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Xiahou Dun posted:AlphaDog has repeatedly been one of the most patient, honest, thoughtful posters in this thread, who will engage in full honesty with anyone, and has clearly over years demonstrated that they love D&D and just wanna talk it out without dealing with horse-poo poo. I don't think anyone has suggested putting AphaDog on ignore. My only issues with them are just how pedantic they are with my posts. Arivia is not more often right then wrong. I would say however. Edit:But lets please stop talking about Posters and just discuss the game even if you have complaints about it. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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Sep 30, 2018 23:20
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MonsterEnvy posted:And I think you misunderstood the context of the second line, I said "I was not looking up her and Zak S." Because I was just looking up her, I did not google search Satine and Zak S like the person who quoted me did. And that was what I meant by it. Cause I was clearly looking up Satine and was not trying to hide it. You were not taken out of context. The context of the thread when you posted was exactly "Satine and Zak are (business or otherwise) partners", and you commented directly on that. Arthil posted:Comes off to me like he didn't want to be lambasted by assholes like you, who enjoy picking peoples posts apart for the pieces they really wanna highlight instead of responding to it as a whole. Looks like he did look into it a bit, found they'd had no contact in quite a long while. But the problem is that apparently doesn't matter. She could have cut off ties to him, but that doesn't matter. Ever being associated with a scumbag, whether they knew he was a scumbag at the time or not, is apparently enough to label a person forever. It took me 5 seconds of the most cursory google searching to find the video I was talking about. Then I looked at her youtube, clicked "about" (which I would also have done if I were only looking for stuff about her), and there's a link to Zak's "pornstars" blog (labelled "Zak S - my dungeon master") which has a link back to satine's twitter. So yeah, that poo poo took me all of 2 minutes. "Ties" have not been "cut". It's obvious to anyone who cares to do the most basic looking around. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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Sep 30, 2018 23:24
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Let's get this trashfire rolling in the right direction again, then: Holy poo poo I think everyone who said Shadow of the Demon Lord was better designed than 5e was entirely correct and now I'm on the verge of rounding up all my friends to play it.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:30
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AlphaDog posted:You were not taken out of context. The context of the thread when you posted was exactly "Satine and Zak are (business or otherwise) partners", and you commented directly on that. I know that. I already said I did not research that hard. What I looked up was "Satine" and "Satine and the D&D community" I visted her twitter and some sites like Wikipedia, but did not visit her Youtube. Largely a side effect of me being lazy and tried when I was doing this. I did not look up stuff relating her to Zak S. But from the stuff I visited there was just no mention of her doing anything with Zak so I assumed she had not done anything with him for a while.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:36
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Arthil posted:Let's get this trashfire rolling in the right direction again, then: It's a cool game. Though not a huge fan of it's setting myself.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:37
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Arthil posted:Fair enough man, I wasn't the one bothering to research any of it. Because I couldn't care less. What I care about is when it's incredibly clear that people are bullying someone while claiming to be doing something good. Maybe I'd care a little more if the people that like to churn all this up every time they feel like ganging up on him contributed something more than that. Reading this thread for a while, it's been closer to 90% hate on MonsterEnvy, 10% actual advice/talking about the game. It's not bullying. It's calling out blatant falsehoods. Like, MonsterEnvy blatantly posts false poo poo all of the time that even a trivial think-through, let alone a google search, shows to be false. The vast majority of this thread is people discussing the actual game. Except when someone is obviously wrong and then people call them out on it and the tone police come out to tell people to stop posting true things shhhh can't we all just get along. It wasn't that many pages ago that you got really detailed advice and discussion on your tournament build for your Barbarian. Asking that people in a discussion engage with it above the level of a very small child is not "bullying". MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think anyone has suggested putting AphaDog on ignore. My only issues with them are just how pedantic they are with my posts. Look literally less than a dozen posts upwards. gently caress. Also, I meant that Arivia is basically 100% right in this thread (except maybe tactically or in terms of decorum or whatever ; I can't think of a factual error off of the top of my head). I just don't like when she starts poo poo in the chat thread. Also, also seriously, as a super privileged white/cit/het dude, get hosed anyone telling minorities to shut up and talk more politely about their complaints about this hobby or basically anything vis a vis their inclusion. Trying to shut someone with a real complaint down with a tone argument is bullshit. At least then just say that you think they don't have an argument.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:39
