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Oct 8, 2018 00:32
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Negrostrike posted:We just can't really have nice things, can we Guns are nice. We can have those. All the guns. Borono hitting 47% taught us two lessons we should've learned with Trump/Hillary: the first one is that there's nothing closer to a fascist than a scared liberal. PSDB's votes just disappeared and reappeared as Bolzi's. Second lesson is that a LOT of people are embarrassed to say they vote Bonoro, but they'll vote for him regardless because PT is Evil and Bad. So I guess we're hosed. Hopefully more in a Trump way than a Duterte or full-blown military coup way.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:38
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Are we seriously gonna have a democratically elected military dictatorship in Latin America, after the many horrors of history?
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Pochoclo posted:Are we seriously gonna have a democratically elected military dictatorship in Latin America, after the many horrors of history? 
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Oct 8, 2018 00:39
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Pochoclo posted:Are we seriously gonna have a democratically elected military dictatorship in Latin America, after the many horrors of history?
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Oct 8, 2018 00:44
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At this point I'd rather he won in the first round. There's no way he can lose anymore, barring a miracle.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:47
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Pochoclo posted:Are we seriously gonna have a democratically elected military dictatorship in Latin America, after the many horrors of history? I don't make predictions anymore, Brazil is really good at frustrating them, but I'm not expecting a military dictatorship. It's gonna be Duterte 2.0 and just pretty bad overall.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:48
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Pochoclo posted:Are we seriously gonna have a democratically elected military dictatorship in Latin America, after the many horrors of history? Yes. The horrors happened mostly to poors/leftists, so they're not really horrors at all but glorious feats to be celebrated, according to the elite's wisdom. Sure, they prefer a more civilized control, but if the choice is a drooling dictatorship and slight social democracy, they'll go for the swastika 10 times out of 10.
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Oct 8, 2018 01:11
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It sure is great to see good old fashioned conservatives getting a seat at the table. Conservatives like *checks notes* Alexandre Frota, from Sao Paulo.
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Oct 8, 2018 01:15
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Bolsonaro's kid is also the most voted congressman in history lmao. The Paulistas need to be genocided.
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Oct 8, 2018 01:17
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Plutonis posted:Bolsonaro's kid is also the most voted congressman in history lmao. The Paulistas need to be genocided. We elected Major Olímpio and Mara Gabrilli for the Senate, and left Eduardo Suplicy out (again). This entire state such be glassed.
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Oct 8, 2018 01:31
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Oct 8, 2018 01:37
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Hey, look what's trending on Steam. https://store.steampowered.com/app/930460/BOLSOMITO_2K18/
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Oct 8, 2018 01:42
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joepinetree posted:In what world would there be foreign intervention against large corporations and in favor of the environment? I assume they mean something like the Buffet-backed Virunga foundation. Not like a government putting boots on the ground. Private equity could back a local NGO to pay park rangers a very good wage to defend the rainforest from illegal logging, in theory. But in practice? Anyway, wasn't there some projections that the damage to the Amazon was already done, and that the rainfall patterns were already changing enough that the whole basin would suffer desertification? LOL seriously gently caress são paulo tho they'd voted in bolsonaro in the first go and they loving voted in Doria for governor jfc
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Oct 8, 2018 01:58
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Greenwald's husband didn't get elected, though PSOL did really well in Rio.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:05
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stuck between voting for the biggest fascist dipshit ever and a puppet with no will that goes to prison for advice like a loving drug dealer 
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frajaq posted:stuck between voting for the biggest fascist dipshit ever and a puppet with no will that goes to prison for advice like a loving drug dealer If you think Lula being in jail is the big problem in this whole situation, I don't even know what to tell you.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:10
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joepinetree posted:Greenwald's husband didn't get elected, though PSOL did really well in Rio. Renato Roseno got elected on my state which is nice
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Sephyr posted:If you think Lula being in jail is the big problem in this whole situation, I don't even know what to tell you. As a reminder, Lula is the only person currently in jail in Brazil who is prohibited from speaking to the press in all of Brazil.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:26
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PSOL almost doubled their federal congressmen contingency, so we got something at least. Also he's not wrong. PT fuckin' sucks. However, they're WAY better than the alternative.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:29
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In case anyone thought American liberalism was capable of confronting fascism to even the most infinitesimal degree
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Oct 8, 2018 02:32
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The desperate attempts to equate Bolsonaro with anyone slightly left of center are mind boggling.
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joepinetree posted:The desperate attempts to equate Bolsonaro with anyone slightly left of center are mind boggling. poo poo takes by a poo poo liberal.
