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Dixville posted:I don't think "proceeding" is the opposite of "preceding" btw I’m the lack of parallelism in antonyms. e: Graph tax: 
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I need one of these but for goons Suspicious Dish posted:im the literally only one lesbian and one gay relationship in the whole school I found a second one! 
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Oct 4, 2018 05:18
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Tetracube posted:I need one of these but for goons It's nothing but individual dots.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:20
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's nothing but individual dots. A pointillist painting of the Sea.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:22
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's nothing but individual dots. blue dots: 1,000,000 pink dots: 5
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Oct 4, 2018 05:22
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Edit: oh wait Egypt is there but north Africa is separate from the rest of Africa. gently caress, the more I look at it the worse it gets. The graph is basically unusable but I don't get why this, of all things, would be an issue.
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Oct 4, 2018 07:07
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Platystemon posted:I’m the self‐reported data. I mean, what would the alternative be, there?
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Oct 4, 2018 07:13
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Phlegmish posted:The graph is basically unusable but I don't get why this, of all things, would be an issue. I looked at the part labelled "Africa" and was like "...where is Egypt?" Africa is the only continent they split and they put the parts on either side of Europe. It isn't even a half and half split; it's northern Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. That's pretty blatantly "the parts near Europe" and "that other poo poo on the other side of that desert like who cares?" But they also mashed North and South America into "Americas." While putting Europe smack in the middle and making it bigger than everything else even though Europe is, for example, less than 1/4 the size of Asia. There's just so much wrong with it that I keep noticing more and more things every time I look.
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Oct 4, 2018 07:37
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Goon Danton posted:I mean, what would the alternative be, there? Well if you have zero personal ethics, no institutional review board, and don’t fret over things like felonies, there are ways. More seriously, being the only sensible method to collect data does nothing to improve the quality of the data. It’s understandable that it’s bad, but it’s still bad. “Kids don’t want to report their gay sex” is a better explanation than “very nearly everyone at this school is straight or sexually inactive”. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 07:48 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 07:40
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I looked at the part labelled "Africa" and was like "...where is Egypt?" Africa is the only continent they split and they put the parts on either side of Europe. It isn't even a half and half split; it's northern Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. That's pretty blatantly "the parts near Europe" and "that other poo poo on the other side of that desert like who cares?" But they also mashed North and South America into "Americas." While putting Europe smack in the middle and making it bigger than everything else even though Europe is, for example, less than 1/4 the size of Asia. There's just so much wrong with it that I keep noticing more and more things every time I look. Again, I'm pretty sure they started with "The Roman Empire is the most important thing on here" and worked out from that. They needed North Africa there so they could have the Romans as a contiguous blob.
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Oct 4, 2018 08:07
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I looked at the part labelled "Africa" and was like "...where is Egypt?" Africa is the only continent they split and they put the parts on either side of Europe. It isn't even a half and half split; it's northern Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. That's pretty blatantly "the parts near Europe" and "that other poo poo on the other side of that desert like who cares?" But they also mashed North and South America into "Americas." While putting Europe smack in the middle and making it bigger than everything else even though Europe is, for example, less than 1/4 the size of Asia. There's just so much wrong with it that I keep noticing more and more things every time I look. A split between North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa is perfectly defensible on cultural and geographic grounds. The Sahara has historically been a much, much more effective barrier than the Mediterranean, even during the era of religious conflict. It would have been much worse and more ignorant to lump it all together simply based on technically being located on the same continent. Again, it's a poo poo graph for various reasons, but this complaint doesn't make sense to me.
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Oct 4, 2018 08:22
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Phlegmish posted:A split between North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa is perfectly defensible on cultural and geographic grounds. The Sahara has historically been a much, much more effective barrier than the Mediterranean, even during the era of religious conflict. It would have been much worse and more ignorant to lump it all together simply based on technically being located on the same continent. It stuck out to me specifically because they split one continent and only one of them but then mashed two together. I get what you're saying but it still bothers me because it's so inconsistent. When I looked more closely it struck me as "the parts Rome cared about and the parts Rome didn't." Like was said it's pretty obviously "this chart is about Rome being the best thing."
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Oct 4, 2018 08:26
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Well, the Mali Empire is kind of ambiguous in that regard, having been located mostly south of the Sahara, but also being more and more Islamized as time went on, and with considerable Arab cultural influence. Also, trans-Saharan trade was obviously a thing. But I still don't really have a problem with making that distinction if you're going to be using discrete categories (which is the real issue I would say).
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Oct 4, 2018 08:38
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It stuck out to me specifically because they split one continent and only one of them but then mashed two together. I get what you're saying but it still bothers me because it's so inconsistent. When I looked more closely it struck me as "the parts Rome cared about and the parts Rome didn't." Like was said it's pretty obviously "this chart is about Rome being the best thing." Seems as reasonable as splitting Eurasia into two continents. The Sahara is a way more significant geographical barrier than anything between Europe and Asia.
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Oct 4, 2018 12:49
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Leviathan Song posted:Seems as reasonable as splitting Eurasia into two continents. The Sahara is a way more significant geographical barrier than anything between Europe and Asia. More significant that the Caucasus but less significant than the Turks.
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Oct 4, 2018 12:52
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Platystemon posted:I’m the self‐reported data. It's pretty easy to verify though, if the two people both report having sex with each other, you keep it, if they don't, you toss it. I'm sure there was some guy saying he banged 20 girls at school, but only one girl confirming it.