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Arthil posted:Let's get this trashfire rolling in the right direction again, then: Yeah it's like digging through poo poo to get gold except going through actual fictional poo poo. It's been mentioned already but the thing that distinguishes SotDL from dumb OSR poo poo (instead of good OSR things, like Beyond the Wall and Godbound) is that while Schwalb loves poo poo and blood it comes more from just a teen aesthetic taste, not "this is how things should be for a REAL ROLEPLAYING GAME". Similarly, while the game has plenty of bad stuff happening in the setting, the text itself is never rapey, or homophobic, or sexist, or racist. It comes across right from the start when you get into the novice paths, where of the four paths, two of them are depicted as women, and they're both clothed from head to toe - the rogue in stereotypical 'rogue leather armor' and the magician in full on loose robes including a wizard hat.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:42
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Xiahou Dun posted:Also, also seriously, as a super privileged white/cit/het dude, get hosed anyone telling minorities to shut up and talk more politely about their complaints about this hobby or basically anything vis a vis their inclusion. Trying to shut someone with a real complaint down with a tone argument is bullshit. At least then just say that you think they don't have an argument. I was not trying to do this. I just wanted to get the topic at least back on the game.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:44
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bewilderment posted:Yeah it's like digging through poo poo to get gold except going through actual fictional poo poo. I mean sure, but I meant mechanically. It feels like a system I could pick up quickly, have a game running in an hour or so whereas while 5e is fairly simple it takes more effort and time overall. Still has the same problem as 5e where encounter balance is... not 100% accurately depicted via a challenge rating. But I'm of the opinion if a DM sees an encounter going a way they don't want it to, they not only can but should change things on the fly.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:48
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MonsterEnvy posted:It's a cool game. Though not a huge fan of it's setting myself. There’s a kickstarter called The Forest Hymn that’s going to be using the SotDL system, so I’m excited for that. I’m sure someone will do an F&F when it comes out if you prefer to wait.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:49
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New character concept. Every Liam Neeson character except he's a life cleric.
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Sep 30, 2018 23:58
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Novum posted:New character concept. Every Liam Neeson character except he's a life cleric. I think he actually played a Cleric once.
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Oct 1, 2018 00:00
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MonsterEnvy posted:I was not trying to do this. I just wanted to get the topic at least back on the game. No. You were just bald faced lying. MonsterEnvy posted:I think he actually played a Cleric once. Gangs of New York? Or he was also a very, very minor character in The Mission.
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Oct 1, 2018 00:02
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Guys I went to the hulkamania store in Clearwater this weekend. I am reaffirmed in wanting to play as basically hulk hogan
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Oct 1, 2018 00:10
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RC Cola posted:Guys I went to the hulkamania store in Clearwater this weekend. I am reaffirmed in wanting to play as basically hulk hogan A buddy in AL played a whole hardcover as Macho Man Randy Savage and it owned. Went barb with a great sword named Bonesaw.
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Oct 1, 2018 00:21
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RC Cola posted:Guys I went to the hulkamania store in Clearwater this weekend. I am reaffirmed in wanting to play as basically hulk hogan Lore Bard Hulk Hogan with Cutting Words to intimidate people and full casting to make the showmanship real? Expertise in Athletics means bards are actually a shockingly good fit for it.
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Oct 1, 2018 00:28
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If D&D-as-a-pro-wrestler is your kind of thing, make sure you check out the World Wide Wrestling Roleplaying Game
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Oct 1, 2018 00:29
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koreban posted:I could flip a coin when a new NPC is introduced as to whether Mercer will assign an adjective to them that would be considered to be reflective of minority lgbtq-distinctive traits and it’d be pretty on point. this post is more defensive than the Somme circa 1916. incredible.
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Oct 1, 2018 00:38
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I don't get all this fuzz about "promoting inclusivity"; in 15 years playing RPGs every single woman in my games has been gay or bi. I just assumed it was normal.
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Oct 1, 2018 01:10
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Xiahou Dun posted:No. You were just bald faced lying. None of that quote was a lie. I hate people accusing me of lying when I am not. Gangs of New York I think. I am not too familiar with Liam Neeson films.
