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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:not sure lethal force would be justified (legally), but otherwise am 100 percent for socialists with CC. it was at the monthly social event, and a bit tricky since if you have members packing at a bar and drinking you might run into some trouble. but there's no law saying you can't carry spray of your own... See if KY has stand your ground. If true. Then, probably could legally put the subhumans in the dirt. Let's be honest, the only way to stop this poo poo is if at least one of them gets put down.
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Pulling a gun in a bar seems like a really bad idea.
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yeah lol. also i don't think shooting someone over pepper spray is a super good idea even if it may be technically legal in a stand your ground state edit: this doesn't mean people shouldn't be armed if they're being harassed/threatened Uranium 235 has issued a correction as of 13:13 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Sep 28, 2018 13:10
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I love how goons immediately go for "bring a gun" instead of "hire security"
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Sep 28, 2018 13:16
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I love how goons immediately go for "bring a gun" instead of "hire security" we're diy people at heart
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Sep 28, 2018 13:17
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why hire security (and probably get a bunch of fash-adjacent chuds) when you can *be* security
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I love how goons immediately go for "bring a gun" instead of "hire security" How much money have you got for bodyguards?
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chitoryu12 posted:How much money have you got for bodyguards? I'm sure there's some comrades around Louisville who could work as bouncers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry01r0NYmmM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GzVsDjbFoA quote:Far-right governments in Eastern Europe are rehabilitating past Nazi collaborators as national heroes, rewriting the history of the Holocaust to turn the Soviet Union into the villain. Historian Dovid Katz explains how the fascist-apologist "double genocide" myth is spreading.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry01r0NYmmM Oh hey something the American Right, like Reason magazine is directly responsible for. Seriously if this leads RUssia after Putin kicks it to go nazbol and just flatten the area, good on them.
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Sep 28, 2018 13:56
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm sure there's some comrades around Louisville who could work as bouncers. So if we're asking private individuals to act as security instead of hiring professionals, what makes that different from learning to fight and carrying a concealed weapon yourself? Other than patting yourself on the back for insisting on letting other people get their hands dirty for you.
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Sep 28, 2018 14:41
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chitoryu12 posted:So if we're asking private individuals to act as security instead of hiring professionals, what makes that different from learning to fight and carrying a concealed weapon yourself? Other than patting yourself on the back for insisting on letting other people get their hands dirty for you. The DSA shouldn't be in the business of being a paramilitary group.
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Sep 28, 2018 14:47
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The DSA shouldn't be in the business of being a paramilitary group. Fine, then ask Antifa to protect you.
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh hey something the American Right, like Reason magazine is directly responsible for. Seriously if this leads RUssia after Putin kicks it to go nazbol and just flatten the area, good on them. russian nazbols dont like jews and ethnic minorities either my dude
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The DSA shouldn't be in the business of being a paramilitary group. Protecting yourself from people jumping out of trucks with bats and pipes isn't "being a paramilitary group" you weirdo.
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Sep 28, 2018 14:49
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Crowsbeak posted:Fine, then ask Antifa to protect you. I dunno why the idea of having your own security is so offensive to you guys.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:also throwing chairs at the dude could work too For real though if the cops were sympathetic to the fash agitators going in and pepper spraying people who were trying to eat and not fighting back, what would their reaction have been if they saw chairs and punches being thrown at their friends? It was a set-up, they were trying to start a fight they knew they would win. I think the entire point of the incident was to provoke a violent response so when the cops came they would start busting heads and arresting people. It's pretty obvious who would NOT have been arrested. Delivering some instant karma is satisfying to think about, but in this particular scenario I think the DSA people did the right thing. It was a pain in the rear end and their eyes hurt for a few hours, but now they have an opportunity to make the WN and some of their cop buddies' eyes water and butts hurt for a lot longer, in front of a much larger audience. The WN are the ones who are disappointed that nobody threw a chair at them.
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The best thing to do is record everything you possibly can. Get the fascist faces on the internet and let the world know what they've done.
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Sep 28, 2018 14:53
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Syd Midnight posted:For real though if the cops were sympathetic to the fash agitators going in and pepper spraying people who were trying to eat and not fighting back, what would their reaction have been if they saw chairs and punches being thrown at their friends? It was a set-up, they were trying to start a fight they knew they would win. I think the entire point of the incident was to provoke a violent response so when the cops came they would start busting heads and arresting people. It's pretty obvious who would NOT have been arrested. Nah, WN can only be dealt with by violence. The ideal nation will be one where anyone on nazi boards would have their ip logged, and then their house assaulted by security services that would then take them to a center where they can be properly taught to love the world and fear God.
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Sep 28, 2018 14:55
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Crowsbeak posted:Nah, WN can only be dealt with by violence. The ideal nation will be one where anyone on nazi boards would have their ip logged, and then their house assaulted by security services that would then take them to a center where they can be properly taught to love the world and fear God. Yeah but the point here is that violence is only the answer if you can win. There's not much point in violently responding to fascists if all you're going to do is prove to the fascists that they can, in fact, kick your rear end.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Yeah but the point here is that violence is only the answer if you can win. There's not much point in violently responding to fascists if all you're going to do is prove to the fascists that they can, in fact, kick your rear end. If you put bullets into them they're not going to kick your rear end. They're going to be dead, awaiting the lake of fire.
