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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Dealt with at the time no doubt meant reorganizing your life around avoiding your assaulter and not ruinin a good man's name. These people are so hosed up i've been dealing with a "the dems can't isolate the center!" guy at work lately and now i just bring up trump supporters and ask him "what the hell can you say to reach these people?" he usually says "nothing" and shuts up, which i take as a win
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Business Gorillas posted:i've been dealing with a "the dems can't isolate the center!" guy at work lately and now i just bring up trump supporters and ask him "what the hell can you say to reach these people?" if only someone could explain this to morning joe who keeps screaming for democrats to find a message that will appeal to these chuds
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One of the big lessons people specifically don't want to learn is that "the center", "moderates", "independents" and "swing voters" are all universally morons who have no core ideals to appeal to and will swing on the last bullshit they happen to hear
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Business Gorillas posted:i've been dealing with a "the dems can't isolate the center!" guy at work lately and now i just bring up trump supporters and ask him "what the hell can you say to reach these people?" I mentioned to a coworker that Clinton appealing to moderate GOP would never work because there is no moderate GOP, and she got all mad and was like "I consider myself a moderate!" and I was like who did you vote for then and she got all redfaced
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ikanreed posted:One of the big lessons people specifically don't want to learn is that "the center", "moderates", "independents" and "swing voters" are all universally morons who have no core ideals to appeal to and will swing on the last bullshit they happen to hear someone in D&D linked this article by Chris Hayes from 2004 that makes almost the same point ("A disturbing number of undecided voters are crypto-racist isolationists."), and boy does it sure seem relevant today!
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on a related note: im really getting tired of media referring to jeff flake as a moderate republican bc he can furrow his brow before voting on party lines
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:on a related note: im really getting tired of media referring to jeff flake as a moderate republican bc he can furrow his brow before voting on party lines for real that motherfucker was one of the earlier tea party guys
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The idea that there's this huge reservoir of moderate swing votes, of disappointed centrists who value  and are put off by extremism, is complete bullshit.Most "independent" voters are extremely reliable supporters of one party or another, they just like to call themselves independent because they really value their self-image as free-thinking mavericks who make up their own minds and aren't just unthinking partisan drones. I remember a lot of right-wing radio yakkers liked to bill themselves as independent thinkers just calling for "common sense" politics, but not Republicans, nosirree. zegermans posted:I mentioned to a coworker that Clinton appealing to moderate GOP would never work because there is no moderate GOP, and she got all mad and was like "I consider myself a moderate!" and I was like who did you vote for then and she got all redfaced Most people like to think of themselves as reasonable, moderate thinkers, no matter how batshit or out-there their ideas are. A lot of "independent" conservative voters rant about how much they dislike the Republican party, because many times it's just not rightwing enough for them.
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they wanna project things onto independent voters like their supposed persuadability because they don't want to discuss nonvoters
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also a line I heard from woman trump voters: I hate hillary for letting bill off the hook like, then why did you vote for bill's eskimo brother
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I've always divided "independents" into four classes: 1) (The largest) Very reliable voters for one party or the other, they just like calling themselves independent because it builds their self image as open-minded free-thinkers. 2) People with cross-cutting issue concerns that don't neatly map onto the Republican-Democrat axis (example: a hunter who is very concerned about the environment but also really really loves his guns) 3) People who approach elections the way civics class tells you to: they read the candidate statements, look at their stands on the issues, read the policy sections of their websites, and watch the debates, and then make up their minds. The smallest of the four groups, IMO. 4) Really loving dumb people (aka "low information voters") who lack the cognitive framework to understand and evaluate the issues and the parties but feel the need to vote anyway.
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AkumaHokoru posted:if only someone could explain this to morning joe who keeps screaming for democrats to find a message that will appeal to these chuds If only democrats could adopt a platform of "Black people need to shut up or die" and "get rid of the messicans" they could finally appeal to those independents moderates. Just be more right wing, Democrats. The republicans have gone crazy so just become Republicans of 20 years ago and everyone will like you. Progressive ideas are crazy and could never work, just drift farther right it's your only hope!
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Megera posted:My dad sent me an email of Fox News talking points immediately after Trump won. Even though he initially supported Ben Carson, then moved onto Ted Cruz, and was stuck with Trump. It's all about "their side" winning. your dad is a mega retard, sorry man i'd go to a doctor and get yourself checked out just in case
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Steel tariffs are doing their thingquote:The steel industry was already in a period of renewal when Trump slapped 25 percent tariffs on steel imports….The tariffs sent the price of steel surging more than 33 percent. “We have a strong U.S. exposure; clearly we are a net beneficiary of the trade actions,” Aditya Mittal, chief financial officer of ArcelorMittal, said in August, according to Bloomberg News. quote:When President Trump imposed tariffs on steel imports in June, Richard Lattanzi thought of dozens of his fellow steelworkers who have for years put off badly needed repairs of their cars and homes. “There was a lot of excitement here; there were a lot of us saying, ‘It’s about time someone is looking out for us,’ ” said Lattanzi, the mayor of this town of 7,000 and a safety inspector at the U.S. Steel plant in nearby West Mifflin. quote:ArcelorMittal is also demanded sweeping concessions, including wage givebacks and cuts to vacation pay, as well as the elimination of profit-sharing bonuses for newer workers. Out-of-pocket health care costs will increase by up to $9,300 over the three years of the contract. FMguru has issued a correction as of 17:47 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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MunchE posted:If only democrats could adopt a platform of "Black people need to shut up or die" and "get rid of the messicans" they could finally appeal to those independents moderates. they already are repubs of 20 years ago FMguru posted:I've always divided "independents" into four classes: group 3 is really group 4, anyone who isnt a dipshit knows those statements are lies
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FMguru posted:Steel tariffs are doing their thing "Don't trust management, they will assfuck you every time" seems like a really simple lesson, and yet...