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Oct 1, 2018 01:11
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Every single sentence you said was not true. That is what lying is. The saying of false things as if they were true. I can not say this in smaller words. Stop. Saying. Lies.
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Oct 1, 2018 01:19
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Conspiratiorist posted:I don't get all this fuzz about "promoting inclusivity"; in 15 years playing RPGs every single woman in my games has been gay or bi. Different areas I suppose. I've been interacting with my cities local thing for about a year and a half now and there hasn't been an overwhelming lack of women or people of other ethnicity than white. Half of my DMs have been people of color, and most tables I'm at have at least one woman. There's this one guy who is a loud and proud drag queen and he makes the most excellent terrain set pieces ever, all custom. Can't speak for orientation as I don't pry into others business.
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Oct 1, 2018 01:20
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Arthil posted:Different areas I suppose. I've been interacting with my cities local thing for about a year and a half now and there hasn't been an overwhelming lack of women or people of other ethnicity than white. Half of my DMs have been people of color, and most tables I'm at have at least one woman. There's this one guy who is a loud and proud drag queen and he makes the most excellent terrain set pieces ever, all custom. Oh, god no, I meant women *in* the game. I haven't crossed words with a female in over a decade.
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Oct 1, 2018 01:25
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This probably isn't the best time for this, but this has been on my mind for a while and I think it needs to be said. Most of the people here with a grudge against Zak are not putting up a very good case as to why this dude is an issue. Personally, I despise him, I think he is a horrible writer, a horrible influence on the RPG industry, and a horrible person in general, but if I had come into this thread without prior knowledge of who he was I would think most of you were crazy. The main reasoning provided for why many of you believe he's Nazi-level terrible is that someone you know was doxxed, and then driven off the internet and out of the industry entirely, by Zak's friends. This is always stated in the absolute vaguest terms, usually after someone unknowingly plugs or defends something vaguely related to Zak and they are harshly insulted. Here's the thing. I have been doxxed before. It's even gotten to the point where people off the internet got my number and were calling my house. And yeah, it loving sucks. But not even once did I consider dropping off the internet entirely because of it, and this is without me having a substantial following or career hold based off of it. While I definitely do believe she was doxxed (though I should note that I am not aware of any proof), stating that "Zak drove her off the internet" is an exaggeration to like eight different degrees. Zak didn't dox her, there is no evidence that he called to dox her, and the individual who did dox her did not force her off the internet. It would be like if a Trump voter pushed me out on the street, I was hit by a car, and witnesses claimed that Trump was responsible for my injury. Yes, Zak does and has created lists of people (including their real names) with the intent of discrediting them, belittling them, and blacklisting them. That is horrifying behavior. My point is why do you not just say that specifically. By constantly framing the issue in hyperbolic terms you come across as agenda-driven and deceptive, and, most importantly, can potentially end up bolstering Zak's side of things because he creates the illusion of a reasonable and civil person, while many of you certainly do not. It is very easy for Zak fanboys to discredit SA's entire account of these events because of this behavior (and indeed, it has been done multiple times before). It is incredibly obvious that many of you have a raging hateboner for this guy. People generally do not react well to people with raging hateboners. Stating that anyone even vaguely associated with Zak is a traitorous collaborator and accomplice to abuse makes your case even worse. While many of these people (Mearls especially) have no doubt received sufficient proof that Zak is a cancer on the industry, the vast majority of people have not because all accounts of the "Zak Wars" are incredibly biased, distilled, and lacking in sources. Furthermore, even if someone does ascertain that Zak is deranged, I'm afraid I'm going to have to hit you with a harsh reality check: the vast majority of people in the real world have done something undeniably terrible, which means, due to the necessity of collaboration in order to obtain any profit in our hellish plutocratic nightmare world, most well-meaning people are forced to collaborate with much more dangerous people in order to succeed. There is a near certainty that you regularly interact with someone equally as bad as Zak in your everyday life, even if you are not aware of it. It loving sucks, but that's life. It's way out of line to assume that anyone interacting with someone you dislike is automatically in league with that person and excuses their behavior. Because if you interact with everyone you don't like IRL the way most people on SA do, you are going to have very few friends and be considered dangerously unhinged. Point is, I want Zak out of the industry as much as you all do, but lashing out in this way is only going to hurt your case in the long run.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Every single sentence you said was not true. this is basically Zak S level of discourse, please stop. In real life people can say false things and be wrong, rather than it being a deliberate lie.
