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Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Grey Hunter posted:

Please subscribe, I like to see pretty numbers go up. makes me feel all important.

Oh yeah, I meant to say. I'm subscribed; but you also post your roleplaying game recordings there, and so I don't always pay attention to the update notifications, and so it's still kinda cool that you mention you did updates here, too. Plus that's probably the main way to get new subscribers.

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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
It going to be possible to swing the KB up to around Truk to see if you can catch the BB's or not? Or Truk have any bombers left you might throw on them? At least you hurt the USN there without taking losses of your own raiders.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ron Jeremy posted:

What happens if you attack into a city in a firestorm

that shouldn't have an effect on the land combat calculations

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

27 September 1944

USS Plaice torpedoes escort No. 10 in the East China Sea. Southeast of Aberdeen, HMS Rockingham (one of the old Lend-Lease destroyers, then serving as an aircrew target trainer) sinks after striking a mine.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


gradenko_2000 posted:

that shouldn't have an effect on the land combat calculations

Lol this game

Gotta admit that hundreds of thousands of men fighting a bloody street battle in the middle of a roaring self-sustaining fire tornado is metal as gently caress though

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Ron Jeremy posted:

:golfclap:


What happens if you attack into a city in a firestorm

Defender: terrain(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.
I suppose the only place the CVE Wake Island should get bombed is right by Wake Island.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Serpentis posted:

I suppose the only place the CVE Wake Island should get bombed is right by Wake Island.

The Greyverse has sent everyone crazy. Naming a ship after enemy-held territory?

It'd be like the Royal Navy commissioning a ship as the HMS Munich or something during WWII

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
Its to celebrate the wave after wave of brave boys sent to try and take it.

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.

simplefish posted:

The Greyverse has sent everyone crazy. Naming a ship after enemy-held territory?

It'd be like the Royal Navy commissioning a ship as the HMS Munich or something during WWII

Grey Hunter posted:

Its to celebrate the wave after wave of brave boys sent to try and take it.

Commemorate or commiserate perhaps...

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

simplefish posted:

The Greyverse has sent everyone crazy. Naming a ship after enemy-held territory?

It'd be like the Royal Navy commissioning a ship as the HMS Munich or something during WWII

it'd be more like HMS Guernsey, fairly reasonable

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

simplefish posted:

The Greyverse has sent everyone crazy. Naming a ship after enemy-held territory?

The ship, in real history, was renamed Wake Island, to honor the American troops who were killed when the Japanese took the island. It was enemy territory when the ship was named. The Japanese there didnt surrender until the war was over.

Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever

The unsinkable West Virginia returns!

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench
Do fires consume more supplies than repairing airfields?

Pershing
Feb 21, 2010

John "Black Jack" Pershing
Hard Fucking Core

...and we thought Chinese revanchism against the Japanese was bad in our timeline.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

CannonFodder posted:

Do fires consume more supplies than repairing airfields?

Ate supplies physical things that can be destroyed by the fire? What about when a land unit retreats out of a hex? Do they need transport to be able to move the supplies with them?

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



Ron Jeremy posted:

Ate supplies physical things that can be destroyed by the fire? What about when a land unit retreats out of a hex? Do they need transport to be able to move the supplies with them?

No to the first question. As to the second, hard to say. Overland supply movement is (wait for it) very complicated. Units do carry some supplies with them and can draw supplies from nearby. I’m not sure what determines how many supplies the unit carries and how many they bring with them when leaving a hex. Maybe support?

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Pershing posted:

...and we thought Chinese revanchism against the Japanese was bad in our timeline.

By the end of this campaign I'm not sure if they'll be any Chinese.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Wake takes a hammering.



Our carrier groups battle through flak to get some hits in.






I seem to have a limit of one Beufort kill at a time.



We have no limit on Thunderbolts.






The carriers are having a nice comeback tour!

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Tanks make a hell of a lot of difference.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
What do you think your odds are on being able to get any kills of the CVE's and the Battleships? WIth the damage you've inflicted on them already and how much they're staying in the area?

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
What is even going on with allied air power? Are all those Beauforts piloted by five year RAF vets and the Yanks just have the greenest recruits possible?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

CannonFodder posted:

Do fires consume more supplies than repairing airfields?

Firestorms cause Industry points to be damaged, and also a chance to be permanently destroyed.

I do not know how many supplies it takes to repair an industry point compared to airfields.

Ron Jeremy posted:

Ate supplies physical things that can be destroyed by the fire? What about when a land unit retreats out of a hex? Do they need transport to be able to move the supplies with them?

No, firestorms will not destroy supply points directly.

When a land unit retreats out of a hex, they will lose supplies as a result of that movement.

Not technically, no - the amount of supplies that a unit "carries" isn't dependent on the amount of "support" that it has, but a unit that lacks its full complement of "supply" devices will perform worse in combat and move slower on the map.

