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counterpoint: white people loving suck
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Oct 5, 2018 23:21
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White people suck and every culture that makes up 'white people' is somehow worse than white people as a whole.
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Oct 5, 2018 23:29
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its really stupid to say the "white people suck" stuff in public just like its really stupid to go to WV and say "put coal miners out of work". it doesnt make it any less true though and people who think anti-white reverse racism is a thing absolutely shouldn't be coddled or pandered to
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Oct 5, 2018 23:37
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If being white is an essential component of your identity then there's something seriously wrong with you, and pretending the problem isn't there is non-dialectical.
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Oct 5, 2018 23:39
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also if we're talking about electoral politics its not THAT hard to go to appalachia and sound like a near human and spout some economically populist rhetoric, e.g. break up the banks, prosecute people for white collar crimes, without ever having to touch racially charged stuff. you might not win but you can maybe make some inroads. of course there are very few people amongst the democrats who have any interest in doing this nor the capacity to because they're all ivy league reptilians squarely in the pocket of capital
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Oct 5, 2018 23:43
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If being white is an essential component of your identity then there's something seriously wrong with you, and pretending the problem isn't there is non-dialectical. this is correct and it's a huge loving problem because white people that can be radicalized into realizing that they're white are so so so loving fragile to begin with that they will take idiots shitposting on the internet about how white people are awful as a personal insult it's just going to be one more log to throw on the bonfire of irreconcilable polarization that will lead to the inevitable destruction of the country I am not high enough for this poo poo.
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Oct 5, 2018 23:46
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I, being not white, wonder why white people identify as "white" and not their ancestral/respective/however you wish to put it, ethnic or national origins. I understand that this might be some in-group out-group bullshit but if it's "what makes you what you are", why choose a titular identity instead of say, "Scottish-German" or "Icelandic-Austrian" despite the disassociation with those regions? Of course, I get asked where I'm from at least once every other month, so there's that. I am genuinely curious and if I'm coming off as a jerk, I'm sorry.
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Oct 6, 2018 00:24
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Heartcatch posted:I, being not white, wonder why white people identify as "white" and not their ancestral/respective/however you wish to put it, ethnic or national origins. I understand that this might be some in-group out-group bullshit but if it's "what makes you what you are", why choose a titular identity instead of say, "Scottish-German" or "Icelandic-Austrian" despite the disassociation with those regions? Of course, I get asked where I'm from at least once every other month, so there's that. I think the Europeans do that. Us American crackers were told to "integrate" and stop speaking German and poo poo. Seriously, the entire middle of this country is nothing but Germans. Their newspapers and storefronts were all in German until WW1 happened and the government told them to knock that off.
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Oct 6, 2018 00:29
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White is not a race. It’s the construct that allows for the maintenance of race as a hierarchical system. There’s more to being white than a paper bag test. It involves suppressing any ethnic distinctiveness (other language, traditional dress, customs, food) and becoming aggressively conformist and reactionary. And it’s completely conditional, able to be granted or rescinded as people do or don’t fit the proscriptions. There’s a reason it’s the only racial category that expands and retracts like an accordion.
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Oct 6, 2018 00:30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk8ibrfXvpQ Another word here that is useful is "interpellation" from Louis Althusser. quote:In Marxist theory, interpellation is an important concept regarding the notion of ideology. It is associated in particular with the work of French philosopher Louis Althusser. According to Althusser, every society is made up of Ideological State Apparatuses (ISAs) and Repressive State Apparatuses (RSAs) which are instrumental to constant reproduction of the relations to production of that given society. While ISAs belong to the private domain and refer to private institutions (family, church but also the media and politics), the RSA is one public institution (police/military) controlled by the government. Consequently, 'interpellation' describes the process by which ideology, embodied in major social and political institutions (ISAs and RSAs), constitutes the very nature of individual subjects' identities through the process of "hailing" them in social interactions. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 00:44 on Oct 6, 2018 |
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Oct 6, 2018 00:39
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Relatedly, my bro is taking a class on Middle Eastern cultures, and he has an Iranian professor (fled the country in the late 70s -- was actually opposed to the Shah but is also opposed to the Islamic theocracy). The professor told a story about how he didn't think in terms of "white" and "black" until he moved to the United States, or really the concept of "race" per se. Early on he was around some people, though I forget the details, and someone pointed out "the black guy over there" and the prof had no idea who he was referring to.
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Oct 6, 2018 00:43
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There are tons of Americans who talk about their Irish, Italian, Jewish, English, etc ancestry. It's pretty normal in my experience, even when those ancestors were enough generations in the past that their ties to the old country consist of little more than their last name and a few half forgotten family traditions. There are also state, regional, and even occupational identities. The people whose identities begin and end with "white" are very likely to be racist.