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Oct 8, 2018 02:43
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"for about a decade" which decade?
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Oct 8, 2018 02:48
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Comparing Bolsonaro to loving AMLO of all people is some bullshit
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The Unnamed One posted:Comparing Bolsonaro to loving AMLO of all people is some bullshit
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Oct 8, 2018 02:57
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Given that published US liberals think Saudi Arabia's Mohammed Bin Salman is a bold progressive reformer*, we shouldn't expect much. *:He just had a Washington Post journalist murdered, in fact, but don't expect that to change their narrative.
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Oct 8, 2018 03:05
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At least 50 years ago centrist liberals had a coherent explanation for supporting right-wing dictatorships, even if it was incorrect and immoral (ACTUALLY they're Authoritarian, not Totalitarian). This time they're just saying that anyone who disagrees with them for any reason is the same. First tragedy then farce I guess
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icantfindaname posted:At least 50 years ago centrist liberals had a coherent explanation for supporting right-wing dictatorships, even if it was incorrect and immoral (ACTUALLY they're Authoritarian, not Totalitarian). This time they're just saying that anyone who disagrees with them for any reason is the same. First tragedy then farce I guess It was -always- farce. Joao Goulart and Salvador Allende were barely social-democrats, not any kind of bolshevik firebrands. Heck, Goulart was a wealthy landowner himself whose main concern was humping theater dancers in Rio, not fomenting any kind of revolution.
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I'm going to ask some questions now: 1. What books in English would you recommend for learning and analyzing Brazil's politics since 1985? 2. Would the policies of Bolsonaro strengthen Brazil's geopolitics or gently caress it's economy further, stunting it's super-power potential? 3. How much real power would he hold as President-Dictator? 4. I hear he apparently is still healing/near-crippled from his assassination attempt last month. Would he even last long considering this? 5. At the end of the day, who is to blame for this mess? The New Republic's system in general? The people? The Oligarchs? Bolsonaro existing? 6. How effective would hypothetical sanctions be against him in the next decade?
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Grouchio posted:I'm going to ask some questions now: I can only answer some of those. 2- His policies are a big cypher. He says o e thing, his vice-president says something else, his Finances minister a third thing. He's promising to privatize all public companies, which would be disastrous in a number of ways. Also spoke against paid vacations maternity leave, and pretty much every worker right there is, then backtracked weakly when it seemed people balked. So we'll see. 3-He'd be pretty drat powerful. the Center, meaning the swarm of mercenary, ideology-free congresspeople who are one of Brazil's big problems, already fell in line behind him. That, and other institutions like the Supreme Court, electoral court and even the press just give him a pass already, and he's not even in power yet. 4- He's recovering well enough and was never crippled. He kostly played up the recovery to avoid attending debates (he was skipping on them even before the attack) to reduce his chances of loving things up or bungling a response. 5- Disaster has many parents. I'd say the main culprit was the cowardly refusal to charge and punish the top echelon of the military after the dictatorship. They basically got to skate after all their crimes and raise two new generations of soldiers who think they were unfairly judged, and with a massive chip on their shoulders against the weak, corrupt civilians. The conservative judiciary and the media basically tearing down every institution to make sure the other heavy hitter (Lula) was charged and sentenced at light speed in order to keep him from running is also a huge factor; they thought they would be favoring the PSDB, the local neoliberal party, but they imploded when their golden boy was caught on camera negotiating a bribe and threatening to kill gthe courier if he squealed, and their electorate fled en masse toward a harder, meaner right. 6- Zero, and no sanctions will ever be passed. He openly loves Trump, and the West loves right-leaning autocrats. When The Eonomist did an anti-Bolsonaro cover, his supporters just said the magazine was communist and kept going as usual. If anything, outside pressure will only make them think they are the targets of a vast international socialist plot and double down.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3eyRSClnhU EDIT - Holy poo poo, I didn't even know that the election results were today. I looked them up and now I'm terrified for Brazil. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 08:05
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Can we get a separate Brazil Thread up and running?
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Oct 8, 2018 09:04
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Grouchio posted:Can we get a separate Brazil Thread up and running? There is one already. Looks dead though: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3860864
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Grouchio posted:Can we get a separate Brazil Thread up and running? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3866293
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Crossposting this from CSPAM because typing it all out made me feel like I was insane and I want y'all to enjoy it too:Badger of Basra posted:looking over the chamber of deputies results for some fun facts about the brazilian party system:
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