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Tom Guycot posted:3) by the time time travel is created, no one cares about the hitler question, much like no one ever proposes using a time machine to kill baby Genghis kahn or something. There's a third caveman now and we have theories that two of them are going to gang up on the other!
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Sash! posted:Two ideas: I've seen at least one setting with the premise is that our timeline with Hitler is what happened when someone went back in time and assassinated a fascist leader who would have turned a major nation into a tyrannical power and embark on a mission of racial genocide, kicking off WW2 in the process. In place of that timeline with that leader, we got Hitler instead who was even worse. So the time cops set up a strict "No killing Hitler" rule because they're afraid that might lead to someone even worse.
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No, killing Hilter!
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Oct 2, 2018 19:47
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“No killing, Hitler!”
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Oct 2, 2018 19:54
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“Hitler, cupboard! Now!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajRRbnerug8
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No killing Hitler? No! Killing Hitler!
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Oct 2, 2018 20:10
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The Aryan in the Cupboard
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Ben Nerevarine posted:The Aryan in the Cupboard 
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Re: Going back in time and stopping Hitler. Instead of killing baby Hitler you could: A) Set up a fund so Hitler can go to art school instead of politics, potentially preventing WWII. B) Go back and stop the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, thus potentially preventing WWI & WWII C) Go back further and convince Napoleon III not to take the bait offered by Bismark's Ems telegram, thus preventing the Franco-Prussian War, WWI, & WWII
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No art fund would help Dolfy go to art school. Even the Viennese School of Fine Arts had standards. Obviously.
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Go back in time a few million years and blow up the sun and you prevent every human death that's ever happened!
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CPColin posted:Go back in time a few million years and blow up the sun and you prevent every human death that's ever happened! Actually the ultimate stage of development for any intelligent life-form is putting themselves retroactively out of their misery. There's actually been millions of intelligent races in the galaxy. Well, would have been. Or, I guess would never have been. Who knows?? Who cares.
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Not to suggest that it outweighs the human lives potentially saved, but wouldn’t preventing WW1 & WW2 stall the invention of hundreds of technological and mechanical advancements? That’s how you end up with a hideous diesel/steampunk civilization, people.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Not to suggest that it outweighs the human lives potentially saved, but wouldn’t preventing WW1 & WW2 stall the invention of hundreds of technological and mechanical advancements? You realize for a lot of people this would be a feature, not a bug, right?
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If replicators exist I can't understand why there's any storage areas on the ship whatsoever since the engines run all the time shouldn't everything else be batteries constantly being charged and a bunch of replicators you could use innovative gravity plating techniques to wrap The Battery in crew quarters and still make your ship look like a swan and it seems dangerous but you can always but loads of your The Battery energy to the shield plus who wants to live without The Battery anyway
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Oct 3, 2018 02:30
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You have to put the crew on the outside so if someone fires on the ship they die
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Oct 3, 2018 02:35
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Picard: how many casualties? Data: (beep beep) none sir Picard: [exhales thru nose]
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Oct 3, 2018 02:44
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The engines don't run all the time. Sometimes they're put on idle so they can troubleshoot the haunted plasma injectors which Beverly also wants to sleep with.
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The_Other posted:Re: Going back in time and stopping Hitler.  while Germany does. Now there's an AU for you. Big Mean Jerk posted:Not to suggest that it outweighs the human lives potentially saved, but wouldn’t preventing WW1 & WW2 stall the invention of hundreds of technological and mechanical advancements? And yet, based on historical evidence, that's what worked.
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Europe was jonesing for war and it was going to happen.
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Well, yeah, did you see the way Europe was dressed?
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it might be fun to go back in time and stop the soviet union from ending
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Re: Thread title That sure was good when Greatest Gen said it. CC: Every post by Al Borland Corpse
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I just finished watching TNG “The Minds Eye”, and I’m thinking, what is even the point of the Neutral Zone? The Romulans seemingly violate it everyday. And not just them entering the Zone, but blowing thru it and loving around in federation space. Like Geordi is flying to Risa and he gets abducted by a decloaked Bird of Prey, which would be like Russia sending a battleship up the Mississippi to kidnap fishing boats or something. The federation never does poo poo, or is never shown to do poo poo about this. I understand space is big etc, but why would anybody take you seriously if the treaties you sign are functionally worthless? Or is this just another example of the federation being the only ones who follow the rules (section 31 aside)?