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Oct 6, 2018 00:46
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cargo cult posted:its really stupid to say the "white people suck" stuff in public just like its really stupid to go to WV and say "put coal miners out of work". it doesnt make it any less true though and people who think anti-white reverse racism is a thing absolutely shouldn't be coddled or pandered to literally the only thing i'm saying is "stop saying 'white people suck' in public"
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Oct 6, 2018 00:47
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Business Gorillas posted:literally the only thing i'm saying is "stop saying 'white people suck' in public" You think I just go down to buffalo wild wings on Thursday nights and scream “gently caress white people!” ?
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Oct 6, 2018 00:49
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Business Gorillas posted:literally the only thing i'm saying is "stop saying 'white people suck' in public" that's why people are making fun of you for being a honky crybaby yes
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Oct 6, 2018 00:49
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ponzicar posted:There are tons of Americans who talk about their Irish, Italian, Jewish, English, etc ancestry. It's pretty normal in my experience, even when those ancestors were enough generations in the past that their ties to the old country consist of little more than their last name and a few half forgotten family traditions. There are also state, regional, and even occupational identities. The people whose identities begin and end with "white" are very likely to be racist.
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Oct 6, 2018 00:50
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business hammocks posted:You think I just go down to buffalo wild wings on Thursday nights and scream “gently caress white people!” ? do it in walmart, you coward
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Oct 6, 2018 00:51
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For me it's the cool black teens on the train who I overhear making jokes about the nerdy white guy. Are they talking about me? Making... fun of me? *looks around* Hey wait a second... I'm the only white person on this train!
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Oct 6, 2018 00:52
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:For me it's the cool black teens on the train who I overhear making jokes about the nerdy white guy. Are they talking about me? Making... fun of me? This is how the knockout game starts
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Oct 6, 2018 00:56
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cargo cult posted:also if we're talking about electoral politics its not THAT hard to go to appalachia and sound like a near human and spout some economically populist rhetoric, e.g. break up the banks, prosecute people for white collar crimes, without ever having to touch racially charged stuff. you might not win but you can maybe make some inroads. of course there are very few people amongst the democrats who have any interest in doing this nor the capacity to because they're all ivy league reptilians squarely in the pocket of capital
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Oct 6, 2018 00:59
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freckle posted:do it in walmart, you coward do it in the golden corral next to walmart, after church lets out but before they all go to the walmart.
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Oct 6, 2018 01:01
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:"White" seems stronger in the South and also the interior as whiteness ate the Germans. But the way I'd liken this interpellation process is some chud watching Fox News and Tucker Carlson going "the libs are hellbent on white genocide, which is a threat to... you!" And the guy responds and ka-bam: he is now subjected to ideology. He was already lured in and in the process his whiteness is reinforced. It really depends on where you're at. I'm in Minnesota and it really, really varies even from county to county, particularly as you get further north. Like, the joke is that Minnesota is nothing but Lutherans, but there's a good number of counties that are majority Catholic because the county was founded mostly by folks from Ireland. Down where I'm at, plenty of places are predominantly Scandinavian ancestry, mostly Norwegian and Swedish, but there's a couple counties up north that were majority Finn. Very few Danes for whatever reason. There's even one town near me that has a ton of Czech ancestry, of which I share a small part. Heck, the Minnesota accent everyone knows from Fargo is a direct result of Scandinavian immigrants. As a kid, it was super common for everyone in my school to know where their ancestors came from, which is I think a consequence of growing up in a place that was >95% white. Most folks around here had some German ancestry, but I don't know that I ever knew anyone who didn't have a solid portion of other nationalities mixed in there.
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Oct 6, 2018 01:05
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Heartcatch posted:I, being not white, wonder why white people identify as "white" and not their ancestral/respective/however you wish to put it, ethnic or national origins. I understand that this might be some in-group out-group bullshit but if it's "what makes you what you are", why choose a titular identity instead of say, "Scottish-German" or "Icelandic-Austrian" despite the disassociation with those regions? Of course, I get asked where I'm from at least once every other month, so there's that. That stuff is largely bullshit too, but of the lib affectation version. Americans ought to just identify with their state or something similarly tangible. A lot of Americans do get brought up in a cultural vacuum thats filled in with strip malls and Pizza Hut, but thats still more of an identity than trying to play up kinship to Great-Aunt Hilda. ponzicar posted:There are tons of Americans who talk about their Irish, Italian, Jewish, English, etc ancestry. It's pretty normal in my experience, even when those ancestors were enough generations in the past that their ties to the old country consist of little more than their last name and a few half forgotten family traditions. There are also state, regional, and even occupational identities. The people whose identities begin and end with "white" are very likely to be racist. Every American knows what white and black means because America really cares about it. Sometimes people just say theyre white because they are
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Oct 6, 2018 01:06
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420 Gank Mid posted:that's why people are making fun of you for being a honky crybaby yes if you have a solution to building a mass movement to make the world better that excludes white people, i'm all for hearing it and you can shout how much you hate white people all day if you don't, i'm tired of dealing with self-righteous liberals more worried about purity politics than actually changing anything
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Oct 6, 2018 01:06
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:That stuff is largely bullshit too, but of the lib affectation version. Americans ought to just identify with their state or something similarly tangible. A lot of Americans do get brought up in a cultural vacuum thats filled in with strip malls and Pizza Hut, but thats still more of an identity than trying to play up kinship to Great-Aunt Hilda.
