or may not prove to be a key theme.
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Sep 26, 2018 17:51
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scary ghost dog posted:ya malazan doesnt really have anything in common with one piece except that its otrageously long and that morons think its ok to skip parts of it Lol but true
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Sep 26, 2018 17:55
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scary ghost dog posted:ya malazan doesnt really have anything in common with one piece except that its otrageously long and that morons think its ok to skip parts of it They are both fantasy epics that take place in exceptionally well built worlds, which is why I brought it up, but yeah the actual stories themselves have superficial similarities at best.
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Sep 26, 2018 18:04
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seeing so many malazan fans in this thread makes me wonder what our venn diagram would be. do we just like epics in general or is there something wrong with all of us?
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Sep 26, 2018 18:05
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Personally, I love One Piece but found each Malazan book more dry and tedious than the last, though I gave up after 4 or 5. Gardens is the only one I'd recommend to anyone.
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Sep 26, 2018 18:33
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supposedly kizaru travels at light speed but has he ever arrived anywhere without coming closer via ship?
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Sep 26, 2018 18:44
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Snazzy Frocks posted:supposedly kizaru travels at light speed but has he ever arrived anywhere without coming closer via ship? There could be limits to his power but the more likely answer is that hes lazy.
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Sep 26, 2018 18:51
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i thought oda answered that in an sbs or something. like he cant light travel over long stretches of ocean because it makes him weak and he would fall in. maybe im making that up
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Sep 26, 2018 19:08
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Jorenko posted:Personally, I love One Piece but found each Malazan book more dry and tedious than the last, though I gave up after 4 or 5. Gardens is the only one I'd recommend to anyone. I liked malazan but it did feel like the author liked to revel in misery at times
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Sep 26, 2018 19:09
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Lpzie posted:seeing so many malazan fans in this thread makes me wonder what our venn diagram would be. do we just like epics in general or is there something wrong with all of us? i gave up on malazan after gardens of the moon because i had no idea what the point of the book was or who the bad guys were, it did a terrible job of introducing me to its world and i also had just finished perdido street station which is a million times better
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Sep 26, 2018 19:35
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if your story is going to be a massive epic it had better be freaking approachable
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Sep 26, 2018 19:36
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scary ghost dog posted:if your story is going to be a massive epic it had better be freaking approachable Most people suggest starting at book 2 and coming back to Gardens later on. Gardens is really only the "first" book in the series because it was written as a script for a movie 10 years before the rest of the series (or TV, can't remember). It really takes place in the middle of the timeline of the series. E: the quality of the writing also doesn't accurately reflect on the rest of the series. Ubiquitus fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 26, 2018 |
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Sep 26, 2018 21:42
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scary ghost dog posted:if your story is going to be a massive epic it had better be freaking approachable Malazan is designed as a vast, complex puzzle - the fun is in sifting through the many moving parts and fragments of information it throws at you and fitting them all together. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s satisfying, entertaining, and immersive if that’s how you like to approach a story. The fact that the pieces of the puzzle are usually metal as gently caress helps, too.
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Sep 26, 2018 21:43
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Ubiquitus posted:Most people suggest starting at book 2 and coming back to Gardens later on. haha......thats insane.
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Sep 27, 2018 00:18
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lol imagine if the first chapter of one piece was a really weird early version of impel down + marineford
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Sep 27, 2018 00:19
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Ubiquitus posted:Most people suggest starting at book 2 and coming back to Gardens later on. That's kind of an untrue/confusing way to put it. Gardens is very much the start of the series - there's one book that goes into an earlier time period and the first section of another that does the same, but that's it.~80% of the series happens directly after Gardens. That said, yes, the 10 year gap between Gardens and the next book in terms of publishing is super noticeable. I'd still never really suggest skipping it, tho.
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Sep 27, 2018 00:25
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oh hes like those idiots that say u should skip skypiea huh......
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Sep 27, 2018 00:27
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Anyway I'll always like Malazan because at a time when the genre was going up its own rear end with misery porn, Steven Erikson sat down and wrote a shitload of words that amounted to "compassion is extremely good."
