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Vic posted:
Thanks for the answers. So I want bots to automatically remove wood from my inventory, can I just go to auto-trash slots, and select 0 wood? This will mean I will never keep a single piece of wood in my inventory?
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Assuming your logistics network works, yes.
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Oct 5, 2018 12:56
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Megasabin posted:Thanks for the answers. Yup, slider to the left, or type in zero, you'll only see an icon without a number. That means "dump everything, keep nothing".
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Megasabin posted:2. If it's the latter, what's the best way to deal with this? Will building a requestor chest targeting bots, and then having with an inserter in front of a roboport solve the issue? If you request bots with a requestor chest, will active bots from the network simply fly themselves into the chest? Or will they only bring you bots that were already being stored in other chests in the network? quote:5. I've been having an issue where random stuff keeps ending up in my raw material conveyor belts. Things like engine units or conveyor belt pieces.
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Oct 5, 2018 15:50
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Using the trash slots in conjunction with the logistic slots means you can set your bots to always have you supplied (within network range, obviously) at a set amount, without going over. So setting iron to 300 in your request slots but 500 in your trash slots is like saying "keep 3 stacks of iron on me minimum, but take it away if I go over 5". If you want bots to do other things don't set the trash amount to lower than the request amount. 
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Toast Museum posted:* Let bots enter/exit vehicles and consider train schedules when pathfinding I'd love to see the performance impact of this one.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:12
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necrotic posted:I'd love to see the performance impact of this one. Ideally instead of getting inside the trains they'd just glom onto the sides like those pics you see of trains in India with hundreds of people on the outsides of the cars, but with bots.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:15
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Like babies on a wolf spider
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Oct 5, 2018 18:45
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A rail car with 2/3 the capacity but an integral roboport would be pretty awesome.
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necrotic posted:I'd love to see the performance impact of this one. Are you thinking of a performance hit from interacting with the vehicle or from more complicated pathfinding? If it's the latter, I don't know poo poo about how pathfinding is coded, but maybe the performance hit could be mitigated by bots only considering catching a ride if distance > x. I just want robots to ride to work  chairface posted:Ideally instead of getting inside the trains they'd just glom onto the sides like those pics you see of trains in India with hundreds of people on the outsides of the cars, but with bots. I am 100% okay with this. Collateral Damage posted:A rail car with 2/3 the capacity but an integral roboport would be pretty awesome. Also this. Especially if you can get it to do things like extend the rail and establish outposts.
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I played the demo of this game this morning-- it was fun, so I bought it. I'm about to start my first game. Any suggestions on settings that are newbie friendly?
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Toast Museum posted:Are you thinking of a performance hit from interacting with the vehicle or from more complicated pathfinding? If it's the latter, I don't know poo poo about how pathfinding is coded, but maybe the performance hit could be mitigated by bots only considering catching a ride if distance > x. Definitely path finding. They'd have to hook bot networks into the train pathing system, and for the feature to really be worth it essentially join all the networks across those train paths. It'd be a mess and you could already do this with the existing network stats and circuitry. Could be a fun project, but it probably wouldn't be all that useful.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:06
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Count Roland posted:I played the demo of this game this morning-- it was fun, so I bought it. Probably lower biter frequency. Everything else should be fine and even the biter thing is optional.
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Count Roland posted:I played the demo of this game this morning-- it was fun, so I bought it. Peaceful mode is a good idea for your first game, it keeps the biters from attacking you unless you go out and get rowdy with them yourself. It will help you learn the basics uninterrupted. Also feel free to fully max out the resources during map generation, you can always tone it down in later games but it's fun to just go wild and get plenty of materials at first. If nothing else max all out the oil related spawn settings because oil is a pain in the rear end. Oh and please take and post screenshots of your first base because watching what new players build is pretty much the best thing ever. Everybody has their own unique solutions.
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necrotic posted:Definitely path finding. They'd have to hook bot networks into the train pathing system, and for the feature to really be worth it essentially join all the networks across those train paths. It'd be a mess and you could already do this with the existing network stats and circuitry. Could be a fun project, but it probably wouldn't be all that useful. I guess it wouldn't have to be at the level of individual bot pathfinding. Maybe some kind of logic to look for large spikes in demand in an area and have bots look for a ride if it's far. Large networks of roboports seem to wind up with a lot of bots spending a ton of time in transit, and I have to think there'd be some utility in having a way to ferry a bunch of them across a big coverage area.
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Toast Museum posted:I guess it wouldn't have to be at the level of individual bot pathfinding. Maybe some kind of logic to look for large spikes in demand in an area and have bots look for a ride if it's far. Large networks of roboports seem to wind up with a lot of bots spending a ton of time in transit, and I have to think there'd be some utility in having a way to ferry a bunch of them across a big coverage area. Bots are already the optimal way to play end game. Giving them more advantage doesn't really help. Although the performance hit from your suggestion might make belts competitive on UPS again
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Count Roland posted:I'm about to start my first game. Any suggestions on settings that are newbie friendly? Then use the map preview to get a map that has oil (purple spots) fairly close to the center of your map, or at least located so you don't have to clear out biter nests to reach it.
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By the way, they just added train blueprints to their next build  . https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-263
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The most important thing is to build a horrible spaghetti base while you learn the game and post pictures. Then we'll all sigh and get nostalgic about our first horrible spaghetti bases and offer advice on getting beyond the first horrible spaghetti base. The basic settings are fine. I'd recommend the biggest starting area possible and making biters spread more slowly. Ratchet up resource density of you want. Don't worry too much about it. Learn by failing.