A "Supply" device, in this sense, represents human porters, beasts of burden, and other such logistical units. Allied units tend to have "motorized support" devices, to represent that their logistical support uses trucks and half-tracks.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

wedgekree posted:

What do you think your odds are on being able to get any kills of the CVE's and the Battleships? WIth the damage you've inflicted on them already and how much they're staying in the area?

the CVE's are toast, the battleships are a harder task - though we may well have put them in drydock for a month!

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

At least 3 bomb hits should have blown off some AAA.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

3 bomb hits barely scratched the paint.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

saintonan posted:

3 bomb hits barely scratched the paint.

Yeah, BBs need torpedoes to take them out.



And thanks for the replies about supplies.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

CannonFodder posted:

Yeah, BBs need torpedoes to take them out.



And thanks for the replies about supplies.

Tell that to the Arizona.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

MA-Horus posted:

Tell that to the Arizona.

Arizona was a combination of extremely (un)lucky hit and a "bomb" that was really a modified battleship 16" AP shell (which the Japanese had specially designed for the attack).

With that said, typical loadout of Judys seems to have been a single 500kg (1000 lb) bomb, which is going to leave a bit more than a scratch. 3 hits of them isn't generally going to endanger a battleship, no, but they are going to cause a fair bit of upper structure damage. If they were really dropping smaller bombs (which they occasionally carried instead) then "a scratch" might be closer to the truth.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






One of our subs pops up to say hello.



He then sticks around.



My Betties pick off a ship that is to close to Rabaul.






I could have done with them not having had yesterday off. We're back to where we started.






More transport planes have arrived at Rabul, so I will be able to send more supplies to Manus.



Not a bad day of ship killing!

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grey waht are your currently active LPs? You're doing your video LP here and Combat Mission but i think ther was something else right?

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Lord Koth posted:

Arizona was a combination of extremely (un)lucky hit and a "bomb" that was really a modified battleship 16" AP shell (which the Japanese had specially designed for the attack).

With that said, typical loadout of Judys seems to have been a single 500kg (1000 lb) bomb, which is going to leave a bit more than a scratch. 3 hits of them isn't generally going to endanger a battleship, no, but they are going to cause a fair bit of upper structure damage. If they were really dropping smaller bombs (which they occasionally carried instead) then "a scratch" might be closer to the truth.

Yeah ok I don't disagree with you there.

Gray how far are you from bouncing rubble in Chunking? Is there anything left to level?

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
Pretty sure he hasn't even permanently dented Chunking yet.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Mans posted:

Grey waht are your currently active LPs? You're doing your video LP here and Combat Mission but i think ther was something else right?

just that, the CYOA and the RPG game.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Bloody active subs.






We hit a troop ship.



Another day of heavy fighting over Rabaul.






We push up the fires.



MORE FIRE!






More Allied carriers – bigger ones from the number of planes – they never even see our ships.



Sadly, neither does our own anaemic strike.



Dammit, their going in piecemeal.






Right, time to do the maths, I've sorted the one training mission that ignored the “everything of this type” command, and I think we can have a go at Day 2! I am moving the fleet towards Guam however, to get some ground support!

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Grey Hunter fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Sep 30, 2018

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Reading Shattered Sword right now, and aside from how hilariously bad an idea Middway was (the author kind of conclusively shits all over the entire Japanese battleplan, and he's really not wrong, from virtually any perspective), it really gives a good glimpse into how much a clusterfuck carrier-based warfare was at the end of the early war. The ways you can die on a warship in WW2 are varied and all pretty horrible - aside from some good ol' fashion industrial accident, serious medical emergency (appendicitis, for example), or just plain falling off a ship, there's also fun ones like: dying in an inferno on a Japanese carrier, drowning in a sinking ship, or flying off to strike at an enemy carrier then never finding it and then having to ditch in the ocean (to never be found).

Seriously, ship to ship warfare in the Pacific during WW2 is downright hellish. Add in the fun fact that the water (in most of the Pacific) was not cold enough to kill you quickly (like in the North Atlantic), and you also get the added insult of succumbing to physical exhaustion or sharks after your ship sinks.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
At what point in human history has ship to ship warfare not been hellish?

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


I'm calling it, ships were a dumb idea

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Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






This sub dies with big dreams.



We get in the first strike – losses are high, but we set two fleet carriers one fire – the Intrepid reports include an ammunition explosion!



Both ships are there in the afternoon, and at least one is able to get planes into the air.






Lets see if we can push past this, otherwise I'll switch to ground bombardment.






Heavy losses, but they are replaceable, and the Allies are down a couple of carriers for a few months!



Your target report was probably what allowed us to get the drop on them. You died as heroes.






The only thing to really change this month is the vanishing ability to win – I now need 9,500 points for auto-victory.



I just wish they would do something!



Aircraft losses have been lower on both sides this month.



I'm going to switch a few Tojo factories to franks. I'm upgunning engine production for the 45s, but it's going slower than I would like.



This one always makes me happy.



This should spike a bit now the carriers are back!

All in all, another good month -I'm not in full retreat, and that's a very good thing.

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