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Volkerball posted:There's rumors going around now that Jamal is alive and in Saudi custody, but nobody knows. Meanwhile, Friedman somehow had the audacity to open his stupid loving mouth right now and what do you know, stupidity poured out. You can tell Saudi Arabia really hosed up if even Friedman is turning on MBS. Killing and dismembering the friends and colleagues of your former media lapdogs might not have been the best pr move. Props on the NYT commentators who are uniformly calling Friedman an idiot and an rear end in a top hat for ever dancing to the Saudi Monarchy's tune.
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Volkerball posted:There's rumors going around now that Jamal is alive and in Saudi custody, but nobody knows. Meanwhile, Friedman somehow had the audacity to open his stupid loving mouth right now and what do you know, stupidity poured out. jesus. he really is just a moron. like this is the kinda times where he could really push a "look how the savage saudies treat americans" or some poo poo but instead, its this poo poo.
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well thats more of an answer then Trump's non-committal horse poo poo and this was just as non-committal.
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Darth Walrus posted:Can I get context on Friedman? I’m more familiar with Milton than Thomas. he married an heiress and wrote a couple of books about how thank god neoliberal capitalism was fixing all the problems in the world. he is noteworthy for being an extremely bad writer with a love of totally incoherent metaphors. where he REALLY took off, though, was in the discussion of the Iraq War, where he inadvertently coined the Friedman Unit by saying "the next six months will be critical" a couple dozen times over the course of three years, each time to say no, really, any second now we're gonna turn this thing around. a Friedman Unit is the length of time a pundit thinks is safe to make predictions for, confident in the knowledge nobody will remember what that prediction was by the time in question. he is particularly despicable in this case because he also wrote a hilariously lovely puff piece on Mohammed Bin Salman, Guy Who Is Putting A Kinder, More Modern Face On Saudi Arabia, Definitely Not The Kind Of Guy Who'd Murder A Journalist Questioning Him Whose Name And Address I Have Conveniently Provided, a couple of months back
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Volkerball posted:There's rumors going around now that Jamal is alive and in Saudi custody, but nobody knows. Meanwhile, Friedman somehow had the audacity to open his stupid loving mouth right now and what do you know, stupidity poured out. Jesus, thanks Friedman. If he wasn't hosed before he sure is now. And lol Trump. "I hope it works itself out"
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I think a big part of Friedman's gullibility with regard to MBS is just the whole "disruption" paradigm that gets thrown around in Silicon Valley. Since Friedman's a buzzword capitalist, someone who promised to shake up the sclerotic family politics of the House of Saud seemed like a good thing to him. As is often the case though, this ambitious young prince seems to be a pretty bad hombre, and even if he's alleviating some problems (we'll have to see over the next several years if KSA actually does appear to be reducing its export of terrorism), he's more clearly been at the heart of creating new ones.
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the first rule when you're in a hole is to stop digging. when you're in three, bring a lot of shovels
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Sinteres posted:I think a big part of Friedman's gullibility with regard to MBS is just the whole "disruption" paradigm that gets thrown around in Silicon Valley. Since Friedman's a buzzword capitalist, someone who promised to shake up the sclerotic family politics of the House of Saud seemed like a good thing to him. As is often the case though, this ambitious young prince seems to be a pretty bad hombre, and even if he's alleviating some problems (we'll have to see over the next several years if KSA actually does appear to be reducing its export of terrorism), he's more clearly been at the heart of creating new ones. overthinking it. friedman's job is to be a fluffer for capital. you show him some foreign capital, he does what he's paid to do.
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do you know what my favorite renewable fuel is? an ecosystem for innovation
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:overthinking it. friedman's job is to be a fluffer for capital. you show him some foreign capital, he does what he's paid to do. the historical debate is over. the answer is free market capitalism
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what is al qaeda? it's an open source religious political movement that works off the global supply chain
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:he married an heiress and wrote a couple of books about how thank god neoliberal capitalism was fixing all the problems in the world. he is noteworthy for being an extremely bad writer with a love of totally incoherent metaphors. where he REALLY took off, though, was in the discussion of the Iraq War, where he inadvertently coined the Friedman Unit by saying "the next six months will be critical" a couple dozen times over the course of three years, each time to say no, really, any second now we're gonna turn this thing around. You also can't forget to add his ridiculous penchant for being in taxis around the globe with amateur philosophers who are always around when he needs to write a book or column.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:jesus. he really is just a moron. like this is the kinda times where he could really push a "look how the savage saudies treat americans" or some poo poo but instead, its this poo poo. The reason Trump is so hosed up about this is because Khashoggi--a loyal royalist--was only ever in exile becuase he said less than glowing things about trump, one time. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...t-a7456956.html quote:When it comes to the Middle East, Donald Trump’s stances are contradictory, especially regarding Iran. Saudi Arabia, while certainly concerned about the Islamic State’s presence in Syria and Iraq, is much more perturbed by the actions of Shiite Iran. Trump is vocally anti-Iranian, but he also supports Bashar al-Assad in the Syrian conflict, which ultimately bolsters Iranian regional control. Thus, Saudi Arabia is rightfully nervous about a Trump presidency. thats it. thats how all this poo poo started. for ^^^^ that crime, he had to flee and has been done like he's been done. mohamed bin salman could gently caress up a one-man parade, i swear to god
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Lest we forget, the Thomas Friedman article generator is still up and running: http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php Create your own Friedman thoughts with the click of a button! quote:
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I was reading the entire NYT daily during the height of the Iraq war and you better believe that Friedman falling into cultural irrelevance was one of the great mercies of the last decade. You can ask 10 people how Friedman is an idiot and get 10 different answers and they're all correct.
