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Finger Prince posted:I disagree with this way of thinking. They've been subject to American, Russian, and Israeli airstrikes for years. It could be that the countermeasures used by the attackers are very effective, and that this is the first time they finally managed to successfully lock a target and destroy it (oops it was the Ilyushin with no IFF system). They've probably been firing SAMs at ghosts for years unreported. That doesn't make them lazy and incompetent. Maybe my accusations were unfair, the bit about chlorine gas clouded my judgement somewhat.
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Growler flying through the Brisbane CBD in preparation for a festival on the weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B70UByzWAyY Not my video but drat they've got a great vantage point
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F-35B down in South Carolina: https://www.10tv.com/article/f-35b-military-plane-crashes-coastal-south-carolina Happening just after the first reported US combat mission with the type as well
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Its good to know our tax dollars is already helping to dig holes in the ground. Glad the pilot ejected safely though.
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see mention of the 737 that thought-he-could be a submarine.
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An accidental Sully.
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Godholio posted:Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see mention of the 737 that thought-he-could be a submarine. BurgerQuest posted:http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-28/flight-lands-in-a-lagoon-off-micronesia/10316434 Looks like that’s it, though.
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I wonder how many hours that pilot had, to reach a 0-fatality ditching whether on purpose or accidentally. Probably several thousand at the very least, right Sully/US Congress? 
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From the CNN article:quote:"At this point, it is still unclear whether the aircraft overshot the end of the runway or ditched in the lagoon before reaching the runway," JACDEC said. How can it possibly be unclear? The plane seems to be pretty much intact in the photos and one of the passengers is quoted as saying he didn't know it was anything worse than a rough landing until water started coming in, so it seems like it's safe to assume it's still facing the same direction it was on approach and didn't get spun around. Is the runway in front of or behind it? Seems like this would be pretty straightforward to determine.
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Particularly given the high angle of the camera, I'm guessing that plane rolled off the end and is being photographed from shore, and it shouldn't be that hard for anyone to determine this (edit - to be clear, exactly as you're insinuating) Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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A skydiving instructor in Maine somehow became separated from his charge during a tandem dive. Results were fatal.
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Platystemon posted:A skydiving instructor in Maine somehow became separated from his charge during a tandem dive. That's bizarre. How the hell does that happen?
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Platystemon posted:A skydiving instructor in Maine somehow became separated from his charge during a tandem dive.
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standard.deviant posted:I'm really confused as to how the student was the one to survive. Same also New England and Lebanon.
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How did the student survive? The instructor had the parachute.
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FrozenVent posted:How did the student survive? The instructor had the parachute. I, also, am confused. The articles say absolutely nothing about the student jumper.
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The implication seems to be that the instruction slipped/fell out of the harness totally, leaving the student still attached to the parachute? No, I don't know how that happens either. The article seems to be implying that this could only be done intentionally on the part of the instructor, if that's even possible.
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MikeCrotch posted:The implication seems to be that the instruction slipped/fell out of the harness totally, leaving the student still attached to the parachute? Having dealt with high-risk insurance when dealing with untrained/novice individuals before (climbing training, youth pistol marksmanship training), shouldn't one other accredited person have checked the protective gear of both the student and the instructor before they jumped? I never start a climbing session without having someone double check my judgment of the fit of someone's harness and the proper lay of their straps. Usually people keep a harness on in between multiple climbs so it really isn't much of a bother. When youth are on the range, I absolutely positively never ever trust just one person to manage that range. There's one person with the shooter, handling the pistol with them always, and the range officer doing his/her normal tasks entirely separately. There's also never two youth on the line simultaneously. Most insurance providers are way more lax on rifles and even youth shotgun handling because muzzle control is so much easier with a long barrel. When a kid is still inexperienced or novice, it really is too easy to make mistakes with a pistol/trainer without a steady stream of simple and clear instructions about muzzle control from an instructor. