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JBP posted:What does a border security apparatus have to do with funding early learning for Australian citizens? More education funding for some white children, horrifying torture island for other brown children
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I too, am a single issue voter who cares solely about immigration policy and education, health, the economy, who even cares about that? e: actually I think this unironically describes a majority of voters in Australia
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Oct 4, 2018 01:48
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racing identity posted:More education funding for some white children, horrifying torture island for other brown children They're not related policy areas. It's the kind of whataboutism we criticise when people scream about the homeless or whatever when immigration or foreign aid comes up. What about indigenous kids in broken communities because of oscillating government neglect and interference? How do they access this cash injection into early learning? We learned nothing about the policy or interrogated whether it's sound and instead watched an interview about something else altogether.
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Oct 4, 2018 01:51
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I mean, let's be honest here, even I'm going to preference the Greens candidates (provided they are not sex pests) above Labor and a big part of that is going to be offshore detention policy, but you can't seriously say that the LNP wanting a medicare copayment, cutting health services and trying to deregulate university to create US style $100000+ degrees while Labor doesn't makes them only superficially different just because Labor's still too cowardly to actually try and fight back on refugee policy.
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Oct 4, 2018 01:53
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Aesculus posted:I too, am a single issue voter who cares solely about immigration policy and education, health, the economy, who even cares about that? Yeah it describes a bunch of Coalition / right wing voters.
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Oct 4, 2018 01:58
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JBP posted:They're not related policy areas. It's the kind of whataboutism we criticise when people scream about the homeless or whatever when immigration or foreign aid comes up. What about indigenous kids in broken communities because of oscillating government neglect and interference? How do they access this cash injection into early learning? We learned nothing about the policy or interrogated whether it's sound and instead watched an interview about something else altogether. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/10/remote-communities-are-lifestyle-choices-says-tony-abbott
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Oct 4, 2018 02:16
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I am a firm believer that immigration policy will shift into something good once they are in government. They are just playing me too at the moment so the Liberals have nothing to campaign about. The reason 2016 was almost a hung parliament was because Labor gave Turnbull nothing to campaign onand nothing to talk about. Bill Shorten is quite a carefully calculated operator, look what the ALP did with the Dutton leaks. They know how to cook a Tory government and I say let them cook a Tory government.
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Oct 4, 2018 02:20
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I admire your optimism, but I think they would gain just as many votes from opposing offshore detention than they have by supporting it. I do hope you're right, and I believe even if they keep Nauru open, I believe they will probably put a stop to the more heinous practices (which Dutton/Morrison will immediately attribute to an increase in maritime arrivals but perhaps this time nobody will care I don't know). But they had a pretty lovely record during the Gillard/Rudd 2.0 years so don't get too hopeful.
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Oct 4, 2018 02:39
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Don Dongington posted:I admire your optimism, but I think they would gain just as many votes from opposing offshore detention than they have by supporting it. I wonder about this. They might bring in more volume, but where the ALP needs to win is in electorates full of jerks and that is probably what stays their hand every time (if we want to believe that they actually care about offshore detention being reformed).
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Oct 4, 2018 02:46
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Why do we keep asking Nazi ministers about concentration camps when they're talking about infrastructure projects!
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Oct 4, 2018 02:55
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hooman posted:Why do we keep asking Nazi ministers about concentration camps when they're talking about infrastructure projects! That's not the point at all and they were interviewing the opposition leader in the lead up to an election. Believe it or not, people care about school funding for their own children as well as knowing offshore detention Is Bad. e: basically saying lets allow a potentially good policy to be poo poo canned and pilloried by Murdoch while other avenues of inquiry do the exact same thing and bang on about something else irrelevant until the LNP wins because "there's no difference between the two anyway".