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Oct 6, 2018 01:09
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Heartcatch posted:I, being not white, wonder why white people identify as "white" and not their ancestral/respective/however you wish to put it, ethnic or national origins. I understand that this might be some in-group out-group bullshit but if it's "what makes you what you are", why choose a titular identity instead of say, "Scottish-German" or "Icelandic-Austrian" despite the disassociation with those regions? Of course, I get asked where I'm from at least once every other month, so there's that. Its literally an in-group, out-group dynamic thats been enculturated. Its why white people tend to break it down further when talking amongst themselves compared when talking to POC "Oh your italian? My grandparents are german" etc etc.
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Oct 6, 2018 01:09
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Business Gorillas posted:if you don't, i'm tired of dealing with self-righteous liberals more worried about purity politics than actually changing anything All those radical anti-white liberals I keep hearing about
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Oct 6, 2018 01:09
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Business Gorillas posted:if you have a solution to building a mass movement to make the world better that excludes white people, i'm all for hearing it and you can shout how much you hate white people all day I love the term purity politics as any time someone uses it you know their opinions are worthless
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Oct 6, 2018 01:11
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White supremacy is a huge barrier to anything that would even begin to address economic inequality. Whiteness was an invention designed to maximize economic exploitation and preempt solidarity. Also it literally kills thousands of Americans a year.
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Oct 6, 2018 01:12
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420 Gank Mid posted:All those radical anti-white liberals I keep hearing about still waiting on your plan for building a working class movement while telling white working class people with zero education on social justice and/or racial constructs "gently caress white people"
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Oct 6, 2018 01:12
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Business Gorillas posted:still waiting on your plan for building a working class movement while telling white working class people with zero education on social justice and/or racial constructs "gently caress white people"
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Oct 6, 2018 01:14
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you dont need a formal education in SJW victimhood studies from Evergreen college to realize it isnt urban youths who are responsible for you being delinquent on your mortgage or facing imminent medical bankruptcy, like come on lol
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Oct 6, 2018 01:15
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Business Gorillas posted:still waiting on your plan for building a working class movement while telling white working class people with zero education on social justice and/or racial constructs "gently caress white people" Maybe they could just stop being so racist
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Oct 6, 2018 01:15
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Business Gorillas posted:still waiting on your plan for building a working class movement while telling white working class people with zero education on social justice and/or racial constructs "gently caress white people" first we gonna need you to provide a plan for your super inclusive working class movement
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Oct 6, 2018 01:16
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Business Gorillas posted:if you have a solution to building a mass movement to make the world better that excludes white people, i'm all for hearing it and you can shout how much you hate white people all day nobody is excluding white people lmao
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Oct 6, 2018 01:18
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I will never see the context, you say this is a comedy forum? I say no, I say this is the battlefield of ideas. And if you want to rumble with a master tactician like myself, you'll have to provide me something nobody else has been able to provide. Only than will I admit that saying gently caress white people on a comedy forum doesn't' require me to act like a dumb pedant
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Oct 6, 2018 01:19
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All the cool gay black girl hipsters are excluding me because I'm normal
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Oct 6, 2018 01:19
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*tears streaming down my face* STOP SAYING I LOVE MAYONNAISE! I JUST WANT TO BE A SOCIALIST LIKE YOU PEOPLE! 
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Oct 6, 2018 01:20
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That definitely makes more sense, thanks for giving your perspectives everyone.business hammocks posted:There’s a reason it’s the only racial category that expands and retracts like an accordion. For some reason, this reminded me of the Grexit crisis when a handful of internet people said that the Greeks weren't white. Coincidentally, the same type of people who saw the Byzantines as white to resist the foul other.
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Oct 6, 2018 01:21
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I mean we all have a bad snarky attitude can't help that
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Oct 6, 2018 01:22
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