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Postess with the Mostest posted:Yep, if the Liberals manage to isolate us from our largest trading partner and other markets, we can all finally agree they're the best conservatives. You don't believe that there's some sort of isolationist ideology behind the current situation, right?
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Kraftwerk posted:All this tells me is there’s still enough people doing well enough in the status quo that they benefit from the system remaining what it is. Let me suggest an alternative: this tells us that the people who benefit from the status quo are better organized, and thus better represented, than the people who lose. The better organized / represented people tend to be those who have the most resources such as money, social capital, control of civil society organizations, media access, power over employees, etc. The worse organized / represented people tend to be those who are more economically precarious and have less access to the media or civil society. This situation has broken the normal feedback loop that theoretically was supposed to push liberal democracy into performing a course correction. We're not part of a different "system" than America, we're just living in a comfortable suburb of the empire. quote:America meanwhile has fired their middle class. We bring in lots of skilled labour, yes, but I'm not sure how you can look at policies like this: quote:This past year, Canada issued over 286,000 work permits to temporary workers. To help attract and retain global talent, the Government also launched the Global Skills Strategy in 2016. A key aspect of this effort will get highly-skilled temporary workers here faster, helping businesses to attract the talent they need to succeed in an increasingly competitive global market. And not see that they are consciously designed to help businesses reduce labour costs.
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Sep 27, 2018 22:32
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I can't wait and see what sort of unique donation Steven "I want to gently caress my 3rd grade math teacher" Fletcher has for this foundation that is trying to build an addictions center he opposes.
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Sep 27, 2018 22:58
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Helsing posted:Let me suggest an alternative: this tells us that the people who benefit from the status quo are better organized, and thus better represented, than the people who lose. The better organized / represented people tend to be those who have the most resources such as money, social capital, control of civil society organizations, media access, power over employees, etc. The worse organized / represented people tend to be those who are more economically precarious and have less access to the media or civil society. It's this a million times. In Victoria for example we are 60% renters, but the desires of the home-owning class hold almost all the local political power. Why? They're organized and they vote. We could easily have a renter's coup in this city, jack property taxes way up, implement sweeping protections for renters and rental buildings, go full vienna. But we don't, because we're not organized, and so many people buy into their landlord's fear mongering that if X tenant protection or Y tax is passed they'll just have to take their apartment building to another more business friendly city.
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Sep 27, 2018 23:05
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It’s also a similar problem you get when it comes to union organization - nobody tends to want to go first, because they’re afraid of the retribution they might face if nobody else backs them up. Since these are people in generally financially precarious positions, they can’t afford to take that risk and end up staying silent. Then everybody looks around, sees nobody else standing up, and feels justified in their fear that nobody would support them if they spoke out.
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Sep 27, 2018 23:08
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https://twitter.com/EmmaLGraney/status/1045429215104045064 This seems like a dumb play for Kenney
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Sep 28, 2018 00:09
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apatheticman posted:https://twitter.com/EmmaLGraney/status/1045429215104045064 Yeah, well, he is really loving dumb, so it's not exactly surprising. EDIT: Cash bar, jfc, what a useless low-rent loving rear end in a top hat this corpulent oaf is.
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Sep 28, 2018 00:27
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PT6A posted:EDIT: Cash bar, jfc, what a useless low-rent loving rear end in a top hat this corpulent oaf is. Trust me, you do not want to see a bunch of Conservative politicos at an open bar.
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Sep 28, 2018 00:52
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infernal machines posted:Trust me, you do not want to see a bunch of Conservative politicos at an open bar. Oh but I do. It would be hilarious. Ralph Klein's drinking problem was the gift that kept on giving.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:09
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From what I've heard Kellie Leitch's leadership launch was pure debauchery
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Sep 28, 2018 01:13
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PT6A posted:Oh but I do. It would be hilarious. my mom worked at the nursing home that ralph klein died at and jesus christ he did not end his life on a high note, he got shoved into a normal hospice and his family barely visited him
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Sep 28, 2018 01:14
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Once, while Klein was premier, he got staggeringly drunk and then made his limo driver taken him to a homeless shelter at 1AM. He stumbled into the shelter and started screaming and swearing at the people there, telling them to get a job and how worthless they were and then throwing money onto the ground before storming off. So yeah, not exactly shocked to hear his family wanted nothing to do with him once he was too old and feeble to be useful to them.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:18
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InfiniteZero posted:You don't believe that there's some sort of isolationist ideology behind the current situation, right? We'll only accept a great deal for Canada. No deal is better than a bad deal. We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:28
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Hahahahahahaha no we gon' get screwed when the Liberals at the 11th hour go all 'welp we sold you all out sorry the spice must flow'
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Sep 28, 2018 01:41
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Sep 28, 2018 02:15
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Helsing posted:Once, while Klein was premier, he got staggeringly drunk and then made his limo driver taken him to a homeless shelter at 1AM. He stumbled into the shelter and started screaming and swearing at the people there, telling them to get a job and how worthless they were and then throwing money onto the ground before storming off. I think I've mentioned it before, but his brother wanders into my work from time to time to just chat and he's very nice.
