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muckswirler
Oct 22, 2008

turn your monitor off

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jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong

Krankenstyle posted:

i refuse to believe people get up in the morning and go to work without being suicidal 100% of the time

what about those coworkers who seem to wake up 110% ready to huff the bosses' farts

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

jimmyjams posted:

what about those coworkers who seem to wake up 110% ready to huff the bosses' farts

pod people

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Wheany posted:

pod people

Media Bloodbath
Mar 1, 2018

PIVOT TO ETERNAL SUFFERING
:hb:
:hfive: broke brains buddies

If my parents weren't such laissez-faire hippies I'd have been diagnosed at a young age. Instead I only got help in my late 20s and completely burnt out a few years later.
I've now got a few months to try to figure out what kind of job I'd hate the least. Shoutout to the socialist government from decades ago for allowing me live a life of self perceived terror instead of actually inflicting it. poo poo's hard though as I never managed to figure out what I actually want to do with my life. e/n out

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
join the french foreign legion...to forget...

Media Bloodbath
Mar 1, 2018

PIVOT TO ETERNAL SUFFERING
:hb:
I don't think they take my kind of crazy.

Maybe I should just become an entrepreneur and lie my rear end off until I secure series A and extract.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Krankenstyle posted:

i refuse to believe people get up in the morning and go to work without being suicidal 100% of the time

we all know you live in Northern Europe - no need to brag about it

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

~*lukecagefan69*~


Pillbug

Sagebrush posted:

yeah no, i don't have ADD, but the opposite. like a single-track mind. i focus really well for long periods but am poo poo at multitasking. songs with lyrics for instance disable the writing part of my brain.

when i was in 4th grade though the teacher thought i was slow and sent me to get an iq test and, like every other yosposter, it came back "no he's pretty smart, just quiet and doesn't care"

not diagnosing you or anything but these are literally ADHD traits you're describing, people with ADHD will often hyper focus on one thing for an extended period of time to the detriment of other things going on and are significantly worse at multitasking than normal people

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Munkeymon posted:

we all know you live in Northern Europe - no need to brag about it

holy poo poo i would be 200% suicidal in america

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

music with lyrics is generally distracting for most people, especially compared to music with no lyrics. it can be somewhat mitigated if you're super familiar with the music. there were a ton of studies about how classical music is way better for learning that pop music, etc. but when people did more research it was the lack of lyrics that was the significant difference not the instruments/arrangement of classical.

this is why I listen to dj mixes while I work [and sometimes classical]

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


qirex posted:

music with lyrics is generally distracting for most people, especially compared to music with no lyrics. it can be somewhat mitigated if you're super familiar with the music. there were a ton of studies about how classical music is way better for learning that pop music, etc. but when people did more research it was the lack of lyrics that was the significant difference not the instruments/arrangement of classical.

this is why I listen to dj mixes while I work [and sometimes classical]

classical composers were the first djs if u think about it

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



aaaaaaaahhhhhgggggg just fund public transport

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

"This was a jumping-off point to inform what the community really wants," Bopp told Crain's. "... From there, we're going to let the audience dictate where this works."

Bedrock is paying Chariot to operate the free rides for employees as a pilot program, with plans of expanding the downtown commuter service to be open to the general public, Bopp said.

Bedrock declined to disclose the cost of Chariot's service.

"Once the service has really gained traction, our goal is to make these routes public facing," Bopp said. "We're building a demand case scenario internally. And then we look to make this publicly accessible."



lol

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

qirex posted:

music with lyrics is generally distracting for most people, especially compared to music with no lyrics. it can be somewhat mitigated if you're super familiar with the music. there were a ton of studies about how classical music is way better for learning that pop music, etc. but when people did more research it was the lack of lyrics that was the significant difference not the instruments/arrangement of classical.

this is why I listen to dj mixes while I work [and sometimes classical]

I have a di.fm subscription specifically for this. They really need a "trace but never ever lyrics" station.

