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Jedit posted:Roy was rebellious, but there's no hint of a replicant revolution in 2019. Quite the reverse; Roy was acting purely for himself and his group. Organised replicant rebellion didn't come along until later. A group mutiny is explicitly an organized rebellion. But, yes, as I said, he didn't start "the revolution" in the way we see in 2049. He's part of the general theme of people rebelling against their makers/owners/natures/etc. that gets made so dully literal with the revolutionary group. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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Sir Kodiak posted:A group mutiny is explicitly an organized rebellion. But, yes, as I said, he didn't start "the revolution" in the way we see in 2049. He's part of the general theme of people rebelling against their makers/owners/natures/etc. that gets made so dully literal with the revolutionary group. Yea I mean there are various degrees of organization that a revolution can have but I think if you say that a group of slaves violently overthrew their masters that's at least a rebellion. And then after a while what starts as a rebellion can become a revolution. Batty wasn't purposely trying to start an organized revolution but that is in fact what his actions caused.
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Jun 15, 2018 13:47
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Basebf555 posted:Yea I mean there are various degrees of organization that a revolution can have but I think if you say that a group of slaves violently overthrew their masters that's at least a rebellion. And then after a while what starts as a rebellion can become a revolution. Batty wasn't purposely trying to start an organized revolution but that is in fact what his actions caused. Yeah, in a general sense. But there’s no continuity of organization such that he started “the revolution.” He contributed to the general undercurrent of resistance.
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Jun 15, 2018 13:52
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, in a general sense. But there’s no continuity of organization such that he started “the revolution.” He contributed to the general undercurrent of resistance. It's similar to Cloud Atlas where one slave's struggle ends up inspiring a revolution but she is executed and never gets to see it happen. The fact that Batty didn't anticipate the future doesn't make his actions any less important to that future.
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Roy Beatty’s contributions strike me as being a fair bit more incidental than the story you’re referencing in Cloud Atlas. His actions are primarily important because they happened to get Deckard and Rachel in a room together, and because he killed Tyrell out of personal outrage. His motivation for rebelling was just to survive. His causal relationship to the later revolution, where one of their inspirations is the replicant-born child, is fairly tenuous.
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Jun 15, 2018 14:03
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The girl from Cloud Atlas has no desire to start a revolution either, she simply wants to assert herself as someone deserving of human rights, that she is someone who will no longer "be subject to criminal abuse". It's mostly the same with Batty, he feels he is deserving of life the same as any other person and he decides to take it by force. Batty's importance is just as much due to what he teaches Deckard than anything else, which is also true in Cloud Atlas. After her death, people see what she had done and become inspired to do better, just like Deckard when he is saved by Batty.
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Jun 15, 2018 14:23
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Sure. But in Cloud Atlas you have people directly inspired by Sonmi's manifesto. Batty saving Deckard who hides his daughter who helps inspire a group of revolutionaries seems more tenuous. Sonmi's broadcast is literally a sacred text for a group of people. Batty is one of any number of people who contributed to the state of the world in 2049 through the unforeseen consequences of his actions. He's not a central figure in a revolution the way Sonmi is. But, yeah, he was a significant actor, so there's reverberations from what he did.
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Right, I mean it's not a 1:1 comparison, there are differences. In the Blade Runner films it's really just Deckard and the audience who know the importance of Roy Batty, but he's extremely important regardless. I'm really not concerned with the semantic argument of whether he "started" or "sparked" or "inspired" a revolution, but I don't think you can argue he wasn't a critical piece.
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Yeah, I mean, he killed god and saved the father of the miracle baby. I don’t think anyone is arguing he didn’t change the world. Is there some larger point you’re trying to make?