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Sep 28, 2018 02:23
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BattleMaster posted:Doug Ford runs for Prime Minister and mysteriously changes his name to Vladimir Harkonnen So who is Feyd in this
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Sep 28, 2018 02:56
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Helsing posted:Once, while Klein was premier, he got staggeringly drunk and then made his limo driver taken him to a homeless shelter at 1AM. He stumbled into the shelter and started screaming and swearing at the people there, telling them to get a job and how worthless they were and then throwing money onto the ground before storming off. Oh god please let that be a true story
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zapplez posted:Oh god please let that be a true story Sure is. I remember the articles when it happened.
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Sep 28, 2018 03:37
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From a quick google search, here's the one from the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/dec/28/worlddispatch.annemcilroy
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Sep 28, 2018 03:51
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I think he means the dying alone in a hospice. The homeless shelter incident is a matter of record.
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Sep 28, 2018 04:07
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Not really important, but still nice to see everyone come together to condemn this shithead. https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1045471915060670464
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Sep 28, 2018 05:31
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Can we change the thread title to this picture somehow? https://twitter.com/Pepperfire/status/1045484153662296065
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Sep 28, 2018 05:39
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Furnaceface posted:So who is Feyd in this Hmm... Justin Trudeau.
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Sep 28, 2018 12:08
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nvm the 25 ward council is good nowquote:In Scarborough-Agincourt, Jim Karygiannis has a 3.3% lead over Norm Kelly among decided and leaning voters. Karygiannis has 47.3% while Kelly comes in with 44%. https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/mammoliti-behind-in-the-early-stages-of-municipal-campaign/
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Sep 28, 2018 14:28
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Mammo is losing too.
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Azerban posted:Mammo is losing too. quote:Mammoliti is tied with former public school trustee Tiffany Ford with 21.1% support Though I'd much rather replace Mammoliti with Ford than Peruzza.
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Sep 28, 2018 15:48
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BattleMaster posted:Doug Ford runs for Prime Minister and mysteriously changes his name to Vladimir Harkonnen Douggie's not cunning enough to be the Baron, he is Beast Rabban all the way
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Sep 28, 2018 19:42
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Unreported meetings with unregistered lobbyists, to commodify local drinking water supply for foreign business. More government for the people. Bonus: Jobs created were to be staffed by TFWs in company dorms.
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Sep 29, 2018 12:45
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Holy poo poo that's beyond the pale.
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Sep 29, 2018 13:38
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The best part is that the only reason anyone even found out about it is because Doug Ford is such a loving dumbass he mentioned his illegal meeting while trying to drop a sick burn on another MPP.
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Sep 29, 2018 13:45
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Who wants to bet Ford's kill count tops Harris? I was just going to say that maybe this would be enough to sink his administration early but nope ol Doug is going to let Ontarians drink in public, something that in itself I think is a good idea seeing as public drinking laws as written were just another salvo in the class and race cold war, but gently caress, it's just going to make that goober more popular.
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Sep 29, 2018 14:04
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EvilJoven posted:I was just going to say that maybe this would be enough to sink his administration early but nope ol Doug is going to let Ontarians drink in public, something that in itself I think is a good idea seeing as public drinking laws as written were just another salvo in the class and race cold war, but gently caress, it's just going to make that goober more popular. I guess the real question is: why does the Left always leave these low-hanging fruits to be picked by idiot populists? Stop giving the right these issues that obviously appeal to low-information, mostly apolitical voters.
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Sep 29, 2018 14:26
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Ontario need to stop Doug ford because he is a political black hole that will destroy any hope of a just system for Canadians. He is gently caress you got mine incarnated.
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Sep 29, 2018 14:32
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Because that would be appealing to the untermensch which is a cardinal sin amongst leftists.
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Sep 29, 2018 14:35
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PT6A posted:I guess the real question is: why does the Left always leave these low-hanging fruits to be picked by idiot populists? Stop giving the right these issues that obviously appeal to low-information, mostly apolitical voters. Sorry for the double post but the issue is the political left usually try to play by the rule and ethic (even if they are corrupt themselves to a point) and try to avoid being even mildly aggressive. If you do peaceful manifestation you are seen as weak or ineffectual, if you are doing anything remotely aggressive(blocking street, disturbing events) you are out of control. The right love to see themselves as rational agents. They will throw to the wolf anybody that is making wave or is emotional and then pat them on the back later for it when they think no ones are looking.
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Sep 29, 2018 14:38
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I must have missed 'the Left' being in power in Ontario recently
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JawKnee posted:I must have missed 'the Left' being in power in Ontario recently It was 30 years ago but the way the Liberals and PCs drag up Bob Rae every election you would think the guy never left the office.
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JawKnee posted:I must have missed 'the Left' being in power in Ontario recently Something has always befuddled me, I know it comes from the PCs moving further right, but I don't think the Liberals ever really left the centre position. Depending on the specific sub-party it could have like the slightest lean left or right, but I think overall they're really just full Centre for the most part with policies falling on either side of the margin.
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Syfe posted:Something has always befuddled me, I know it comes from the PCs moving further right, but I don't think the Liberals ever really left the centre position. Depending on the specific sub-party it could have like the slightest lean left or right, but I think overall they're really just full Centre for the most part with policies falling on either side of the margin. That's only because "sacrificing the poors to the invisible hand of the free market" is were the line between left and right is drawn these days.
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