I really should start expensing it to the company.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

NOP sled fred posted:

not diagnosing you or anything but these are literally ADHD traits you're describing, people with ADHD will often hyper focus on one thing for an extended period of time to the detriment of other things going on and are significantly worse at multitasking than normal people

and this is the problem with doing mental health over the internet. so many disorders have such a broad range of symptoms that literally everyone on earth displays some of them sometimes, and many of the symptoms are just exaggerated versions of normal human behaviors. everyone gets sad sometimes but that's not depression. everyone focuses better on some things than on others but that's not ADHD. but non-professionals don't know where to draw the line between normal variation and pathology.

like, people might read this diagnostic criterion:

quote:

Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless doing something they find enjoyable

and think
- well obviously i like to do things that are enjoyable to me and i focus well on those
- things that are not enjoyable i suppose are, by definition, boring or tiring
- i do get bored when doing something i don't enjoy, and would rather be doing something else
- oh no do I have ADD??

but that's not ADD at all. my father was a psychiatrist, my mother was a special ed teacher, I know what actual ADD/ADHD is and it isn't "i like to do things i like and get bored doing things i don't." it also is not "i focus really well for long periods and have trouble quickly switching to something else."

i mean if you wanted to put me on an internet diagnosis that really sounds more like a :spergin: thing doesn't it

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Sep 28, 2018

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
i don't need doctors or other wizards to tell me that i'm retarded that's what the internet is for

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
just take some essential oils or go for a walk or some poo poo.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

also while we're on the subject, all the latest psychology research shows that "multitasking" is a fallacy, and that people are not capable of mentally handling more than one thing at a time. so-called multitaskers are switching their attention rapidly from one task to another, still only doing one at a time. notably, this means that a multitasker doing e.g. three tasks at once performs no better (and in many cases worse) than someone who just does the three tasks in sequence.

obviously in some situations there are benefits to juggling multiple things at once, but the idea that you can improve your results or save time overall by "multitasking" is wrong.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 28, 2018

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
the one that i saw about it showed that people who think they're "good at multitasking" are even worse at it than the control group

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
um i think youll all find that my unfounded anecdote trumps any "reserach". also my eyes turn a different color when i'm mad.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

President Beep posted:

um i think youll all find that my unfounded anecdote trumps any "reserach". also my eyes turn a different color when i'm mad.

when i was younger and dumber i briefly dated a girl who told me that her eyes changed color, and i got excited and told her all about iris pigmentation and natural vs. artificial light spectra and color rendering indices and how your eyes do appear to change color depending on the colors available in the type of illumination you're using, isn't that super cool, of course they can't actually change color though hahaha

emphasis on "briefly"

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Sagebrush posted:

when i was younger and dumber i briefly dated a girl who told me that her eyes changed color, and i got excited and told her all about iris pigmentation and natural vs. artificial light spectra and color rendering indices and how your eyes do appear to change color depending on the sort of illumination you're using, isn't that super cool, of course they can't actually change color though hahaha

emphasis on "briefly"

all hail the king of the goons

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Sagebrush posted:

obviously in some situations there are benefits to juggling multiple things at once, but the idea that you can improve your results or save time overall by "multitasking" is wrong.

yeah a bunch of tasks in computer touching can be parallelised, like working on thing a while thing b is crunching data in the background or whatever, because it's really the computer doing it, and i just figure that's what people mean when they say they're multitasking

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Sagebrush posted:

also while we're on the subject, all the latest psychology research shows that "multitasking" is a fallacy, and that people are not capable of mentally handling more than one thing at a time. so-called multitaskers are switching their attention rapidly from one task to another, still only doing one at a time. notably, this means that a multitasker doing e.g. three tasks at once performs no better (and in many cases worse) than someone who just does the three tasks in sequence.

obviously in some situations there are benefits to juggling multiple things at once, but the idea that you can improve your results or save time overall by "multitasking" is wrong.

two or three PI's spearheaded this research, among them cliff nass, who i worked for for a while before he died

he told me that in order to get a phenomenon named after you, you have to be the undisputed PI of the lab it was actually made in and then name it so poorly that they just stop using that name and call it after you. he tried with a few statistical things he invented but failed

in true professor style, he still multitasked all the fuckin time. his kid was a professional magic the gathering player. he helped make microsoft bob and annoyed the poo poo out of microsoft about not doing clippy the way they did clippy

