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Your recruiter will administer an APFT and the results will go in your board packet. If you don't pass then your recruiter will probably tell you to go work on your fitness for a few months because there's absolutely no reason for him to bring a packet forward with a guy that can't pass the APFT. If all this sounds stupid or arbitrary, the Army is not for you. I'm not joking. iKon fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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It doesn't sound stupid or arbitrary, I just figured that I would be meeting those standards after basic training anyway. I don't intend to avoid the physical aspect of the military, I was just hoping to get in as quickly as possible and then begin that sort of work. But alright, I'll start hitting the gym so-to-speak.
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I will also say this: the Army is not for smart people. If you still decide to put a packet in, so be it.
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Hi, I'm a civilian interested in Officer Candidate School. Have you considered not joining the Army?
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You know I'm gonna say one last thing to dissuade you since I don't feel like rehashing my story, or McNally's story for that matter. If you listen to anybody in this thread, listen to McNally. He got a deep dicking that's still being fixed at the congressional level. If you really want to join, do this for the next two weeks: 1. Wake up at 4:30, put on short shorts and a t-shirt and go wait outside in the cold for an hour 2. Jog around a little bit and pretend you're exercising until 7:30 3. In the next twenty minutes: go to the worst motel room you can rent, shower, eat, and punch yourself in the dick 4. Dig a ditch from 10-12 5. Sit and do literally nothing until 4:00 PM 6. At 4, post in here asking if you can go home yet. We'll say "maybe" 7. At 7 PM, actually go home 8. Drink entire fifth of vodka 9. Punch yourself in the dick again 10. Sleep Then ask yourself if you want to do that for at least three years.
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That's pretty accurate from full time to national guard. Lots of nothing, somehow daily activities get bottlenecked because leaders have to design tomorrow bullshit before they can form you up to tell you about the stuff you probably won't get done tomorrow anyway.
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When you go before your OCS Board they will absolutely look at your APFT score and if you're scoring the minimums they will probably give that slot to someone else or just hold onto it. I got a 298 on mine and they asked me why I didn't have a 300.
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Have you thought about what branch you want to compete for? What postings are currently competitive for that branch? ADSOs or temporary branch assignments? Are you talking to an OCS recruiter, or is it just a regular recruiter who's going to grift you into enlisting with a degree?
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Additionally, have someone be your immediate superior who tells you you're an empowered leader, you need to make decisions and they can't micro-manage or hold your hand. They will, every time you make a decision, tell you you're wrong and berate you for not consulting them. They will micromanage you. After being "counseled" call six friends who thought they were on their time and tell them to be on your position NOW for tasking. Your superior will tell you "it's being worked out" and to "stand by" any time you ask. Sit around doing nothing for hours until your boss, that evening, asks you "what the gently caress are you still doing here?" and yells at you for wasting your people's time when they could be with their families
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If your goal is to simply pass the test minimums by the time you finish basic, just enlist.* OCS is not for people who cannot already pass with a decent score. *don’t actually do this.
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Vasudus posted:The concept in corporate world is called <checks notes> "Work-Life Balance". You see, plenty of good companies actually give a poo poo about their workers enough that they don't have to be ramming their dicks up your rear end about it 24/7. So things like "I don't like the traffic here so I come early and leave early", "I have the plumber coming sometime on Thursday so I'm working from home", "I can't work late at all because my babysitter is only there until 5" are not only acceptable, they're so mundane that it hardly gets any attention. I've been substitute teaching for while now and it still blows my mind how easy it is to just ask to leave work 30 minutes early if you want to catch a ballgame (or something similar), or just leave for half a day to handle something. It's still kinda shocking to have an administrator be like: "Sure, no problem." about whatever I ask for. Also, go be teachers you guys. Once I'm certified I'll only be working 187 days out of the year, but paid a salary with benefits and retirement. I'm also pulling into the parking lot on work days at 0730 and on my way home by 3.