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Oct 4, 2018 02:57
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JBP posted:That's not the point at all and they were interviewing the opposition leader in the lead up to an election. Believe it or not, people care about school funding for their own children as well as knowing offshore detention Is Bad. Majority of people don't know offshore detention is bad because the government has made those camps off limits to anyone except morons from News Corpse
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Oct 4, 2018 02:59
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JBP posted:Believe it or not, people care about school funding for their own children as well as knowing offshore detention Is Bad. Bill Shorten doesn’t know, which is why he was asked
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Oct 4, 2018 03:00
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JBP posted:That's not the point at all and they were interviewing the opposition leader in the lead up to an election. Believe it or not, people care about school funding for their own children as well as knowing offshore detention Is Bad. that and the minister actually responsible won't let the ABC interview him because he's a hyperpartisan fuckwit.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:00
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You Am I posted:Majority of people don't know offshore detention is bad because the government has made those camps off limits to anyone except morons from News Corpse I think they know it's bad but don't care much. It's the price we pay to keep our parks and public spaces free of black people talking loudly. A price the Australian punter will pay with grim determination. Don Dongington posted:that and the minister actually responsible won't let the ABC interview him because he's a hyperpartisan fuckwit.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:00
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Anidav posted:I am a firm believer that immigration policy will shift into something good once they are in government. jfc
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Oct 4, 2018 03:03
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Anidav posted:I am a firm believer that immigration policy will shift into something good once they are in government. They are just playing me too at the moment so the Liberals have nothing to campaign about. The reason 2016 was almost a hung parliament was because Labor gave Turnbull nothing to campaign onand nothing to talk about. Bill Shorten is quite a carefully calculated operator, look what the ALP did with the Dutton leaks. They know how to cook a Tory government and I say let them cook a Tory government. Sauce. Your. Fucken. Quotes.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:05
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JBP posted:I wonder about this. They might bring in more volume, but where the ALP needs to win is in electorates full of jerks and that is probably what stays their hand every time (if we want to believe that they actually care about offshore detention being reformed). They don't care, and if they're at all competent they'll quietly bury the issue, because they don't come out of this much better than the Coalition. We already know Shorten won't dismantle Dutton's empire, why would he risk uncovering his party's complicity?
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Oct 4, 2018 03:08
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Schlesische posted:Sauce. It's me. 
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Oct 4, 2018 03:17
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How inspirational is this magnificent nation of ours? I refer to 14 month old conjoined twins Dawa and Nima Pelden, who have been brought to the Royal Children's Hospital from Bhutan in the hopeful expectation of a lifesaving miracle. Many achievements, many international awards, may conjure up pride in our nation, and in our fellow Australians, but nothing surpasses our kindness and generosity of spirit when the lives of children require our urgent medical assistance. I'm proud to call myself Australian. Lyle Geyer, Essendon
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Oct 4, 2018 03:18
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JBP posted:How inspirational is this magnificent nation of ours? I refer to 14 month old conjoined twins Dawa and Nima Pelden, who have been brought to the Royal Children's Hospital from Bhutan in the hopeful expectation of a lifesaving miracle. Fuckin hell.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:19
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My post isn't that bad is it? I've always had some hope for it all. 
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Oct 4, 2018 03:35
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Anidav posted:I am a firm believer that immigration policy will shift into something good once they are in government. They are just playing me too at the moment so the Liberals have nothing to campaign about. The reason 2016 was almost a hung parliament was because Labor gave Turnbull nothing to campaign onand nothing to talk about. Bill Shorten is quite a carefully calculated operator, look what the ALP did with the Dutton leaks. They know how to cook a Tory government and I say let them cook a Tory government. I don't place any faith in the idea that the good guys have to pretend to like the concentration camps to fool the racists but *wink nudge* they actually hate them now.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:39
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snoremac posted:A good political calculation would be to circumvent the blanket silence on conditions on Nauru and campaign heavily on conditions there. That's if they weren't complicit in those conditions, of course. If I was Shorten I'd just throw the doors open to all and sundry in the media and say "look what these monsters did" over and over again.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:42
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MysticalMachineGun posted:I say folks when I'm referring to a large group, as I used to say "guys" which was an issue for obvious reasons. Hello volks
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Oct 4, 2018 03:42
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Keep in mind when Labor undid some Howard era policy the media started running fake stories about refugees on Centrelink staying in 5 star hotels. This was before #fakenews so who knows what would happen if they tried again. It's not just the voters any immigration softening needs to be cautious of, it's the landscape of media assholes who aren't dying anytime soon or if they are they have a child heir who is just as bad. Even if the media landscape in Australia softened on immigration, the internet won't and social media won't. If anything the lies about boat people will only get worse due to how widespread social media is and how quickly news stories from patriotwatchaustralia.info tricks idiot ute driving swing voters. It's a really tough pickle. I don't know if the ALP can fix it but I hope they try.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:48
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JBP posted:If I was Shorten I'd just throw the doors open to all and sundry in the media and say "look what these monsters did" over and over again. look at what these monsters did with the system we reintroduced and have been complicit in maintaining
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Oct 4, 2018 03:52
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Knobb Manwich posted:look at what these monsters did with the system we reintroduced and have been complicit in maintaining I didn't think I had to also note that people can't remember poo poo and saying the same thing over and over works a treat, but here you are.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:53
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Saying things over and over again only works if the media is on your side.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:57
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JBP going to bat for Labor over their immigration policy again. Amazing how that keeps happening.