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Truga posted:

yeah a bunch of tasks in computer touching can be parallelised, like working on thing a while thing b is crunching data in the background or whatever, because it's really the computer doing it, and i just figure that's what people mean when they say they're multitasking

well yeah that's fine. cooking dinner while the laundry is in the dryer is "multitasking" but that's not what people mean. you'll meet folks who actually believe they can, say, write emails while simultaneously talking to someone on the phone and looking over a spreadsheet, and save time by doing them all at once. inevitably either (1) they don't save any time, would have finished them in the same time by doing each in sequence, and they just act frazzled and disorganized or (2) they just do all of the tasks poorly. or both

i hypothesize that there's a strong correlation between self-identified multitaskers and people who crash their cars while texting.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

well yeah that's fine. cooking dinner while the laundry is in the dryer is "multitasking" but that's not what people mean. you'll meet folks who actually believe they can, say, write emails while simultaneously talking to someone on the phone and looking over a spreadsheet, and save time by doing them all at once. inevitably either (1) they don't save any time, would have finished them in the same time by doing each in sequence, and they just act frazzled and disorganized or (2) they just do all of the tasks poorly. or both

i hypothesize that there's a strong correlation between self-identified multitaskers and people who crash their cars while texting.

except just keeping multiple things in mind *is* rather what people mean, and i think this research is the classic kind that is true but misses the point

effective mental timers and broad awareness of the world even when preforming talks does summarize multitasking to me

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
yeah, i do sometimes type while talking to people, and i'm sure it shows in my post quality actually all my posts suck

for real tho, that's about the most i can manage of "multitasking": finishing a sentence i was already typing while looking away from the screen because someone started talking to me. i'm generally terrible at it though, most people talk about how they watch tv or listen to podcasts while playing games and i legit can't do that since i lose the thread of one or the other thing constantly.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
just lol if you can't post and pound offat teh smae tiem

NyetscapeNavigator
Sep 22, 2003

ate all the Oreos posted:

before i got meds to treat it i was pretty much only ever productive (as in able to focus and engage with what i was doing for a whole day) for like, one or two days each month, if that, and i just figured this was normal because i'd never experienced anything else. i also had a bunch of impulse control problems where i wouldn't think before doing something like telling my boss to go shove it, and whenever i'd go through a doorway i'd forget what i was doing. i know that last one happens to everyone sometimes because of the way the brain manages spaces and thresholds but it didn't happen to me sometimes, it happened to me pretty much every time.

now i'm actually functioning like a real actual adult and i'm super mad this wasn't caught as a kid because if i started taking them then i'd probably be shorter and skinnier since they have a tendency to suppress appetite and make the growth plates fuse before they normally should so i could have maybe been a small cute twink instead of whatever the hell 6'3" monstrosity i am now :argh:

oh also i probably wouldn't have hosed up college nearly as bad but who cares about that

I think I might talk to my doc about this. I always just assumed I was a terrible procrastinator/lazy. Like if something is urgent and needs to be done now, or it's a problem I find interesting, I will just crush it immediately. But if there's something that doesn't have a deadline or high urgency and it doesn't interest me it just doesn't get done. I will just gently caress off and do literally anything but stop and focus on it. A buddy of mine's life changed after he got ADD meds as an adult like 10 years ago.

NyetscapeNavigator fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Sep 28, 2018

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

again, if you choose not to do something that (1) doesn't have high urgency and (2) doesn't interest you, instead choosing to do something more interesting or timely, that is normal human behavior.

if you think that your procrastination is negatively impacting your life then sure, absolutely speak to a doctor/therapist, that's the definition of a pathology. maybe you do have ADD. maybe you could develop some strategies to help.

but don't confuse the protestant work ethic (or rather your lack thereof) with a medical disorder.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



oh cool when I get a bunch of video links in a Google search and want to remove them adding '-video' to the search just adds more loving video links thanks for breaking that feature too you assholes

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



on a related note does anyone know the source of that quote about something (someone? ) bouncing around smashing up your place that ends in it/them going out the window?

