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nen beasts are supposed to disappear with their owner's deaths, but nen curses becoming stronger after the death of the user are well established. of course, if the ritual is supposed to absorb the nen beasts of the dead princes this might put a spanner in the works until fugetsu is inevitably killed. melody can't hold back the world by herself, sadly. they might be absorbed, they might not. there's really been no indication either way.
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Wow  ... at least he has picked up the pace of the story
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:nen beasts are supposed to disappear with their owner's deaths, but nen curses becoming stronger after the death of the user are well established. of course, if the ritual is supposed to absorb the nen beasts of the dead princes this might put a spanner in the works until fugetsu is inevitably killed. melody can't hold back the world by herself, sadly. I mean, Predator ate Sale-Sale's beast, which seems like it'd make absorbing it again difficult. Not proof either way, I suppose, but, yeah.
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You know, Kacho's Nen beast here could shake things up in so many ways, depending on how it acts. We know that it's imitating Kacho to spare Fugetsu's feelings, and that it is going to protect her until she dies, and as a Guardian Spirit Beast from the pot, it can't directly attack any of the other princes or their beasts, but in turn can't be attacked by the other beasts either. Beyond that, though, there are a lot of ways this could go. If it only has to perfectly imitate Kacho around Fugetsu but doesn't need to keep the act up around other people, then it might be able to tell Melody (and, through her, the other Hunters) a lot of useful stuff. Presumably it knows at least some of the other rules of the ritual it's part of, so if it collaborates with the Hunters then that could be a major, major boon to them. It's already breaking the "rule" of not being able to be seen by the princes and is interacting with one directly, so who knows whatever else it may do that's not "normal" for the Nen beasts. On the other hand, though, if it isn't perfectly like Kacho and takes the motivation to protect Fugetsu to the extreme, it might work against the other younger Princes, sabotaging them or possibly even attacking some of their employees, because the only way out of this for Fugetsu may well be for her to win the succession war. So, just as much as it could be a potential ally, it might also turn out to be a dangerous enemy. Along these lines, we actually don't know what the fake Kacho knows itself. Is it still aware that it's a Nen beast and a copy of the dead Kacho, or is it ignorant of one or both of those things? Does it have its own thoughts, feelings, and personality, or is it just acting according to its "programming" from the jar and Kacho's own influence before she died? There's also the question of what exactly it can do in general; some people have been speculating that it's a perfect copy of Kacho and thus is equivalent to an "unpowered" teenager, but I'm doubting that, personally. Besides being a companion to the living sister, it's meant to protect her, and as we saw, Kacho's desire to get her sister out of this alive was so strong that she was willing to die for her; a Nen beast born of that desire should be capable of actually doing that, and as... Unusual as it is, even by Nen beast standards, it is another beast from the pot, so it probably has comparable power. What that means... Well, we'll have to see, I suppose. This is a whole lot of words that don't really go anywhere beyond wondering about the different possibilities here, admittedly, but regardless of the specifics I think this chapter is a major turning point for the arc. Between the possibilities with Kacho's Nen beast, the aftermath of the banquet and Melody's performance, and the stuff hinted at in the teaser for the next chapter, to say nothing of stuff from previous chapters like Halkenberg's awakening, it seems like it's been kicked into high gear. No slowing down now. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 14:37
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I only have one question - is it emission, or conjuration?
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Pewdiepie posted:I only have one question - is it emission, or conjuration? It (she?) would have to be conjuration to be visible to non-Nen users.
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Oct 8, 2018 18:00
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Nen beasts in general seem like specialist abilities.
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Personally I anticipate the next prince conflict to be one of the major players, being forced into action by something. It seems pretty togashi to go against the expectation of all the obvious winners slowly building up power, while the weaker princes are picked off one after another. I would expect one of the top 4 princes to die. I forgot the names but benjamin, hawkonen, monk prince and drug clown could well be ones of the next to take some serious damage or die. I really enjoy the arc tbh, and gon and killua not being in it seems a good thing for now. If the series ever reaches the dark continent before the heat death of the universe, they would fit in again as it would be straight-up hunter adventure business. But for this, having actual competent and elite hunters field the action is really something.