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EBB posted:I will also say this: the Army is not for smart people. If you still decide to put a packet in, so be it. Also, dude who is asking about the PT test: the APFT is not hard. If you're in reasonable shape, or anywhere reasonably close to being considered "in shape", then you should be able to prep for this and knock out a decent score without too much trouble. The thing that kills people on pushups and situps is sloppy form; if you practice doing them correctly each and every time, you will do fine. Do pushups and situps throughout the day. The thing that kills people on the run is... well, running. Run more. The PT test isn't hard, you just have to have enough Heart™.
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This guy realizes that officer training anywhere is competitive, right? You need to be presenting your best self from the start because they're looking for excuses to cut you from consideration. It's not like enlisting where they'll take just about anyone.
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I'm in the IRR and just got offered a AGR spot and need someone to tell me I'm dumb for considering it. When I was in I was a flight slot which was awesome I just hated living in the barracks/having the Army tell me where I had to live. The slot is in a area that I would want to live and looks like I would be doing admin stuff and getting on flights every once in awhile. Does anyone know what the process of going into a AGR slot entails? Is there a chance that I sign up for it and then they gently caress me and I don't have the slot? I've already got job offers that would give me about the same money but only doing 2 24 hour shifts a week... but helicopters below 100ft is always fun.
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cool go ahead an go back to active when we are about to go to war with: -north korea -china -russia -Venezuela mattis will be fired after the midterm. its going to be a purge. he’ll shove john bolton into secdef then the real fun starts
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Yeah the midterm axing will be apocalyptic in comparison to so far
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Hey, remember: How you had to have a doctor's note for staying home with the flu? Or for not being able to do push-ups for a couple of days? Having to get a signed permission slip from your boss's boss to go someplace moderately far away on a weekend? Picking up tiny pieces of trash by hand, instead of going home, when there's no work to be done? Endlessly emptying and filling connexes because someone can't find a $20 piece of equipment that you've had on the books since 1953? Bring yelled at like a literal child for having dusty shoes? Reading things written by people that have never cracked a book? Having half of your monthly salary taken away and working forced overtime because you looked at someone funny? Being on call 24/7/365? The "top 10%" rating scheme? Monthly performance reviews, despite every day being Groundhog Day? Red Excel blocks? PowerPoint anything? The mish-mash of partially conceived, poorly executed systems that you are required to use to actually do anything? Waiting for permission to go home well after the sun goes down? Being wholy owned like an indentured servant? Being entirely unable, by threat of prison time, to quit your job? Me either, let's go lease our souls for the potential to go on helicopter rides once or twice a month. If there's room, and the weather is good, and it didn't somehow break sitting on the flight line.
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Jesus christ that was too real. Quit it. I got anxiety reading that.
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being unable to go home because first sergeant is getting a divorce
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Dude, please come back and say something. Even if it's just to say "tldr gently caress you guys".
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Suntan Boy posted:Hey, remember: For anyone entertaining the idea of enlisting when they have the opportunity to get a commission, none of the above really applies to officers and being an officer in the Army can still frequently suck balls, which tells you how much more awful it is being enlisted. For the last point, I don't wait around for someone to tell me when I can go home but I have so much poo poo to do in a given day that it may as well be the same thing.
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Mustang posted:none of the above really applies to officers Hey bro, come to the puzzle palace. Where O4s are the E4s.
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I'd rather shoot myself in the head than become a Major
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Mustang posted:I'd rather shoot myself in the head than become a Major Haha. Why don't you just get out instead.
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I've been around Majors a lot as an S4 and those dudes have such an abysmal work life balance, my XO hasn't actually gotten a 4 day weekend in over a year. Emails me at 2100, or 0300 all the time. I'm torn between hatred at field grades because they're the ones that make my life suck and pity because their lives suck more than mine.
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spacetoaster posted:Haha. Why don't you just get out instead.