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Zesty posted:Re: Thread title I mean he did tell us it came from there if that's what troubles ye friend
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Yes, I said don't give me any credit
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I never do chum
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Theory: everything in Bajor is so beige because they just see a different color spectrum than Humons so it looks totally different
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That would be kind of fun. They walk into some setting with a blacklight in it and suddenly Kira's wearing a glowing, shifting leopard print. Everyone looks at her and she's brushing at her shirt like what, is there a bug on me?
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Feds know the Romulans cheat but "doing something about it" means a massive interstellar war They'd fight an individual shop if they found it on their side, the Romulan government would disavow the Captain, rinse and repeat
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Some Neutral Zone observations: The treaty does not seem to be very equal. The Federation always maintains outposts within it, but there is no sign of any comparable Romulan outpost. If a Romulan base were established in the NZ, this would be considered tantamount to mobilization for war (there’s a TNG episode about this — iirc the base turns out to be a fake and the point was to get the Enterprise in the NZ to start a war) The Feds clearly do not blindly trust the Romulans not to violate the NZ, or they wouldn’t always have someone patrolling it. The Feds violate the NZ themselves, sometimes very flagrantly (“The Enterprise Incident” is probably the worst case of this), and sometimes with much more subtle interference in Romulan interests, like that time a highly decorated retired Starfleet officer and Federation dignitary traveled to Romulus with the express but “unauthorized” intent to end Romulan sovereignty. Neither the Federation nor the Romulans, despite their obvious hostility to one another, has any appetite or indeed justification for a major war. Neither side is portrayed as having an expansionistic grand strategy and both seem broadly content to be left alone by the other. Despite this, neither side has any apparent appetite for peace: the Romulans at least consider peaceniks to be dangerous radicals — not without reason since at least one (Pardek from Unification) thinks abolishing Romulan Empire and getting back together with Vulcan is the way to go. Conclusion: you might as well ask why the Iron Curtain existed, since people kept going around it and all. The point of the NZ isn’t to act as a perfect deterrent, and both sides tacitly accept that the letter of the treaty isn’t being upheld, but both also accept that the spirit of it — that is, not having a general war between Earth and Romulus again — is worth trading barbs here and there to maintain. skasion fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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The Federation neutral zone outposts are on the Federation border of the Neutral Zone. They don't have any actually inside it. I think the Enterprise Incident is the only time the Federation just straight-up violates the zone without provocation. The Romulans seem to do it constantly, though. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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They didn’t read the treaty, they just thought that’s where you have to wear pure greys. They are constantly offended that the federation officers engage emblazoned with bright primary colors at the border of the Neutrals Zone
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Romulus had a carpet surplus and the fashion minister put it to good use
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At the liquidation of Joanne Fabrics in 2085, the CEO ordered all quilt backing to be launched directly into space.... where it landed, no one can say.......
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I spent a good chunk of the episode I was watching last night trying to figure out if Sisko really was wearing a carpet as a vest this time, I'm pretty sure I saw individual fibers.
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I love that DS9 somewhat, and Enterprise in particular, really hammered home the fact that the only difference between Vulcans and Romulans is that Vulcans say "no emotions, ever" but Romulans say "some emotions, sometimes." Vulcans are just as conniving, manipulative, xenophobic, and egotistically 'superior' as Romulans. They just pretend otherwise.
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Speaking of, here's where I'm finally caught up to: Visionary I liked how they acknowledged that none of the time travel made sense. Boy these O'Brien must suffer episodes are getting abstract. Distant Voices But not as abstract as this. I don't know if these kinds of episodes can really stand with Bashir as the lead. Through the Looking Glass It was okay but Mirror Kira is getting really grating. I don't want there to be another but I know there's going to be another. Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast Ah okay good, some good episodes! Man, that Odo makeup was insane and Rene Auberjonois really sold it. Also good as a setup to bring two interesting but unaffiliated characters together. Explorers Oh my god
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Other DS9 writing credits from Hilary J. Bader, writer of "Explorers": -The one where they go to the moon where everyone who dies is resurrected then ditch the Bajoran pope there -The one where the lady Ferengi pretends to be a man -The one where Jadzia decides she's going to run away with an extremely dull dimension hopping dude because he too wears facepaint, but then she doesn't
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I do really like Garrak kinda being like 'really dude' to Bashir's 'Oh no I'm 30 now!'
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