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Finally caught up just in time to cry
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Son of Rodney posted:Personally I anticipate the next prince conflict to be one of the major players, being forced into action by something. It seems pretty togashi to go against the expectation of all the obvious winners slowly building up power, while the weaker princes are picked off one after another. I would expect one of the top 4 princes to die. I forgot the names but benjamin, hawkonen, monk prince and drug clown could well be ones of the next to take some serious damage or die. This makes me want to dig through this thread and find all the predictions on who'd die and in what order and stuff, to see if anyone was remotely close to how things have gone. Pretty sure Sale-Sale was a popular pick for early death, but I expect people would have thought Fugetsu was more likely to die earlier than Kacho.
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I honestly thought they weren't even gonna touch the younger princes until later on in order to offer some actually devastating gut punches, but Togashi managed to knee me right in the feelings' groin with the deaths so far.
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So the official Viz translation of the latest chapter came out today, and... I actually liked it a lot less than the MS one? MS is pretty bad, don't get me wrong, but the Viz translation was really stiff and unnatural. Most of it was so terse it felt like they were trying to cut out every possible word they could, and the dialog was generally lacking in personality, sometimes seemed disconnected from what came before or after, and often felt overly-literal, except for Fugetsu and Kacho calling each other "Katty" and "Getty", which would not be be my first choice as far as localizing their nicknames go. It was just really bad.
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Roland Jones posted:So the official Viz translation of the latest chapter came out today, and... I actually liked it a lot less than the MS one? MS is pretty bad, don't get me wrong, but the Viz translation was really stiff and unnatural. Most of it was so terse it felt like they were trying to cut out every possible word they could, and the dialog was generally lacking in personality, sometimes seemed disconnected from what came before or after, and often felt overly-literal, except for Fugetsu and Kacho calling each other "Katty" and "Getty", which would not be be my first choice as far as localizing their nicknames go. It was just really bad.  weirdly enough I agree with you, it's not even a very dialogue heavy chapter either to have this much wobbly syntax
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drjuggalo posted:
That's not even the worst one. Lower in that same page, we get this complete nonsense:  (This is a flashback, by the way; it was not well-conveyed in any translation I've seen, but I saw a post somewhere explaining that, if you used the numbers given and looked at the original Japanese script, within the guy's words to Melody from Mizaistrom to make sure that Fugetsu and Kacho don't escape was a hidden message telling her to do everything she could to help them escape. Given that this wasn't explained at the time, I can understand it not being clear in the original chapter, but everyone has butchered these two panels this chapter in ways that don't explain what's actually being said at all.) Why are they cutting so many words out? Everyone on this page sounds like bad robot actors or something.  This whole chapter just sounds so awkward.   Punctuation is important when trying to convey emotion.  This isn't all of it either; the last page's translation is pretty stiff and awkward-sounding too, which, given that it's supposed to have a lot of emotional impact, is not ideal. If you showed me both (or, well, gave me both scripts at least) and didn't tell me which was which, I'd think the Viz translation was the fanmade one. Last week's didn't seem this bad, but I only just started picking up the official translations again. Is it usually like this, or is this one abnormal in how bad it is? Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Probably a rush job or having to subcontract someone because the usual translator couldn't do the issue.
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Roland Jones posted:Is it usually like this, or is this one abnormal in how bad it is? Viz is better ~90% of the time, so this is pretty abnormal. That being said, in the cases WHERE Viz is worse, it's usually in this way - they value concision a lot and usually it makes sense but sometimes it leads to really robotic dialogue.
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Dias posted:Probably a rush job or having to subcontract someone because the usual translator couldn't do the issue. Yeah, I have to believe this. They're usually much better than this and the new editor's previous stuff was always better than that. It's real weird.
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Whatever the cause, it's a shame that it's this chapter in particular that had these issues; it's such a big and impactful chapter, and the shoddy translation detracts from things. Hopefully it's cleaned up when they compile it into a volume.