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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If someone's going to screw up on procedure, I 100% believe it's going to be an instructor. The only accidents I've observed where youth were involved are as follows -climbing on a rope that I discover later had taken way too many hard falls with too heavy people (instructor's fault for not checking line-by-line in the rope's log before running it up, instead assuming the person putting it away did their work right) -climbing with improper lay of straps in the buckles of a harness (don't do it right and it wont provide enough static friction in a hard enough fall). Only happened twice, and both were instructors who didn't insist that someone check their protective gear -shotgun blowing away a rafter of a trap house because the shooter was shooting doubles, missed the first target clay, and brain-farted on remembering that there was a second target to attempt. The end result was a semi-auto shotgun held vertically by a disappointed shooter, then boom, then splinters and a partially-dangling wood and shingle roof. Again, an instructor, and my only suspicion is that he was getting too comfortable keeping his fingers in the trigger well, and his brain didn't add 1 + 1 to equal 2 when the semi-auto was closed and he went for a reload. If I had to guess, the log of his brain activity was: oh poop I missed, raise gun skyward because up is safer than downrange?, better reload, okay the bolt is closed so I need to pull it open again, I'll need a tighter grip with my left hand when pulling so I might as well tighten my grip now whoops my right hand went tight too because humans tend to execute commands symmetrically when we're distracted, so my right fingers, including my trigger finger, are tightening, and oh dear that trigger finger is still in the trigger well -minor procedural errors on the part of the young shooter, not really worth mentioning as they are all mitigated quickly and were never dangerous thanks to the use of trainer pistols (plastic fake guns) and excellent one-on-one trainers on the line with them, making sure teens have stuff down 110% before handling the real deal Anyway, to make this post relevant to Aeronautical Insanity again, safety procedure exists for a reason: human brains are terrifically complex devices that absolutely will fail on you. The more rigidly you adhere to your checklists, your mnemonics, your nursery rhymes every time you do X thing, the more natural it becomes. That's a double-edged sword: ( + ) The mind is more free to dedicate resources to troubleshooting when you perceive something is amiss and you're able to look for trouble by going through checklists on autopilot. This is particularly true of range safety officers in my experience, and from that video of a British Airways pilot handling a dying engine in a P-51 at an airshow, it's pretty important for a pilot as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBpqvPujZgM ( - ) We get comfortable in our checklists and can slip into a habit of breezing through them without spending conscious effort on each bullet point, especially when there are family or friends watching. The proliferation of in-cockpit streaming/recording makes me nervous -- some people might feel silly singing "Old MacDonald had a plane, C-I-G-A-R, and on that plane he had controls, C-I-G-A-R...." to themselves if they were recording for their YouTube channel. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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The way I’ve seen it set up before, the parachute is on the instructor, and the student and clipped onto the instructor with 4 anchors. The only way I can see the instructor falling and the student making it out is if the instructor purposefully or not slipped out of his rig.
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I like the Japanese train engineer method of pointing at each item in a checklist and saying the item out loud. I've caught quite a few dumb mistakes before they came terrible mistakes.
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I always start as a Japanese train engineer and after a few hundred hours transition to a lazy hungover idiot gringo going off memory and mostly usually doing ok
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:I always start as a Japanese train engineer and after a few hundred hours transition to a lazy hungover idiot gringo going off memory and mostly usually doing ok That's pretty much how aviation works, then you go to recurrent to reset the clock.
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There are a few vids on youtube of this c17 flyby in Brisbane, but this instagram video is the best I've seen by far https://www.instagram.com/p/BoVi-1LlD3J/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=k0hy5j2l71b6 (No login required)
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Why does Brisvegas get all the low pass flybys? The best we get is an A350 steadfastly refusing to get closer than 2 nmi from the CBD nor lower than the tallest skyscraper.
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~Coxy posted:Why does Brisvegas get all the low pass flybys? The south side of the river is still relatively clear of tall buildings, there's a lot of horizontal space. Amberley is also a combat RAAF base compared to Williams (assuming you're Victorian), so they aren't going to let trainees do it. I don't know why it's not a thing in Sydney either.
