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Sinners Sandwich posted:Can we talk about the scariest animated theatrical film coming out this month, The Legend of Hallowaiian brought to you by King's Hawaiian sweet rolls featuring some of the stranger things kids as voiceover performances? Hoooly poo poo those water effects while he’s surfing. Lol
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Penelope is... kind of a gender-swapped Beauty and the Beast? But Christina Ricci with a pig nose and ridged ears is still Christina Ricci, so...
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Oct 5, 2018 19:17
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the thing with feminine monstrosity is that there are mountains of horror, erotica, and horror erotica written about it, but as the horror-adjacency kind of suggests, most of it either ends with the beast-woman dying or killing the dude Kemonozume is a personal favorite of mine and doesn't end in tragedy for the couple but it kind of chickens out by making the woman a shapeshifter rather than going all-in on "this is my cannibal lizard-monster girlfriend, what of it?"
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Oct 5, 2018 21:02
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I want a cannibal lizard monster girlfriend, Now
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Oct 5, 2018 21:14
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Basically we need Alien except Ripley and the Alien get together.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:30
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Schwarzwald posted:Basically we need Alien except Ripley and the Alien get together. Sigourney Weaver definitely all for this movie.
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Oct 5, 2018 23:21
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That happened n Alien resurrection.
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paradoxGentleman posted:The Shape of Water proved that the market is ready for lady monsterfuckers. It seems like the attitude of mainstream media towards inter-species romance has always been "It's okay if the female is human or close to it".
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Oct 7, 2018 01:23
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Schwarzwald posted:Basically we need Alien except Ripley and the Alien get together. Lesbian alien romance now please.
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Oct 7, 2018 02:13
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Cockmaster posted:It seems like the attitude of mainstream media towards inter-species romance has always been "It's okay if the female is human or close to it". I don't know what to blame on that weird standard that audiences have where Belles are allowed to fall in love with Beasts but men aren't allowed to romance monster ladies. There's so much to unpack about it, I don't even know where to begin.
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Oct 7, 2018 03:03
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Splice comes close to that, but then it’s more of a “the real monster is man” thing
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Oct 7, 2018 03:07
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Marvel comics did this at least: Wish I could find a better picture of her design.
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Oct 7, 2018 03:10
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Oh, yeah, anime has got you covered as far as monster girls go.
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Oct 7, 2018 03:37
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Cockmaster posted:It seems like the attitude of mainstream media towards inter-species romance has always been "It's okay if the female is human or close to it". I don't know if it's that so much as when a dude fucks a creature with pronounced human female secondary sexual characteristics people roll their eyes and call it objectification but when a lady fucks a creature with pronounced human male secondary sexual characteristics it's empowering. It's like a weird cross section between the perception of male gaze vs the female gaze in film and the difference in social acceptance between a dildo and a Fleshlight.
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Oct 7, 2018 03:38
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wdarkk posted:Marvel comics did this at least:    doesn't speak the same language but clearly his RAW SEXUAL CHARISMA is just unstoppable
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Oct 7, 2018 03:41
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Also does Galaxy Quest count if she's projecting the illusion of being a human?
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Oct 7, 2018 03:49
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Rand Brittain posted:Oh, yeah, anime has got you covered as far as monster girls go. Oh please, anime monster girls are just super models with cat ears glued onto them. K. Waste posted:Splice comes close to that, but then it’s more of a “the real monster is man” thing Splice was kind of all over the place to the point where I have no idea what they were trying to say with it. The one thing I know for sure is I really could have done without the rape scene at the end. The borderline incestuous consensual sex scene between a father figure and his daughter figure wasn't great either.