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Sep 27, 2018 00:33
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Oh Snapple! posted:That's kind of an untrue/confusing way to put it. Gardens is very much the start of the series - there's one book that goes into an earlier time period and the first section of another that does the same, but that's it.~80% of the series happens directly after Gardens. Whattt? Where in my post did I suggest skipping Gardens? I said go back later so its not incomprehensible for half the book. I like Gardens, just trying to make the series more accessible for people. Also Skypeia owns, I've been one of the people suggesting never skipping skypeia
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Sep 27, 2018 01:46
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Ubiquitus posted:Whattt? Where in my post did I suggest skipping Gardens? I said go back later so its not incomprehensible for half the book. I like Gardens, just trying to make the series more accessible for people.  sorry to accuse
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Sep 27, 2018 01:51
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Since im an adult and not a child i dont read fantasy novels. i only read mature stories for smart people like journey to the end of the night and one piece.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:51
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Alright, this is important because I thought Gardens of the Moon was dull and invested way too much detail in things I had no reason to care about yet, but everything else I hear about Mazalan seems pretty cool: Which one of you fuckers is right? If I can give the 2nd book a try I will, but if I really should read the first book first the series is not for me because holy poo poo all the stupid detail in the first book is insufferable without context and if that's how the author builds a world I'd rather not deal with any of that.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:52
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give it a try and see? I liked that series but the only way to know for sure if you will is to read it. a trade paperback is pretty cheap
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Sep 27, 2018 01:54
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Ubiquitus posted:Whattt? Where in my post did I suggest skipping Gardens? I said go back later so its not incomprehensible for half the book. I like Gardens, just trying to make the series more accessible for people. whoops sorry I meant that as more of a response to what you mentioned about others recommending skipping it, not to you specifically. Eiba posted:Alright, this is important because I thought Gardens of the Moon was dull and invested way too much detail in things I had no reason to care about yet, but everything else I hear about Mazalan seems pretty cool: Manatee Cannon posted:give it a try and see? I liked that series but the only way to know for sure if you will is to read it. a trade paperback is pretty cheap This is correct but I'll just go ahead and add a caveat that Malazan is not gonna be a good read for you if you're the type of person who absolutely needs to know everything about a world and have it laid out in front of you. Erikson straight-up drops you in and then starts drip-feeding you info from there, a good amount of which ends up being completely wrong because poo poo gets mythologized after thousands of years. Some people love that, some people hate it.
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Sep 27, 2018 02:01
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That does sound neat. It reminds me a little of how I felt at the beginning of Altered Carbon where at first I was rolling my eyes at all of the jargon and special terms they'd invented for the world but as things slid into place I began to like it more and more. It's definitely a different experience than a shonen manga where everything basically has to be explained when it appears for the first time.
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Sep 27, 2018 02:32
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Oh Snapple! posted:This is correct but I'll just go ahead and add a caveat that Malazan is not gonna be a good read for you if you're the type of person who absolutely needs to know everything about a world and have it laid out in front of you. Erikson straight-up drops you in and then starts drip-feeding you info from there, a good amount of which ends up being completely wrong because poo poo gets mythologized after thousands of years. Some people love that, some people hate it. Yeah one of the big things about the Book of the Fallen is that history and mythology are very much linked and very very fluid. Two major groups of primary characters are regular mortal soldiers who join the mythology of the world because of how much awful war they are forced to go through. Gods are dead/not dead/actually just assholes living in a cave. The Jargon does take a bit to get used to but it clicked to me in book 2 and stayed consistent.
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Sep 27, 2018 03:32
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scary ghost dog posted:lol imagine if the first chapter of one piece was a really weird early version of impel down + marineford Its more like what the anime did imo
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Sep 27, 2018 08:16
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M_Gargantua posted:Yeah one of the big things about the Book of the Fallen is that history and mythology are very much linked and very very fluid. Two major groups of primary characters are regular mortal soldiers who join the mythology of the world because of how much awful war they are forced to go through. Gods are dead/not dead/actually just assholes living in a cave. The books also have the best curses. They only say gently caress like once per book. All other curses make sense for the malazan world and not for ours and it's done in a really, really good way too.
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Sep 27, 2018 12:46
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AfroGunsou posted:i thought oda answered that in an sbs or something. like he cant light travel over long stretches of ocean because it makes him weak and he would fall in. maybe im making that up That would make a degree of sense if as light travelling through an atmosphere he gets diffused the further he goes, and risks hitting the ocean via the planet's curvature if he's going in a straight line. He can probably go exactly as far as he can see.
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Sep 27, 2018 15:35
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Break this week or what? I see a lot of book nerd poo poo for some reason but no chapter.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:29
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Chapter tomorrow, most likely. Spoilers have been out for a while now.
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im excited. im excited for my friend luffy and his adventures!
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