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Still need to get my BDE CO's signature after getting back from the field. Not sure what effect he could possibly have, I completed my commitment to the Army already. He's apparently extremely combative towards officers getting out though because over half my year group is getting out. I'd like to see officer retention numbers, BN retention only ever talks about enlisted retention.
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Really just depends on your personality. I got injured early in my career and re-branched (more than once!) after a medboard. I've been doing exactly what I've wanted to do for the last 10 years, or so (drinking/partying across europe and writing policy). I just had to take the old "what are they going to do? Kick me out?" attitude to heart. Like, that's the worst they can do to me.  *edit* I could be retired by lunch tomorrow, if I felt like it.
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Teacher depends a whole lot, though. My wife as a teacher in South Carolina could be toiling for not much more than 25,000 a year, and live on a razor's edge all the time depending what school district she is in. She noped pretty hard out of it really quickly, opting, by her own free will, to work at a nice restaurant downtown as a waitress, having better hours and roughly double the pay. Her classmate works at a school in Dorchester County, Or Beaufort, I forgot, and due to budget shortfalls had her pay reduced by two dollars an hour... ...from 16 dollars. Her classroom is like 40 loving kids running around, so it's more of a damage control than anything resembling teaching or pedagogic growth. In addition, the meme about purchasing your own supplies isn't a joke, but a necessity if anything from this millenia is needed in the classroom. The arts teacher was sent packing since she wasn't "necessary". Kinda like my unicorn awesome experience in the 173rd with 6 hour workdays and constant fourdays is pretty sweet, but doesn't really match up with Mustang's experience, so is teaching in America such A Thing where you might be cozying it up, or getting hosed on the reg from left and right. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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For the guy asking about the APFT... it's going away soon, so yeah
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Valhua when are you getting crippled for life on the DZ
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Vahakyla posted:Teacher depends a whole lot, though. My wife as a teacher in South Carolina could be toiling for not much more than 25,000 a year, and live on a razor's edge all the time depending what school district she is in. She noped pretty hard out of it really quickly, opting, by her own free will, to work at a nice restaurant downtown as a waitress, having better hours and roughly double the pay. That's pretty crappy (the teaching stuff). I'm in a large city and a man wanting to do elementary education (where there are no men. Like, none. 0.)
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Just got confirmation from my chiropractor that my spine is way more hosed up than anyone who is under 30 should be. Wonder what could have caused that. Certainly not jumping out of planes and doing thousands of push-ups in concrete.
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A good idea to ask a real doctor, too. At least every one in SC is a total snake oil salesman.
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Vahakyla posted:A good idea to ask a real doctor, too. At least every one in SC is a total snake oil salesman. Yeah I don't normally agree with Valhalla but chiropractors are scum.
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As a nurse, I think your back is out due to low spine energy. I recommend healing crystals, and lavender essential oils 3x a day along with veneshian tarot card analysis. HMU on the DM if you need any further treatment plans.
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Okay yeah, I've read everything here. It sounds horrible. My life has felt broken down and stuck in a rut since graduation, and every so often I come back to thinking that if I just entered the military, I could get a decent paycheck and feel productive. I need reminders like this to turn away again. Thanks.
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We provide a very important service.
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Okay yeah, I've read everything here. It sounds horrible. Being completely honest for a second. If you join the military with a plan to use it for everything it's worth, you can do 4 years and come out waaaay the gently caress ahead. You could join at 18 into a technical MOS with a clearance. Spend the entire 4 years making friends in that industry, while doing free college/certifications and documenting every single ailment you have. Then, at 22, get the gently caress out with a college degree (or a lot of it done), submit your VA disability claim, go to a civilian college using the GI Bill to pay for everything, get a pretty awesome government/contractor job. And have VETERAN on you for the rest of your life (if you're american you get treated like royalty). There's more, but you absolutely have to have a plan (and know what NOT to do). I have made plans for the kids of two close friends. One of them followed most of the plan but decided she liked being in the army (dumb) and the other makes 6 figures and is a happy as gently caress civilian now(smart). spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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