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Oct 7, 2018 03:53
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wdarkk posted:Also does Galaxy Quest count if she's projecting the illusion of being a human? I think that one counts.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Splice was kind of all over the place to the point where I have no idea what they were trying to say with it. The one thing I know for sure is I really could have done without the rape scene at the end. The borderline incestuous consensual sex scene between a father figure and his daughter figure wasn't great either. Splice is trying to say a lot of things non-exclusively, which is kinda what rules about it. On one level, it's a very straightforward "when man plays God" sci-fi horror movie; on another level it's a Cronenbergian psychosexual thriller; and then finally it's a critique of big pharma. All of these themes flow together rather organically, where the point is precisely to subvert the ostensibly reactionary premise of the first level - that the problem is simply science becoming "blind" in the absence of God - by clarifying that this critique is meaningless without an accompanying economic and political context. It's one thing to say that scientists lack ethics because they, like, don't believe in a higher power or some poo poo. The actual problem is that there is a self-evident higher power, which is ideology. These aren't just some mad scientists working in the desert making giant tarantulas. They are thoroughly a part of the system, and even this next-gen, state-of-the-art company that literally calls itself NERD. Even the apparently gratuitous incest and sexual violence provides nuance to this. Even though Brody and Polley's characters are ostensibly "equally" responsible for their creations - both being highly qualified experts - the chasm between how they come to relate to their creation is inherently unequal. Systematically, there is no equality. This godless science merely reproduces the highly exploitative conditions that were always underlying this superficial progressivism. By the end of the film, Polley is reduced to a brood mare for the anti-Christ. These things are horrific and repulsive but, of course, it's a body horror movie. The spectacle is the substance. The apparent gratuity shocks us out of complacency.
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wdarkk posted:Also does Galaxy Quest count if she's projecting the illusion of being a human? Galaxy Quest is a good movie. K. Waste posted:Splice is trying to say a lot of things non-exclusively, which is kinda what rules about it. On one level, it's a very straightforward "when man plays God" sci-fi horror movie; on another level it's a Cronenbergian psychosexual thriller; and then finally it's a critique of big pharma. All of these themes flow together rather organically, where the point is precisely to subvert the ostensibly reactionary premise of the first level - that the problem is simply science becoming "blind" in the absence of God - by clarifying that this critique is meaningless without an accompanying economic and political context. It's one thing to say that scientists lack ethics because they, like, don't believe in a higher power or some poo poo. The actual problem is that there is a self-evident higher power, which is ideology. These aren't just some mad scientists working in the desert making giant tarantulas. They are thoroughly a part of the system, and even this next-gen, state-of-the-art company that literally calls itself NERD. Surprise rape scenes in movies are never shocking to me, or most women from what I've heard. They're just a mildly unpleasant reminder of the threat I live with daily, a dull reminder of a horror that's played for shock value on screen and not taken seriously at all in real life. As for the other stuff you said: I guess? I dunno, I think you got more out of this one than I did.
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Oct 7, 2018 05:01
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Go see Smallfoot, why are you guys not talking about it more, it’s like the best animated film of the last 3 years easily?????
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It’s literally every single thing we’ve been saying we wanted animated films to do?!? e: And the song about the flow of information is completely loving sick, that entire scene is killer. That's one of the best scenes I've ever seen in an animated film. Pick fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Oct 7, 2018 |
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I'm also surprised the earlier poster didn't like this song. It's not the best in the film, but I thought it was a really clever way to work in the one cover, plus it lays out a character motivation solidly given two minutes. Also, it's a completely credible conflict that I promise you that real documentarians have: he cares about animals and wants to save them, but it's hard to sell old-fashioned nature shows in tyool 2018 and he's totally underwater. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw5GJsY6Hj8
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Oct 7, 2018 07:29
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Pick posted:Go see Smallfoot, why are you guys not talking about it more, it’s like the best animated film of the last 3 years easily????? Because not a single joke in the trailer landed for me. And I disliked every single design shown. Are the jokes better in context perhaps?
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Oct 7, 2018 07:35
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Renoistic posted:Because not a single joke in the trailer landed for me. And I disliked every single design shown. Are the jokes better in context perhaps? I mean I guess because it's not a comedy at all? It's weird if they tried to brand it as one. It's just a really interesting premise that's explored in a thoughtful way. It's like not going to see ParaNorman because it's not funny.
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Oct 7, 2018 07:39
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Pick posted:I mean I guess because it's not a comedy at all? It's weird if they tried to brand it as one. It's just a really interesting premise that's explored in a thoughtful way. It's like not going to see ParaNorman because it's not funny. If that's the case the trailer sure showed nothing of it.