having trouble finding it based on vague recollections of the contents

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Munkeymon posted:

on a related note does anyone know the source of that quote about something (someone? ) bouncing around smashing up your place that ends in it/them going out the window?

having trouble finding it based on vague recollections of the contents

i think this is the original

quote:

"feminism?!" newsmonster kramers in the door and just keeps kramering, sliding off around the room, bouncing against walls. he kramers against your toilet, busting it up big time. you get the feeling he's trying to say something to you but he's kramering at such a high velocity you just can't quite make it out. as he finally nails a window and falls out you think you hear him exclaim "I'm a feminist, that's what's so CRAZY about this" on the way down

but there are a million variations now

i have no recollection of the original context

Enderzero
Jun 19, 2001

The snowflake button makes it
cold cold cold
Set temperature makes it
hold hold hold

qirex posted:

music with lyrics is generally distracting for most people, especially compared to music with no lyrics. it can be somewhat mitigated if you're super familiar with the music. there were a ton of studies about how classical music is way better for learning that pop music, etc. but when people did more research it was the lack of lyrics that was the significant difference not the instruments/arrangement of classical.

this is why I listen to dj mixes while I work [and sometimes classical]

for me lyrical music is the other way around. I can sort of deal with it if I don't know the song but if I do, I'm busy reproducing the song in my head as it goes and that seems to use all of my language processing capacity and I can't think about whatever I'm doing. But of course if I don't know the song I don't know if I will want to listen to it, so it's lyric-less video game music for me. I wonder if this has been studied at all - like the harmony and rhythm processing and language processing are distinct enough to be activated separately.

also wonder if people who can listen to lyrical music are also the types who can fall asleep with a tv on. I try that and I will never sleep because I'm just endlessly processing the words being said, even if it's at a low volume

NyetscapeNavigator
Sep 22, 2003

Sagebrush posted:

again, if you choose not to do something that (1) doesn't have high urgency and (2) doesn't interest you, instead choosing to do something more interesting or timely, that is normal human behavior.

if you think that your procrastination is negatively impacting your life then sure, absolutely speak to a doctor/therapist, that's the definition of a pathology. maybe you do have ADD. maybe you could develop some strategies to help.

but don't confuse the protestant work ethic (or rather your lack thereof) with a medical disorder.

I've never really sought any professional help because I've managed to become a well paid computer toucher despite it, but it's maddening when there's a thing you know you should do but you end up seeking some distraction anyways.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

NyetscapeNavigator posted:

it's maddening when there's a thing you know you should do but you end up seeking some distraction anyways.

my_posting.txt

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Truga posted:

yeah, i do sometimes type while talking to people, and i'm sure it shows in my post quality actually all my posts suck

for real tho, that's about the most i can manage of "multitasking": finishing a sentence i was already typing while looking away from the screen because someone started talking to me. i'm generally terrible at it though, most people talk about how they watch tv or listen to podcasts while playing games and i legit can't do that since i lose the thread of one or the other thing constantly.

for me it's more like i can't NOT have youtube or a podcast or something I don't really have to pay attention to on in the background. Otherwise I... can't pay attention to what I'm actually doing, or don't start in the first place, just kinda sit dazed/distracted/bored

at one point i decided i'd bring up the possibility of inattentive ADHD with my doctor, then i remembered that adderall and ritalin are the usual treatments, and got scared off

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Sagebrush posted:

again, if you choose not to do something that (1) doesn't have high urgency and (2) doesn't interest you, instead choosing to do something more interesting or timely, that is normal human behavior.

if you think that your procrastination is negatively impacting your life then sure, absolutely speak to a doctor/therapist, that's the definition of a pathology. maybe you do have ADD. maybe you could develop some strategies to help.

but don't confuse the protestant work ethic (or rather your lack thereof) with a medical disorder.

also if you take ADD meds aka clean meth and fine that you have more interest in mundane tasks and an easier time concentrating

well yeah youre on meth. it does that

ofc my position on "well ADD isn't real anyway" is maybe we should make meth OTC then

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FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Sagebrush posted:

i have no recollection of the original context
the original context was a 1990s tv show called 'seinfeld'

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