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steinrokkan posted:I know that dehumanizing the Eastern Hordes (who were even worse than the Germans!) has been cool, historically, but try to be subtle, at least. Is that list proportionate with: Occupation; Population; Proportion of Jews Murdered?
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Zeroisanumber posted:"Don't trust management, they will assfuck you every time" seems like a really simple lesson, and yet... Yet they voted in more management and are surprised their asses are being hosed.
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Roki B posted:Yet they voted in more management and are surprised their asses are being hosed. huh weird. Have they tried more management yet? This usually solves the issue.
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lol big manly steelworkers are bootlickers compared to WV teachers that are primarily middle aged women apparently they got hosed over by their union, so they responded by going wildcat and voting them all out if they don't strike they're never gonna stop getting hosed
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HobbitGrease posted:someone in D&D linked this article by Chris Hayes from 2004 that makes almost the same point ("A disturbing number of undecided voters are crypto-racist isolationists."), and boy does it sure seem relevant today! Nation’s Still-Undecided Voters: ‘Help, We Can’t Get Our Car Seatbelts Off’
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It's always funny when they do the last presidential debate of the schedule with a focus group of "undecided" voters. The official framing is always that these wise Solons are still carefully taking the measure of the two candidates, but when interviewed they reveal themselves to be complete loving morons, because after 18 straight months of campaign coverage, conventions, billions of dollars in campaign and superPAC ads, and the first several debates, only a complete moron is still standing there going "I don't know...I need to hear more" three weeks before the election.
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Epic High Five posted:lol big manly steelworkers are bootlickers compared to WV teachers that are primarily middle aged women apparently sounds like proof that unions are bad for workers. owned lib
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World War Mammories posted:sounds like proof that unions are bad for workers. owned lib wrong workers are bad for unions, frankly. those fuckers don't know whats good for them.
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FMguru posted:It's always funny when they do the last presidential debate of the schedule with a focus group of "undecided" voters. The official framing is always that these wise Solons are still carefully taking the measure of the two candidates, but when interviewed they reveal themselves to be complete loving morons, because after 18 straight months of campaign coverage, conventions, billions of dollars in campaign and superPAC ads, and the first several debates, only a complete moron is still standing there going "I don't know...I need to hear more" three weeks before the election. yet they never show on cnn the disenfranchised 
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Frog Act posted:there were basically no Jewish Nazi sympathizer, only Jewish people trying to figure out what the appropriate degree of accommodation was re: things like Jewish councils in ghettos attempting to minimize deaths by working with the SS and the odd religious crank who felt the German state was making the wrath of God manifest upon the Jewish people for being insufficiently pious and breaking their covenant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Maximalism
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quote:The Revisionist Maximalists became the largest faction in the ZRM in 1930 but collapsed in support in 1933 after Ahimeir's controversial decision to support Nazi Germany due to its fascist and anti-communist stances, while opposing their antisemitic policies. he seems nice
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HobbitGrease posted:someone in D&D linked this article by Chris Hayes from 2004 that makes almost the same point ("A disturbing number of undecided voters are crypto-racist isolationists."), and boy does it sure seem relevant today! That article is hilarious. "The war has been a disastrous boondoggle from before it ever started, why can't these idiot common-clay voters see how some other idiot who also supported this disastrous boondoggle of a war on the wrong country over made-up bullshit he lied about is the right man for the job?! Poor me I just can't get through to these morons."
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:he seems nice The funniest bit is when he lauded Nazi Germany for a bit but advised Hitler to tone down the anti-semitism
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Hi it's me the decorum fascist
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Mycroft Holmes posted:oh hey, we're on page 191. anybody want to bitch about Turtledove? Decent escapism.
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FMguru posted:3) People who approach elections the way civics class tells you to: they read the candidate statements, look at their stands on the issues, read the policy sections of their websites, and watch the debates, and then make up their minds. The smallest of the four groups, IMO. I'm pretty much this but there hasn't been a republican worth voting for since my mom was born in the 50s. I just vote for the closest thing to a socialist during the primary and then the left most Democrat on the ballot during the general. I live near Seattle so my districts often have 2 D's running against each other. For Senate races I just hold my nose and vote for Cantwell and Murray, they're definitely SUCC but a couple of the least worst.
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veiled boner fuel posted:They're loving insane. "There was no intercourse so [attempted rape is] just a touch" and "what HS boy hasn't done [attempted rapes]" is the craziest loving poo poo I've ever seen. I didn't for one, I don't think any of my buddies did either. That's like, 12 of us right there.
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FMguru posted:3) People who approach elections the way civics class tells you to: they read the candidate statements, look at their stands on the issues, read the policy sections of their websites, and watch the debates, and then make up their minds. The smallest of the four groups, IMO. I'm not really sure what elections there are where someone capable of critical thought needs to examine the candidates.
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KiteAuraan posted:I didn't for one, I don't think any of my buddies did either. That's like, 12 of us right there. lmao soy boys amirite
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Mycroft Holmes posted:oh hey, we're on page 191. anybody want to bitch about Turtledove? He's OK. He taught me that everyone was having tons of awkward, unprotected sex all the time back in the 40's.
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Zeroisanumber posted:He's OK. He taught me that everyone was having tons of awkward, unprotected sex all the time back in the 40's. you can tell if someone read a turtledove novel by their habit of repeating themselves. you can tell if someone read a turtledove novel by their habit of repeating themselves.
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