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Ibope says in the second round: Haddad 43 - Bolsonaro 37 Gomes 46 - Bolsonaro 35 Alckmin 41 - Bolsonaro 36 Marina 39 - Bolsonaro 39 (lol) https://www.oantagonista.com/brasil/segundo-ibope-bolsonaro-perderia-para-todos-e-empataria-com-marina-no-segundo-turno/
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I think that the interesting thing about Haddad winning is that the institutional opposition to PT may be stuck with him. This isn't like Dilma, who had a ghoul for sale as the VP, so impeaching Haddad doesn't get them who they want. And impeaching both or impugning his candidacy after the fact means new elections, which PT would likely win again.
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bagual posted:
And that's a pro because...?
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Negrostrike posted:And that's a pro because...? Because it would be unexpected for him to privatize things built with public money, pretty much that.
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loving lol at Macri's Central Bank director quitting on him 12 hours after Macri claimed "everything was under control".
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:loving lol at Macri's Central Bank director quitting on him 12 hours after Macri claimed "everything was under control". To be fair, a cabinet member quitting in Argentina is just another Tuesday
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ZearothK posted:Because it would be unexpected for him to privatize things built with public money, pretty much that. I'm not sure if "nationalist" is the best way to describe this. more like "statist"?
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Symbolic Butt posted:I'm not sure if "nationalist" is the best way to describe this. more like "statist"?
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Pochoclo posted:To be fair, a cabinet member quitting in Argentina is just another Tuesday Sure, but they had a whole big show about "no cabinet changes" right after the peso went to $40 and they had to run off to the IMF again so it's extra funny.
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Does anyone know why Haddad was chosen as replacement Lula? I know he won mayor of São Paulo once and was also Minister of Education - are those things enough to give him a better national chance than a governor or something?
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone know why Haddad was chosen as replacement Lula? I know he won mayor of São Paulo once and was also Minister of Education - are those things enough to give him a better national chance than a governor or something? He was mayor of São Paulo only 2 years ago, and had a moderately popular administration among the left. He's basically the only PT politician that comes to mind besides Lula and Dilma so I believe it was the obvious choice here.
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone know why Haddad was chosen as replacement Lula? I know he won mayor of São Paulo once and was also Minister of Education - are those things enough to give him a better national chance than a governor or something? He's one of the few visible new names in the party. Other bigshots have either retired, been brought low by corruption scandals, failed to gather momentum, or been hounded into jail.
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Olívio Dutra is too old to run, other than that PT is pretty much tapped out in the South and they WANNA run with someone from Southern Brazil, especially São Paulo.
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Negrostrike posted:And that's a pro because...? Won't sell state property, like when Temer privatized some oil fields citing state companies inefficiency only to sell them to chinese and norwegian state oil companies 
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bagual posted:Won't sell state property Latin American "Nationalists" have sold state property up the rear end before time and time again
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Pochoclo posted:Latin American "Nationalists" have sold state property up the rear end before time and time again It all depends on how you define nationalism. Most latin american nationalists have been from the school of "I'm gonna smash them (imaginary) commies for God and country, who cares if I beggar the place while I do it. Also, gotta drip a few percent off the top into my swiss account, because I'm a meritocrat after all!"
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basically,Symbolic Butt posted:I'm not sure if "nationalist" is the best way to describe this. more like "statist"?
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I was using nationalist as in actually exercising sovreign national interest, hallmark of national development governments in latin america, and in opposition to anti-national sell everything neoliberals and other "patriots" who will salute the flag and sing the anthem while rolling over for americans, europeans, chinese, whatever. Nationalism really is one of those words so loaded you gotta be very specific about whenever you use it. I don't think "statism" really covers stuff like trade protectionism and other incentives to national private industry. "Has a national development economic strategy " would convey what i was trying to say in the original post, but i was half shitposting then and didn't think it through.
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Nacional-desenvolvimentismo?
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bagual posted:I was using nationalist as in actually exercising sovereign national interest We had maybe one politician in the entire history of Argentina who actually fit that label (Illia) and they literally dragged him out of office by force, I doubt the rest of the South American countries have fared much better. Maybe Mujica?
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Pochoclo posted:Maybe Mujica? Lol
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Polidoro posted:Lol Sorry I don't know much about Uruguay except it used to be the go-to place to buy dollars, marijuana being slightly less illegal there, and them always trying to take credit for dulce de leche, mate, and Gardel. Mujica's media image in Argentina has always been very "simple man of the people" but maybe he's a right-wing twat, wouldn't be the first time Frankly it'd be kinda sad if the only honest politician in all of Latin America's history that I can name is Illia
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Pochoclo posted:Frankly it'd be kinda sad if the only honest politician in all of Latin America's history that I can name is Illia
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Pochoclo posted:Sorry I don't know much about Uruguay except it used to be the go-to place to buy dollars, marijuana being slightly less illegal there, and them always trying to take credit for dulce de leche, mate, and Gardel. He's a crook who spent his entire period doing favors to his friends or trying to give the country away to multinationals. He's also incompetent so he often failed or was found out. Still managed to do a lot of damage.