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Syd Midnight posted:For real though if the cops were sympathetic to the fash agitators going in and pepper spraying people who were trying to eat and not fighting back, what would their reaction have been if they saw chairs and punches being thrown at their friends? It was a set-up, they were trying to start a fight they knew they would win. I think the entire point of the incident was to provoke a violent response so when the cops came they would start busting heads and arresting people. It's pretty obvious who would NOT have been arrested.
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chitoryu12 posted:Protecting yourself from people jumping out of trucks with bats and pipes isn't "being a paramilitary group" you weirdo. This is totally true, and self-protection also includes knowing what to do in situations that aren't as clear-cut. I hope that legal advice is being given along with self-defense tips, because the fash absolutely get pointers from sleazy lawyers and cops on how to push legal boundaries or stay within the word of the law. And even then they're not very good at it, so if you can teach people what laws they are trying to goad them into breaking, then it's the chuds who will make the mistakes that can be used against them in court. Being Clever is a battle they've got serious disadvantages in, they can only win if they literally or metaphorically catch you in an ambush that they planned out thinking you'll be unprepared if you don't see it coming. I know this is done before protests but it might be good to reinforce that a fight can last weeks & months after the last punch is thrown, so don't get blindsided by a civil suit or something. Ghost Leviathan posted:The best thing to do is record everything you possibly can. Get the fascist faces on the internet and let the world know what they've done. Yeah, they'll probably be recording it too because the internet believes anything it sees in a 30 second retweeted video, and it's always wonderful to see one get owned by a longer "Here's the whole thing, for context" reply.
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smart option is just go back to the bar, business as usual and see if it happens again. If it does try to bulldog the owner into raising a stink about the cops letting people gently caress with his livelyhood
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chitoryu12 posted:Protecting yourself from people jumping out of trucks with bats and pipes isn't "being a paramilitary group" you weirdo. Any political group that arms itself and trains in the use of weapons is a paramilitary group. If you're advocating that individual DSA members try to be the Good Guy With A Gun that's an even worse idea. When fascists actually are jumping out of trucks with bats and pipes to beat people to death then we can talk about an armed wing of the DSA (lmao), but until then you're massively over escalating in response to a pepper spray attack. This is one of the dumbest reactions you can possibly have.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Any political group that arms itself and trains in the use of weapons is a paramilitary group. If you're advocating that individual DSA members try to be the Good Guy With A Gun that's an even worse idea. When fascists actually are jumping out of trucks with bats and pipes to beat people to death then we can talk about an armed wing of the DSA (lmao), but until then you're massively over escalating in response to a pepper spray attack. The guy you're responding insists he grew up in the ghetto and the only reason he isn't dead right now is because he has 900 guns. You're not going to reach him.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Any political group that arms itself and trains in the use of weapons is a paramilitary group. If you're advocating that individual DSA members try to be the Good Guy With A Gun that's an even worse idea. When fascists actually are jumping out of trucks with bats and pipes to beat people to death then we can talk about an armed wing of the DSA (lmao), but until then you're massively over escalating in response to a pepper spray attack. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/16/portland-proud-boys-alleged-attack-man-patriot-prayer-joey-gibson quote:Ledwith said the attack happened in a busy shopping area in Portland at around 2.30pm on Friday 8 June. Toese and two other men had been yelling at strangers from a truck, he said. fool_of_sound posted:The guy you're responding insists he grew up in the ghetto and the only reason he isn't dead right now is because he has 900 guns. You're not going to reach him. No? I've never grown up in the ghetto and I own 4 guns (one of which is a single-shot shotgun and one is broken). Who the hell are you thinking of?
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Hmm, nope, not something you should murder a human being over. Carry pepper spray or a taser or a baton if you're worried about being punched, but don't shoot people over it unless they're trying to kill you. e: lol chitoryu12 posted:Someone living in a poor area with high crime is in more danger of generally living there than they are of cops shooting them because they have a gun. I'm a strong advocate of firearms being available to the poor because they're often the ones in the greatest need of self-defense and the least able to rely on police to keep them safe. chitoryu12 posted:I didn't grow up rich, buddy. I still live in a neighborhood where I've been subjected to car theft and attempted break-ins. Sorry you just expect the cops to protect you if you're in danger. chitoryu12 posted:Growing up in this neighborhood I've had: chitoryu12 posted:I have literally used a gun to protect someone.
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fool_of_sound posted:Hmm, nope, not something you should murder a human being over. I agree 100%. Good thing chuds aren't human, only humanoid.
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Phi230 posted:I agree 100%. Good thing chuds aren't human, only humanoid. Cool fascist rhetoric in the neonazi thread. Tell me how they're NPCs next.
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fool_of_sound posted:Cool fascist rhetoric Yeah lmao loving up reactionaries is so fascist Go be a nazi sympathizer somewhere else
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Phi230 posted:Yeah lmao loving up reactionaries is so fascist Keep jerking off to the idea of murdering people I guess
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fool_of_sound posted:Keep jerking off to the idea of murdering people I guess Extremely lol in the context that the right wing is literally murdering people rn
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i wouldnt kill a dude but i did lol when that one WN wrecked his truck and burned to death a while back
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