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, I mean, he killed god and saved the father of the miracle baby. I don’t think anyone is arguing he didn’t change the world. Is there some larger point you’re trying to make? Not really, just shootin the poo poo. Bored at work mostly. More specifically though I was responding to this post from last night after I went to bed: Jedit posted:Roy was rebellious, but there's no hint of a replicant revolution in 2019. Quite the reverse; Roy was acting purely for himself and his group. Organised replicant rebellion didn't come along until later. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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feedmyleg posted:It's a big reason why I still feel a little icky about the film's sexual politics. If they can be that unrealistic with upending the class divide they could've been just as unrealistic with evolving society's treatment of women. V's argument of "I wanted to hold up a mirror to our times in order to provide commentary on how society treats its women poorly, and providing a counterpoint to that would have lessened its impact" is a stark contrast to the revolution stuff.
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What's the thread consensus on what K is thinking right after he tosses the scrap of paper and looks at his gun in the "Hello, handsome" scene? "I must rescue Deckard to show him his daughter because I'm a real boy and a good person" is the obvious surface answer based on his later actions, but, not a very satisfying take.
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pmchem posted:What's the thread consensus on what K is thinking right after he tosses the scrap of paper and looks at his gun in the "Hello, handsome" scene? That scene is his final realization of the artifice that is Joi (*joy*) and his resolve to face Luv (*love*) head on. He realizes he'd been grieving for an imaginary woman that served as the object of his fantasies, full stop. She was never real, she was merely the vessel of what he thought he wanted, and now he's free to face Luv--literally love: an unstoppable, relentless, elemental force outside of his control--so that he can transport Deckard--his ancestor in spirit if not in truth, the responsibility of the past to the future--to his daughter, who crafts the dreams of the next generation in a room that looks, uncoincidentally, like a womb. Ben Nerevarine fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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i loved this movie and i'm glad the rumor i heard that scott made them say deckard was a replicant was untrue.
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Blood Boils posted:But he did exactly that in SS?? I can agree with this for 2049, but then I don't think anyone was super memorable in it, even though it's a good movie. The real star is the sound and the image. Free Jared Fogle
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Groovelord Neato posted:i loved this movie and i'm glad the rumor i heard that scott made them say deckard was a replicant was untrue. I was impressed they managed to make Deckard a relatively big part of the story while explicitly not confirming him being a human or replicant.
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Irony.or.Death posted:I'm all in favor of more Bowie or Combs or Glover, but I don't think anyone really could have saved the Wallace role as written. If these things are really so slow and expensive to produce that human-style childbirth would be a game-changing improvement and the most important thing going on in your life, maybe don't break one in service of the monologue that only your fanatically loyal assistant is watching anyway. You'd need better lines to sell that as anything but hopelessly goofy no matter how weird you play the character. Thinking about this... He stabbed the new replicant; are we shown that this kills her? Maybe Wallace sends her off to be stitched back up and put to whatever duty she was designed for.
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Thinking about this... He stabbed the new replicant; are we shown that this kills her? Maybe Wallace sends her off to be stitched back up and put to whatever duty she was designed for. lol It's greatly implied that she died. Moreso than K at the end.
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Thinking about this... He stabbed the new replicant; are we shown that this kills her? Maybe Wallace sends her off to be stitched back up and put to whatever duty she was designed for. Think about it like this: replicants are a are human beings. The difference is just a class label. Is this something that would make sense for a human being?
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feedmyleg posted:Think about it like this: replicants are a are human beings. The difference is just a class label. Is this something that would make sense for a human being? While that's true thematically and in the context talking about replicants as sentient beings(which they are), if we're just specifically talking only about physical abilities then there are some replicants who are more physically capable then any human being. They were purposely designed that way. But yes that replicant that Wallace sliced is definitely dead.
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It'll probably all be typical spinoff nonsense revolving around attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion or whatever, but it sounds like we're getting a new Blade Runner expanded universe.
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feedmyleg posted:It'll probably all be typical spinoff nonsense revolving around attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion or whatever, but it sounds like we're getting a new Blade Runner expanded universe. I'd be surprised if anything more substantial than a handful of one-off comic books come out of this
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I went to see this twice in theatres, absolutely loved it, and the soundtrack just popped up in the sidebar of Youtube and I'm falling in love with it all over again. I've got a decent 4k HDR TV, where's the best place to buy/stream it from? Amazon?