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I'm gonna play this game for the first time in months tonight and I'm honestly hoping we make a big spaghetti mess. There's beauty in a well organized factory but the spaghetti is so satisfying.
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One thing I remember about my old spaghetti factories (heh) is that I also crammed everything into a small area and really made it worse for myself. also I managed to launch a rocket with only like 10 smelters because I thought it was one of those games that you could play while doing something else (I turned off biters) and I just would go watch TV or something while waiting for my smelters to smelt enough to hand-craft things. I don't know what I was thinking.
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Jyrraeth posted:One thing I remember about my old spaghetti factories (heh) is that I also crammed everything into a small area and really made it worse for myself. Boy do I have just the thing for you! https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-132
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Mayveena posted:By the way, they just added train blueprints to their next build That looks great! I really can't wait for the next version now.
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So, game is good. I started out with high resources, and aliens don't attack unless I start poo poo. My plans going in: -Give myself lots of space. -Build based on rows. I watched some of a letsplay on friday and the guy used the "Main Bus" method, which I guess I'm emulating a little bit. All* major production is done left to right to keep things organized. My screen shots don't look very interesting to me but maybe you guys will like them? These are day 1. Here I am trying to figure out how to get two resources on the proper lanes on a single belt.  My overall base (still super early on)  Here I make plates, woo.  Here's my science corner. This is temporary, it depends on me running the resources by hand.  Day 2 (today) Lessons! -I'm going to gently caress myself for space no matter how I do things -Science is way more involved than I realized; machines themselves are part of recipes, and this is only green stuff. -I should have automated belt and inserter building wayyyy earlier than I did, I make an awful lot of stuff by hand. -I read online that inserters can take from chests. I tested this and found I couldn't, guess I was just dumb. Makes life easier though. -I'm learning how to use splitters a bit, handy things. Overall base:  I replaced my first science area with a inserter factory. The science hub is now in the bottom left, and I hope to keep it there. I like how easy it is to disassemble existing stuff. My plan now is to keep with the rows. I'm placing big vertical routes every so often to move resources... currently only in one direction (down) but I image this will change. I'm giving myself even more space. My science is humming along now (red and green) and I'm not sure where to go next, I guess make some steel. Oh, and I just ran into the wilderness to shoot up some biters. I figure the pressure they put on me will keep things interesting. Time to set up some turret/ammo factories!
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The fact that you're already planning thruways for future resource transportation does mean that your initial spaghetti won't be as tittilatingly nightmarish as folks around here really like, but your grasp of the fundamentals is sound. For sure, even without looking at science, there will be times when you need to thread a single belt through half your factory to deliver something non-standard like coal, stone, or stone bricks, and also times when the most logical place to put something which uses an advanced subcomponent is 'before' the plant which manufactures it (looking at you, smart inserters and red circuits).
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I was reminded of this game when I was talking to a friend about laying out PCBs, which I used to do sometimes for work. There's a lot of similarities really, so I had a sort of head start. Now time to hop in my new car, and find some oil!
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I killed a biter nest ages ago, and more recently I provoked a bunch. They followed for some time but eventually I outdrove them. Whats it going to take for them to attack my base? I'd like to do something other than straight building once in a while.
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Count Roland posted:I killed a biter nest ages ago, and more recently I provoked a bunch. They followed for some time but eventually I outdrove them. Normally what would happen is the nests eat any pollution that gets to them. If they eat enough they barf out a wave of biters that come after the source of the pollution. If you turned on peaceful mode they never, ever do that.
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You started with peaceful mode? They only agro a wad at a time. You can turn peaceful mode off in the console, command: /c game.player.surface.peaceful_mode = false Unless somethings changed. I think a lot of people expect them to turn into normal after first blood so its kind of weird that isn't a setting yet.
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zedprime posted:You started with peaceful mode? They only agro a wad at a time. You can turn peaceful mode off in the console, command: Have to admit that setting sounds awesome and I had no idea I wanted it.
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Everyone's first game should be default world settings.  Biters aren't hard in the slightest, just don't ignore military upgrades and you'll do fine.
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Personally I think they can be annoying if you're just learning the very basics, especially if you don't know what provokes biters and how to mitigate it. You can end up spending half your playtime chasing biters because of that and because you haven't learned a good way to automates defenses.
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Count Roland posted:Here I am trying to figure out how to get two resources on the proper lanes on a single belt. Count Roland posted:-I read online that inserters can take from chests. I tested this and found I couldn't, guess I was just dumb. Makes life easier though.
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Also you can rotate things that are already placed!!
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It's also possible that whatever you had the inserter pointing at wasn't set up to receive whatever was in the chest (or was full). An inserter will only insert items that the receiving building will accept, so for instance if you have an inserter taking out of a chest and putting into an assembler, it will only take the items that the assembler needs, regardless of what's in the chest. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Oct 7, 2018 |
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Collateral Damage posted:It's also possible that whatever you had the inserter pointing at wasn't set up to receive whatever was in the chest (or was full). Also it will only insert a few source items, enough to complete I think 2 rounds of fabrication of the component, so you don't have all your items locked up in a factory that might not produce anything (and thus locking up the rest of your factories by starving them of materials)
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Is there any consequence to piping oil very long distances? Is there a reason to barrel it and put it in trains instead?
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Megasabin posted:Is there any consequence to piping oil very long distances? Is there a reason to barrel it and put it in trains instead? The flow rate of a pipe goes down the longer it is. That said, trains are very expensive, and the falloff doesn't matter for most scales.
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