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Oct 4, 2018 04:04
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Anidav posted:I am a firm believer that immigration policy will shift into something good once they are in government. They are just playing me too at the moment so the Liberals have nothing to campaign about. The reason 2016 was almost a hung parliament was because Labor gave Turnbull nothing to campaign onand nothing to talk about. Bill Shorten is quite a carefully calculated operator, look what the ALP did with the Dutton leaks. They know how to cook a Tory government and I say let them cook a Tory government. Small target shorten 
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Fairfax How JP retired at 28 with millions after growing up poor By JP Livingston 4 October 2018 — 10:42am Tl:Dr left out she graduated from Harvard with zero debt and worked for a six figure income straight from harbard and this is to spruik her get rich quick scheme
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Oct 4, 2018 04:06
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Starshark posted:JBP going to bat for Labor over their immigration policy again. Amazing how that keeps happening. I've criticised it repeatedly, you can't read and have some wilfully wrong preconception of me. e: I'm just going to ignore you, the entire page is talking reasoning behind ALP policy (bad policy, but why) and you don't offer anything but having a go at me for talking about it. JBP fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 04:07
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Starshark posted:JBP going to bat for Labor over their immigration policy again. Amazing how that keeps happening. 
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Oct 4, 2018 04:48
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Labor won't do anything about the camps because it's too late for them to do anything about them. We've seen from all politicians that at the end of the day they're about saving their skins (and their large pay packets) so Labor exposing the crimes on Nauru and Manus would simply blow back on them since Labor and Liberal have both been complicit. We would honestly need a new breed of Labor ministers (snerk, laffo) or for the Greens to get power to clean out those camps.
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Oct 4, 2018 04:51
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Once upon a time I would've said we could also wait for international intervention but lol, the UN is toothless
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Oct 4, 2018 04:52
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JBP: Our immigration policy is hosed, but Labor support it because our population is full of racist gently caress heads and it would probably be political suicide to look soft on boats. The whole thing is hosed. Auspol: Why do you hate refugees on a deep and personal level? Is this why you kill chickens? GSC: why do you hate chickens?
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Oct 4, 2018 04:55
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If I’m pooping at work is that time theft?
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Oct 4, 2018 04:57
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GoldStandardConure posted:JBP: Our immigration policy is hosed, but Labor support it because our population is full of racist gently caress heads and it would probably be political suicide to look soft on boats. The whole thing is hosed. Yeah, we're being so unfair on the guy who pipes up every time someone criticises Labor on immigration policy.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Labor won't do anything about the camps because it's too late for them to do anything about them. We've seen from all politicians that at the end of the day they're about saving their skins (and their large pay packets) so Labor exposing the crimes on Nauru and Manus would simply blow back on them since Labor and Liberal have both been complicit. There's nothing stopping the ALP excusing it as a temporary need or having spiraled out of control or whatever other bullshit they need to run with. They're going to get slammed by Murdoch press anyway so you might as well shut it down and afford yourself more rope to talk about other policies through the media outlets that don't exist simply to destroy you. You're probably not gaining or losing anything by alienating the people that keeping calling to cops to dob on black people using bbqs either because they're already locked down and only outright murder will please them. e: idk though there may well be a few thousand (even a few hundred is enough in some seats) Labor voters that hate immigrants enough to punish policy that closes camps or just eases the process. JBP fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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