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Oct 4, 2018 13:48
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It stuck out to me specifically because they split one continent and only one of them but then mashed two together. I get what you're saying but it still bothers me because it's so inconsistent. When I looked more closely it struck me as "the parts Rome cared about and the parts Rome didn't." Like was said it's pretty obviously "this chart is about Rome being the best thing." Yup. That's why the North Africa chart doesn't include, say, the Kingdom of Aksum. Sure, they were around for over 800 years and took over a huge chunk of NE Africa, but they were never integrated into the Roman Empire and therefore not important.
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Oct 4, 2018 16:13
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Don Gato posted:I'm going to guess the creator was from the UK. If the creator is from the UK then the UK would be pink not red. The height of the bars seems to be pretty arbitrary as all 'areas' are the same height. So UK gets the fill the whole of the UK bar, but the USSR never controlled all of Northern Europe so it doesn't. The chart is a perfect example of people displaying potentially interesting information, the rise and fall of empires, and having no idea how to do it. If you take the British Empire on there you might think it's a footnote in history when it was twice as large as the Ottoman Empire at their peaks. The Mali Empire is similarly reduced in stature, at it's peak about 3/4 the size of the Ottoman Empire and one of the richest empires to ever exist but it's tiny line in Africa. Aramoro has a new favorite as of 16:39 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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A 1/3600th of a degree. Edit - that'll teach me not to check the number of posts on the next page. 
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Tobermory posted:Yup. That's why the North Africa chart doesn't include, say, the Kingdom of Aksum. Sure, they were around for over 800 years and took over a huge chunk of NE Africa, but they were never integrated into the Roman Empire and therefore not important. Ethiopia is not considered to be in North Africa, and on the chart 'Axum' is present in the Sub-Saharan Africa category - even if the latter is arguably reductive, I suppose Horn of Africa could be its own category. I wonder how much of this discussion is due to Americans simply not being aware of the cultural distinctiveness of North Africa due to there being (relatively speaking) almost no North African immigrants in the US. None of the people of North African (usually Moroccan) descent I know in Belgium would ever describe themselves as African, or would be described as such by native Europeans. Their identity is much more likely to be some combination of Arab/Berber/muslim. I guess it's kind of like Europeans putting all Latin Americans in the same bag.
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It'd be cool if someone would make a real one of those with every known polity & whatnot one day
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Krankenstyle posted:It'd be cool if someone would make a real one of those with every known polity & whatnot one day Gaecron already has the data, or at least some decent stab at it. Convert it into a chart where the the width of the lines are proportional to the surface area of the country. Of course the Mercator projection will need to be ditched to make that turn out right.
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Tetracube posted:blue dots: 1,000,000 a dozen purple dots for troons, like me
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So uh... based on these numbers what exactly is their justification for including Tesla in these “big three”? It seems like they’re basing it entirely on “we’ve heard of them”. The only category they’re anywhere close to comparable is share price, and based on the other numbers that just seems like it’s massively inflated.
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Oct 5, 2018 16:45
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The only category they’re anywhere close to comparable is share price, and based on the other numbers that just seems like it’s massively inflated. I believe that's exactly the point of the graph. They think Tesla is grossly overvalued, hence the quotation marks.
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Oct 5, 2018 17:39
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The Cheshire Cat posted:So uh... based on these numbers what exactly is their justification for including Tesla in these “big three”? Largest market capitalization. Hippie Hedgehog posted:I believe that's exactly the point of the graph. They think Tesla is grossly overvalued, hence the quotation marks. An opinion shared by many. https://www.benzinga.com/general/education/17/04/9289557/tesla-and-the-auto-markets-new-big-three http://vator.tv/news/2017-04-03-are-the-big-three-automakers-now-the-big-four
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Don Gato posted:I'm going to guess the creator was from the UK. I've seen these charts in the wild, but only in the hands of Evangelical types using them to chart the "greatness" of (white, european) civilisation. They were all the rage in those circles in the mid-to late 90's
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:I believe that's exactly the point of the graph. They think Tesla is grossly overvalued, hence the quotation marks. Don't worry Elon is fixing that.
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Oct 6, 2018 13:38
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Tunicate posted:They do the same with the eastern roman empire Yeah, it's fuckin bullshit.
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Oct 7, 2018 00:09
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  Garbage homeopathy study published in a real journal: https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/bogus-homeopathy-data-published-in-top-journal-sparks-outcry-facepalms/
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Oct 12, 2018 18:20
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Journals will publish anything and everything put in front of them.
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Boiled Water posted:Journals will publish anything and everything put in front of them. 100% depends on the reviewers you get
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Oct 14, 2018 14:48
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Whooping Crabs posted:100% depends on the reviewers you get Cite them a bunch and they're bought.
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Oct 14, 2018 14:55
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Boiled Water posted:Cite them a bunch and they're bought. Very true
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Oct 14, 2018 16:14
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Boiled Water posted:Cite them a bunch and they're bought. Aren't the reviews anonymous?
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Oct 14, 2018 16:50
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Count Roland posted:Aren't the reviews anonymous? Yes, but it's often not all that hard to tell who they are either due to their writing style or because they suggest that you cite a bunch of their work.
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Plus, of the 10-25 people in your field, half will have to declare conflict of interest because you've written papers with them recently. Two other good techniques for getting papers thru are to either making it to unreadable people just give it a "weak accept, high confidence" review without reading it, lazily assuming somebody else will catch if it is bad, or to write something so contentless and without scientific contribution, but making it easy-readable and people will accept it because it made them feel clever for understanding it.
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klafbang posted:Plus, of the 10-25 people in your field, half will have to declare conflict of interest because you've written papers with them recently. I thought that only worked in Grievance StudiesTM.
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If anyone has an actually good infographic like that world history chart I'd like to see it. I'm terrible at lining world history up in my head, and how one areas history lines up with another. Can certainly see the issues with that one, though.
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