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Oct 1, 2018 02:12
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beeoi posted:This probably isn't the best time for this, but this has been on my mind for a while and I think it needs to be said. Yes.
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Oct 1, 2018 02:14
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adhuin posted:Is Curse of Strahd just brutally hard module? It's harsh, for sure. There are a lot of mitigations like free rezzes below level 5 (I think?) and the occasional helpful NPC who can swoop in, but it's not a great newb GM campaign because there are a lot of savage pitfalls for the players and a lot of plates to keep in the air. I'm feeling smug about it rn because last night we made it through the most notorious meatgrinder of the campaign, the Amber Temple, without a loss - but if we'd gone down the wrong stairway we could have easily all died.
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koreban posted:To directly address your insinuation: I don’t have any problem with it, but I can also see that they’re making a concerted effort to promote inclusivity and representation, overtly, in their game, to the point that it’s becoming obvious. So? What's the problem here? EDIT: Actually, no, forget this. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Oct 1, 2018 02:24
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xiw posted:this is basically Zak S level of discourse, please stop. In real life people can say false things and be wrong, rather than it being a deliberate lie. None of the stuff in the quote he quoted was even false from what I can tell. So I really don't understand why he was accusing me there. I was even agreeing with him on one point.
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sebmojo posted:It's harsh, for sure. There are a lot of mitigations like free rezzes below level 5 (I think?) and the occasional helpful NPC who can swoop in, but it's not a great newb GM campaign because there are a lot of savage pitfalls for the players and a lot of plates to keep in the air. I've not read the module entirely, so I'm surprised when someone said Wargs aren't in there. Though maybe the DM renamed Dire Wolves to Wargs? I just remember when I played through it at a con last year, we took the gently caress off to get to the first town instead of lingering on the road in the woods. MonsterEnvy posted:None of the stuff in the quote he quoted was even false from what I can tell. So I really don't understand why he was accusing me there. I was even agreeing with him on one point. Ignore them, quite literally if you have to. Yes it sucks that you may need to do so, but they've made up their minds and are being heinously aggressive in coming after you for every little thing. Arthil fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Pollyanna posted:So? What's the problem here? Since we're tone policing criticism against Zak S and people defending him, might as well also tone police minority representation in gaming, I think is the point.
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Oct 1, 2018 02:27
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Arthil posted:I've not read the module entirely, so I'm surprised when someone said Wargs aren't in there. Though maybe the DM renamed Dire Wolves to Wargs? I just remember when I played through it at a con last year, we took the gently caress off to get to the first town instead of lingering on the road in the woods. There are indeed lots of Dire wolves. I think Dire Wolves and Warg's have similar stat blocks as well.
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beeoi posted:This probably isn't the best time for this, but this has been on my mind for a while and I think it needs to be said. Prepare to be dog-piled.
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Pollyanna posted:You do realize your post boils down to "this guy is a massive piece of poo poo, but please stop talking about it", right? Saying "Please stop talking about it" is not a bad move. It's actually supposed to be a banned topic on the thread, outlined in the op. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Oct 1, 2018 02:29
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really? an account that's literally never posted before just comes in here to say that Zak didn't actually do the thing that he's been accused of, and it looks like we've all got some growing up to do?
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gradenko_2000 posted:really? an account that's literally never posted before just comes in here to say that Zak didn't actually do the thing that he's been accused of, and it looks like we've all got some growing up to do? Christ on a bike.
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Oct 1, 2018 02:35
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They repeatedly contacted her home, her family, and her day job and uncloseted her as trans over the course of months if not years. Mikan was forced off the internet by harassment. This is a fact.
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Oct 1, 2018 02:38
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No see. She should’ve just dealt with it. Or something. Death threats aren’t that bad. Unlike pointing out how rules are written poorly. That’s bullying.
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Xiahou Dun posted:No see. She should’ve just dealt with it. Or something. The first is bullying. The second is only bullying depending purely on how it's done. (Which does not happen much on this thread actually") As there is nothing wrong with pointing out issues with rules.
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