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Polidoro posted:He's a crook who spent his entire period doing favors to his friends or trying to give the country away to multinationals. He's also incompetent so he often failed or was found out. Still managed to do a lot of damage. yeah, sure, but he drives a beetle, and also, pot.
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Magrov posted:yeah, sure, but he drives a beetle, and also, pot. pot was always legal here. he just made a half assed law for the government to sell it and it's been losing steam since he left.
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I really hate having no idea who the gently caress to vote for I hate this country so much
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frajaq posted:I really hate having no idea who the gently caress to vote for Turns out I'm not voting at all because this holiday trip I scheduled to the US is on election day but I was gonna waste my vote on Boulos anyway. See y'all on the runoffs when I pray that the less lovely candidate beats Bolsonaro!
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Polidoro posted:He's a crook who spent his entire period doing favors to his friends or trying to give the country away to multinationals. He's also incompetent so he often failed or was found out. Still managed to do a lot of damage. It's amazing how this applies to every latin american politician frajaq posted:I really hate having no idea who the gently caress to vote for It's amazing how this applies to every latin american country
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https://twitter.com/JanainaDoBrasil/status/1045655099547295746 translation of the relevant part: "farts cannot stop a chief of state" edit: this is Janaina Paschoal, an important figure in the brazilian new right, she was one of the authors of the impeachment process, was considered for running as vice president with Bolsonaro and is a total nut job Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:https://twitter.com/JanainaDoBrasil/status/1045655099547295746 Go, Bolsonaro, go fart in the debates. This stabbing really is the best thing that could have happened to him, he is his own worst enemy and gives him an excuse to hide from the debates. The best thing that can continue to happen to us is for his vice-candidate to keep talking.
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At least with Bolsonaro the mask is falling. All my coxinha acquaintances who were deeply concerned about our democracy under PT are now all openly calling for Folha to be investigated because they are going to interview Lula.
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joepinetree posted:At least with Bolsonaro the mask is falling. All my coxinha acquaintances who were deeply concerned about our democracy under PT are now all openly calling for Folha to be investigated because they are going to interview Lula. It's a thing of wonder how they went from "PT is gonna abolish election anytime now and star a bolivarian regime bloobloo" to "Arrest all jounalists and burn the history books saying 1964 was a coup, rar! Just get a room of rich people to write a new Constituin, it's fiine!" in the blink of an eye. And the most educated, 'enlightened' layer of the population, too! poo poo, half my family's facebook threads are about how great it'll be once all pot smokers are killed (moderates say they should just have their fingers removed). And by 'wonder' I mean it makes me want to scream until my jaw unhinges.
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And here I am glad even the most reactionary members of my family, from Brasília even!, are going "Eww" at Bolsonaro. My uncle who wants all "vagabundos" to be shot thinks Bozo is too much now, though that one might be influence from his gay son who's not coming back to Brazil anytime soon.
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there's a pro-Bolsonaro protest going on in my city and it's right next to a shopping mall, all the expensive valet parking is occupied. this is so on brand it hurts. they are doing the Patriot dance right now.
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nerdz posted:they are doing the Patriot dance right now. There's gotta be a video
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Negrostrike posted:There's gotta be a video I was on my way to the shopping mall and driving. There's a lot of them in the mall now. I think I saw a lot of incels too. Imagine very unkempt dudes in their late 30s walking around the mall with a yellow Bolsonaro balloon, never in groups, waking by themselves
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nerdz posted:there's a pro-Bolsonaro protest going on in my city and it's right next to a shopping mall, all the expensive valet parking is occupied. this is so on brand it hurts. they are doing the Patriot dance right now. The pro-Bolsonaro manifestations always happen close to malls in the posh part of town, I heard people heading towards Parcão here in Porto Alegre. Dias fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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nerdz posted:there's a pro-Bolsonaro protest going on in my city and it's right next to a shopping mall, all the expensive valet parking is occupied. this is so on brand it hurts. they are doing the Patriot dance right now. Few things showed me the meaning of the term 'cringe' better than the pro-impeachment and Bolsonaro dances. Otherwise, I'd relish the utter ruination of PSDB in this cycle if they hadn't gestated something worse in their dying body before expiring.
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