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Renoistic posted:If that's the case the trailer sure showed nothing of it. I never saw the trailer, but as with most trailers, it was probably cut by a moron.
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After Bridge to Terabithia, I learned to never trust trailers.
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I remember the trailers that painted Bicentennial Man as a goofy comedy about a family and their robot man, to the point that it was paired up with the contemporary family film of Toy Story 2 in some advertising. Bicentennial Man is decidedly more a drama about a robot who wants to become human and, over the course of two hundred years, turns himself into one bit-by-bit, which admittedly still has comedic moments. You can guess what the trailers were cut entirely out of. That said, fanmade recut trailers to this end are amusing as hell. I love horror-film Mary Poppins or that one goon-made family-friendly drama The Shining.
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Shadow Hog posted:That said, fanmade recut trailers to this end are amusing as hell. I love horror-film Mary Poppins or that one goon-made family-friendly drama The Shining. I like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_mW8mBzmHo
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Oct 7, 2018 09:12
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wdarkk posted:Marvel comics did this at least: Weirdly, for a marvel character, Namor draws the line at loving redheads: 
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Oct 7, 2018 09:23
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Namor is a jerk and it's great. He cucks Reed Richards and tells him to treat his wife better.
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There are a couple of panels there where either her neck is gone or her boobs are jammed up on her collar bone and it's really bothering me.
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Das Boo posted:There are a couple of panels there where either her neck is gone or her boobs are jammed up on her collar bone and it's really bothering me. Greg Land is a lovely artist.
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Oct 7, 2018 12:27
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Alhazred posted:Greg Land is a lovely artist. Is he the guy who traces porn?
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Oct 7, 2018 12:38
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The_Doctor posted:Is he the guy who traces porn? Yeah: 
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Oct 7, 2018 12:44
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But there are dozens (dozens!) of people who like it because "photorealism" is the be-all and end-all of comic book art for them. (I was also surprised to learn this but really should not have been.)
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Oct 7, 2018 13:25
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Most of the people still reading comics at this point are thoroughly Stockholm Syndrome'd.
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Oct 7, 2018 13:42
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I think a lot of the people who love Greg Land art (and that creepy-looking uncanny valley stuff Salvador Larocca does on the Star Wars comic nowadays) are probably the same people who gripe a lot about "Cal Arts style".
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To bring it more back to our discussion of 'beast and beauty' narratives, as to why examples of men playing beauties and beasts being portrayed as female are relatively less common... After all, Beauty and Beast fairy tales exist to normalize and romanticize ruling-class patriarchy. There is no paradigmatic opposite of that formula where the beauty is a man. Now, obviously, an enterprising and self-critical artist can very much try to subvert expectations, but at a certain point we need to recognize the central problem here: Beauty and Beast narratives exist because of the fundamental inequality between men and women in a patriarchal society. The paradigmatic opposite of Beauty and the Beast isn't, say, the 1976 British comedy Queen Kong. It's simply the story of the valiant prince slaying the dragon, the sword of truth flying into the black maw of Maleficent's heart. 'Gender-swapping' either of these formulas doesn't implicitly change or undermine their typical ideological function. The cosmetic prejudices against, like, men falling for "unconventionally beautiful" women are symptomatic of the broader political context, where society is absolutely organized around the relative privilege of straight men through the coercion and dominance of women and queer folks. Hell, it's not even a consistently observable prejudice: We already have movies about handsome, desirable male leads falling for "homely" and fat women. Even loving A Star is Born is attempting to do this story with loving Lady GaGa. And as that Namor series beautifully illustrates, the point, when laid bare in its purest form in the context of a comic book power fantasy, is not of any essential progress, but of this affirmation of reactionary values: We get to both identify with the female protege getting sick over Namor seducing a sea monster lady, and we get to praise Namor as this master of sexual conquest. The funny thing is that probably the closest we've come to a gender-swapped beauty and beast movie is Maleficent, and even there the filmmakers inevitably reached the realization that "the true monster is man," you can't just whitewash away the opportunism and exploitation that underscores the beauty/beast paradigm.
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