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Bardeh posted:I went to see this twice in theatres, absolutely loved it, and the soundtrack just popped up in the sidebar of Youtube and I'm falling in love with it all over again. I've got a decent 4k HDR TV, where's the best place to buy/stream it from? Amazon?
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Bardeh posted:I went to see this twice in theatres, absolutely loved it, and the soundtrack just popped up in the sidebar of Youtube and I'm falling in love with it all over again. I've got a decent 4k HDR TV, where's the best place to buy/stream it from? Amazon? You can't really stream it properly in HDR unless you go through Apple(I'm not even certain that they have it in 4k but they probably do), so the best option is the blu ray. 4k HDR is really not very useful if you don't have a 4k blu ray player. There's just not enough streaming content yet.
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Just reminded of this movie the other day because it contains probably my favorite match cut of the last decade.
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Danger posted:Just reminded of this movie the other day because it contains probably my favorite match cut of the last decade. It has many of them. Which one?
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BarronsArtGallery posted:It has many of them. Which one? The cut from the campfire to the city at night.
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I got massive, euphoric levels of ASMR during that cut. Seeing this movie for the first time in IMAX should be a requirement. That scene's composition, and maybe more importantly the score that accompanies it is just masterclass cinema firing on all cylinders. Because of this, I'm frantically anticipating Villeneuve's take on Dune. It's comparable to the bone -> space station cut in 2001 Space Odyssey.
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Is the music that plays in the scene where K is eating outside and meets the prostitutes on the OST?
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With a good pair of open back headphones (I got some DT 990 Pros) the audio and soundtrack in this film are especially incredible. It's about the only thing I would say was superior about watching it at home.
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I recently rewatched the movie and got into an argument about this: are the Wallace replicants build to be more obidient than the ones from the Nexus series? The movie just says that "they obey" and my impression is that they are just kept in line better through constant psychological monitoring and conditioning, but other than that, they are just as dangerous. That would fit in perfectly with the whole movie theme of walls and prisons that exist only in our minds.
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They're the same. Whatever replicant tech is, it can't keep them from developing hopes and dreams and other "undesirable" human traits. If they could, all the psychological stuff and the built-in life timer from the first movie would be irrelevant.
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You can clearly see Luv experiencing natural emotions that she's fighting against a number of times. Whether she's fighting against them out of a loyalty to Wallace (and a desire to be "the best one") or because she's programmed to is technically ambiguous. But the former makes a whole lot more sense to me.
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K references, a couple of times, that his memories are fake. He knows they're implanted, but they still have their effect. It's a nice idea that his generation can see the form of control, and seems to accept it themselves. Dovetails nicely with the implanted memories of the child.
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Maybe this is old news, but apparently there is a 4 hour cut of this movie that exists. Which was news to me. Don't know if I'd watch it or not. Thought it was plenty long even though I loved it.
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veni veni veni posted:Maybe this is old news, but apparently there is a 4 hour cut of this movie that exists. Which was news to me. Don't know if I'd watch it or not. Thought it was plenty long even though I loved it.
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veni veni veni posted:Maybe this is old news, but apparently there is a 4 hour cut of this movie that exists. Which was news to me. Don't know if I'd watch it or not. Thought it was plenty long even though I loved it.  I'd watch the ~Director's Cut~ and they'd be idiots not to wait a few years and cash-in just like the original.
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Luckily the directors cut of this movie was the theatrical. But I'd be so down for an alternate cut where we get the OG score and more of whatever slow ponderous footage they wanna give me.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I recently rewatched the movie and got into an argument about this: are the Wallace replicants build to be more obidient than the ones from the Nexus series? The movie just says that "they obey" and my impression is that they are just kept in line better through constant psychological monitoring and conditioning, but other than that, they are just as dangerous. That would fit in perfectly with the whole movie theme of walls and prisons that exist only in our minds. That doesn't explain the couple times (one in the film, one in a promotional short) where we see Wallace kill replicants who don't struggle or fight back in any way. Conditioning or monitoring only goes so far.
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