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Because Sydney has the navy and fleet base east. They get a lot of helicopters doing training/patrols of the harbour too. Melbourne gets low level jet flybys every two years to promote the avalon international airshow, plus the yearly F18 flyby of the F1 grand prix but as stated there are only two training airforce bases in Victoria, no combat bases. And here is a 360 degree cockpit view of the brisbane flyby the other day: https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianAirForce/videos/362441334297330/ The constructions workers get a good view in this one too: 
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Sagebrush posted:Can female fighter pilots use relief tubes? There's a story in Bye Bye, Baby where it mentions that in the Navy they're now mandated to use adult diapers. There are supposedly adapters for relief tubes now, though.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There's a story in Bye Bye, Baby where it mentions that in the Navy they're now mandated to use adult diapers. I have heard from someone who tried it that they are super uncomfortable. That pilot preferred the diaper.
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Potato Salad posted:Having dealt with high-risk insurance when dealing with untrained/novice individuals before (climbing training, youth pistol marksmanship training), shouldn't one other accredited person have checked the protective gear of both the student and the instructor before they jumped? It was intentional. Talked with a few friends from Maine about what happened. He apparently told the student how to land the parachute, and then used a hook knife(typically used as a last resort to get rid of a line-over on a reserve or a canopy wrap) to cut his leg straps away. I know mental healthcare is poo poo in America, but if you're going to kill yourself, why not do a solo or just hang yourself in your trailer like the rest of the sick fucks in this industry.
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SkyGod posted:It was intentional. Talked with a few friends from Maine about what happened. He apparently told the student how to land the parachute, and then used a hook knife(typically used as a last resort to get rid of a line-over on a reserve or a canopy wrap) to cut his leg straps away. I know mental healthcare is poo poo in America, but if you're going to kill yourself, why not do a solo or just hang yourself in your trailer like the rest of the sick fucks in this industry. Something something mass shootings, suicide by cop. Perhaps the Japanese have the right idea with the honourable suicides...
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Goddamn at least jump in front of a train and traumatize someone who's on the clock. Don't do it to a paying customer!
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Humphreys posted:Same also New England and Lebanon. It's a pretty common town name in New England. Lebanon Connecticut was named first and it got the name due to cedar trees and a the local preacher feeling the geography matched what he had been told about Lebanon. And the idea spread.
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tactlessbastard posted:Goddamn at least jump in front of a train and traumatize someone who's on the clock. Don't do it to a paying customer! Yeah. No. In front of a train (at least around here) costs lives worth of time. Figure someone is alive for 700,000 hours. If you jump in front of a train at downers grove train station, you're delaying ~100,000 peoples commute, by 90 minutes average. Your "one death" would literally cost 1/4 of the life of someone else, just in time alone. Forget the dollar costs, as those are astronomical as well. That happens 3-5 times a year. "Another person dies per year" because people think that's the best way to off themselves. If you pick a freight line, you just broke a bunch of couplers. Those engineers often don't return to the job, so there's their ruined career too. *shakes head* In your bathroom. Shower curtain closed. Big knife. Leave a clear note. It's easy to clean up. You bother your family, and 10 other people at most.
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Nerobro posted:Yeah. No. In front of a train (at least around here) costs lives worth of time. Figure someone is alive for 700,000 hours. If you jump in front of a train at downers grove train station, you're delaying ~100,000 peoples commute, by 90 minutes average. Your "one death" would literally cost 1/4 of the life of someone else, just in time alone. Forget the dollar costs, as those are astronomical as well. That happens 3-5 times a year. "Another person dies per year" because people think that's the best way to off themselves. Be very careful with math like this because you will very quickly determine exactly how long the traffic backup can get before it becomes a net social positive not to bother extracting trapped people from car wrecks but instead just bulldoze the whole pile into the ditch, people and all.
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Midjack posted:Be very careful with math like this because you will very quickly determine exactly how long the traffic backup can get before it becomes a net social positive not to bother extracting trapped people from car wrecks but instead just bulldoze the whole pile into the ditch, people and all. I mean 99% of the world is already there. I boils down like this: If it's me in the tangled wreck: Eternal backups acceptable. Should probably close that portion of the road forever as a memorial to me. Immediate family: No need to wait around all day. I have a lawsuit to file! If I am in the backup: It's been 3 whole minutes! If the cops don't show up to bulldoze the car in the ditch right now and shoot all the bystanders for getting in my way I'll have to do it myself.
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