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Roland Jones posted:That's not even the worst one. Lower in that same page, we get this complete nonsense: The numbers 1 3 4 4 are used in a coded message that Melody received; and correspond to a sentence within each of the following word bubbles the military officer said. So the first sentence in the first bubble, the third sentence in the second bubble, and the last sentence of the last two bubbles.  Put together you get the phrase "カチョゥ フウゲツ両王子の逃走を全カでサポートレろ" which translates to "Support for the getaway of both Princess Kacho and Fuugetsu with all power" which is what Melody then goes on to tell Keeney leading into this current chapter. This is why even though the initial presentation made it look like Melody had delivered the "real" orders, and Keeney was going to work against the plan, Melody was still hopeful as indicated by the solo piece she practiced for the queen and that glasses guy. This also shows that Mizaistrom is sympathetic to the princes as well. The meaning is nonexistant in the current translation because the shift from military time, and the lack of any corresponding phrases in chapter 381 means this message doesn't work in english. They could change it before doing a volume release though so hopefully Viz is professional enough to go back for a second pass on these chapters.
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Huh, so that's what that was about. I had no idea what the point of those two panels were in either translation.
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Yeah, I didn't either until I saw a post about it elsewhere; I went looking for an explanation because it seemed to be a complete non sequitur at first. It's really neat, though, both as a thing in and of itself and in showing thay Mizaistrom's still a good guy and didn't want to doom some girls just because that's what the law demanded there (I admit I was kind of upset at him after the original chapter where he sent Fugetsu back, before the secret message was revealed), and I hope the translators (official and fan) go back and clean things up now that what was going on there has been explained.
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Oct 9, 2018 18:27
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it's super been implied Killua's sister's other self has something to do with the Dark Continent, so I can see them becoming involved for that reason
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grieving for Gandalf posted:it's super been implied Killua's sister's other self has something to do with the Dark Continent, so I can see them becoming involved for that reason in the volume release it's just straight out said
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Tunicate posted:in the volume release it's just straight out said is it? I just remember the wrung-out dudes they found on the mainland
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grieving for Gandalf posted:is it? I just remember the wrung-out dudes they found on the mainland  Zigg Zoldyck brought back more than just some stories when he went to the Dark Continent apparently.
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Gonna need the turing machine on the next chapter of this.
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Brought To You By posted:
Yup, Netero/Linnet/Zzig’s group was the one that encountered Ai. Plus, the line Something/Nanika says before he grants wishes was translated as “‘kay” but is originally “Ai” in Japanese, and the picture of Ai (the creatures) that we see features them saying it as well.
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The HxH wiki points out the full title is "The gaseous life form: Ai, codependence of desire", which rings pretty close to Killua and Nanika.
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leorio will teach ging the secret to beating the dark continent is just being nice to everything and asking it to do stuff for you with smooches after
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The secret to beating the dark continent is to punch Ging in the face.
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384 SPOILERS (very light spoilers, they can be read) So Togashi comes back to the days he skipped, I can breathe now (see my previous comment about him rushing things a bit)
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This is cool https://twitter.com/CheckPointSSS/status/1048206886342774784
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So.. uh... Did Tserreidnich just gib Morena? He did, didn’t he? I was definitely not expecting that. RIP girl jesus Edit: oh I think I read it wrong, nvm Oh wow you weren’t kidding! Hitlersaurus Christ fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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Oct 12, 2018 11:59
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I can only read through page 11 on MS; anyone else getting that error?
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Legit looking forward to seeing what Tse's hosed up beasts do
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Not the best work from MS, it seems it has some mistranslations. From redditquote:On page 9 "second-liners" should probably be "double-liners" or "double-lined", referring to the two scars on the faces of the illegitimate children of the royal family. "Clinging to their servants" should probably be "Bribing the staff". I would say it's possible there are more, as some parts aren't very clear, like, who has lost 300 men? Heil-ly? Nor it's very clear who died (horribly) in 1004 room. People say it was one of the guys 'baptized' by Morrena who went directly to try to kill Tsierredenich,and it's a nice theory, but I don't see any evidence. On the other hand, it was a good hand how the mafia family has manipulated the Spiders to eliminate one of their rivals.
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Theta is hosed.
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https://readms.net/r/hunter_x_hunter/384/5404/1
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Oct 12, 2018 19:41
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Stairmaster posted:LINK Here you go https://readms.net/r/hunter_x_hunter/384/5404/1
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Pewdiepie posted:Theta is hosed. shes doing a really loving good job of lying to herself but sooner or later our evil nen master lord who even got two hotdogs will catch on Ive see people say that Tse killed off a spy for morena but idk ill wait for the viz version
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