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The hits keep coming. https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1049508866805981185
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Sinteres posted:The hits keep coming.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So glad the media spent the early part of this year sucking MBS’ cock so now he can get away with this poo poo FWIW, Trump's support for him matters a whole lot more than puff pieces in US media. I agree that it would be better if journalists were less starry eyed about the new dictator on the block though.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So glad the media spent the early part of this year sucking MBS’ cock so now he can get away with this poo poo It's been a pretty big story. I don't think KSA was trying to be discreet about all this and hide behind the positive media coverage. In fact, I'd bet this happened to Khashoggi in particular because of his prominence, specifically so people would see it happen.
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Volkerball posted:It's been a pretty big story. I don't think KSA was trying to be discreet about all this and hide behind the positive media coverage. In fact, I'd bet this happened to Khashoggi in particular because of his prominence, specifically so people would see it happen. Yeah killing prominent critics overseas is a lovely thing that happens regularly. Killing him the way they did was 1000% intended to send an extremely clear message and is insanely brazen. It's honestly up there with the Nemtsov killing.
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Weren’t they arresting officials for ‘corruption’ and torturing them as people like Friedman were writing the glowing MBS puff pieces
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Sinteres posted:The hits keep coming. Let's go strictly realpolitick for a second here. We should not be backing Saudi Arabia over Iran, because one is currently run by the deeply retarded.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So glad the media spent the early part of this year sucking MBS� cock so now he can get away with this poo poo One thing you can't get away with is firing smart people telling you not to do dumb things. I mean you won't be punished by society or people, but your dumbassed decisions are going to poop in your face.
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Interesting because this is Turkish state media https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1049775081319227392 https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1049776786899431424
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Dictators killing expat critics seems to be increasingly common, but I wonder at what point someone decides to say gently caress it and kill a critic with no tie to their country. Maybe the response to this incident will grow, and the behavior won't just be accepted and normalized, but if everyone just memory holes this in a week, I can't help feeling like letting this poo poo go is going to lead to even more blatant behavior down the line.
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Sinteres posted:Dictators killing expat critics seems to be increasingly common, but I wonder at what point someone decides to say gently caress it and kill a critic with no tie to their country. Maybe the response to this incident will grow, and the behavior won't just be accepted and normalized, but if everyone just memory holes this in a week, I can't help feeling like letting this poo poo go is going to lead to even more blatant behavior down the line.
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Volkerball posted:Interesting because this is Turkish state media um excuse me why do you need an entire loving squad to capture and kill someone who willingly walks into your embassy nice try sabah
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Grape posted:Let's go strictly realpolitick for a second here.
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enraged_camel posted:um excuse me They're the clean up crew, not the killers.
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Sinteres posted:They're the clean up crew, not the killers. so i assume the clean up crew is loving dead now too. I doubt MBS cares about them and now that they have been named(if its them) they are at the bottom of a river now.
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Sinteres posted:They're the clean up crew, not the killers. you dont need 15 people to clean up a bunch of blood and body parts
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enraged_camel posted:you dont need 15 people to clean up a bunch of blood and body parts Getting it out of the consulate is presumably the tricky part.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so i assume the clean up crew is loving dead now too. I doubt MBS cares about them and now that they have been named(if its them) they are at the bottom of a river now. There's only so many families you can piss off, especially ones you recruit your killers from.
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Holy poo poo. https://twitter.com/Ibishblog/status/1049827851414003712
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Yeah Arab dissident twitter has been in panic mode.
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Sinteres posted:Getting it out of the consulate is presumably the tricky part. Again, why bother? There have to be secure safes or containers inside the consulate that are used to store confidential items. Just dump everything in a few of them, lock them, then transport them out later in small batches. My point is, there is another story here that we don't know the details of yet.
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enraged_camel posted:Again, why bother? There have to be secure safes or containers inside the consulate that are used to store confidential items. Just dump everything in a few of them, lock them, then transport them out later in small batches. Your problem is you're thinking like a person doing a job of work for money in order to do a Thing. You need to think like an aristocrat who's seen season 5 of Breaking Bad on illegal channels three times, and whose wife is considered better than furniture but lesser than prized livestock.
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