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Tokelau All Star
Feb 23, 2008

THE TAXES! THE FINGER THING MEANS THE TAXES!

LOL Hawaii's median house price is like $700k

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nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer
maternity leave lmao

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.
Lol minimum “months”. Lol “public daycare.”

What is this? Some fairy land where people care about parents and kids post-womb?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Nice piece of fish posted:

Congrats! How long is the paid maternity leave for the dad in the US?

Norway's caught a lot of flack for a discriminatory policy where the parents got to choose instead of splitting the year equally, which naturally lead to dads only taking the minimum months.

I hear it gets better after the first year when public daycare starts the enrollment. I'm not there yet and I'm kind of dreading having a kid, but this is a good place for it so...
We all know you're mocking our total lack of parental leave, don't pretend otherwise

Losing my job and getting on unemployment a month before my kid was born was a better leave policy than literally anyone else gets

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
We were told we were going to get paternity leave, and a year later when I asked about, was told nobody had any idea what the hell I was talking about, get back to work!

Thanks, Obama!

Nonexistence
Jan 6, 2014

Alexeythegreat posted:

maternity leave lmao

Russian lawyer spotted. My girlfriend was visiting Moscow and tried to explain American anti-discrimination laws to Russians and they reacted like she was from Mars.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Nice piece of fish posted:

Congrats! How long is the paid maternity leave for the dad in the US?

Hahahahahahaha

nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer

Nonexistence posted:

Russian lawyer spotted. My girlfriend was visiting Moscow and tried to explain American anti-discrimination laws to Russians and they reacted like she was from Mars.

Even simply being officially employed under an actual contract is a privilege around these places

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

nm posted:

Hahahahahahaha

I feel like he knows the answer and was just rubbing our faces in it

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Soothing Vapors posted:

I feel like he knows the answer and was just rubbing our faces in it
Goddamn Nordics.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp
Felt that was kinda obvious, yes.

You all deserve getting all that though. It's hosed up that you don't.

Anyway, since I'm a smug, navelgazing rear end in a top hat stereotype norwegian I've been watching youtube reactions from mormon missionairies on mission in Norway and laughing my rear end off. The incredulity, the attempted accents, the amazement at maternity leave and such (which is why I brought it up). This place is as loving quaint and weird as it is totally irrelevant.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
FWIW, as a gubberment attorney, I do get paternity leave, but that would mean I'd have to be foolish enough to bring a child into this world. I like sleep, money, free time, and travel.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
My brother in CA got paternity leave that he could use before or after the birth and which he used to go snowboarding. He also had a food stamp card that he used for booze. He and his wife are gainfully employed at solidly middle class jobs, I’m sure their household income is over $100k.

He’s also a Trump voter who constantly rants about gun control and taxes and street repairs (MY TAX DOLLARS) and the horrible oppressive California government. I keep suggesting he move to the conservative utopia that is Louisiana where I have none of those problems but strangely he declines.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
There's nothing like having a smiling angelic child come up to you, and say "Daddy, look at this picture I drew for you!" And then he shows you the picture, drawn with purloined sharpie, on the living room wall. Well, it's the buyer's problem now.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

sullat posted:

There's nothing like having a smiling angelic child come up to you, and say "Daddy, look at this picture I drew for you!" And then he shows you the picture, drawn with purloined sharpie, on the living room wall. Well, it's the buyer's problem now.

Please don't plaigirize the ending of the naughty bunny book

Alaemon
Jan 4, 2009

Proctors are guardians of the sanctity and integrity of legal education, therefore they are responsible for the nourishment of the soul.
The nice thing about being a lawyer is that if I'm ever in danger of forgetting that I'm human filth, I always have my bar card and student loans to remind me.

(I'm never in danger of forgetting it, but it's nice to have the safety net.)

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Ok I finished hull zero three. Blarzgh what do I read next? Didn't like 3 body problem. Loves hull zero three.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

My firm allegedly provides 4 months of paid primary parental leave and 1 month of paid secondary parental leave. I wonder how often associates actually attempt the to collect on that, though.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Ok I finished hull zero three. Blarzgh what do I read next? Didn't like 3 body problem. Loves hull zero three.

The Broken Earth Trilogy

Edit "The Fifth Season" is the first book.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Vox Nihili posted:

My firm allegedly provides 4 months of paid primary parental leave and 1 month of paid secondary parental leave. I wonder how often associates actually attempt the to collect on that, though.

At my firm associates consistently take their full ave, both maternity and paternity.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

blarzgh posted:

The Broken Earth Trilogy

Edit "The Fifth Season" is the first book.

I quit half way through book 2. Is it actually worth it? The stuff with the kid dying in book one really affected me

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

I quit half way through book 2. Is it actually worth it? The stuff with the kid dying in book one really affected me

Eh, if it didn’t work for you half way through book 2, you probably aren’t going to like the rest.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, it doesn't get any "lighter."

Read Children of Time unless you don't like Spiders.

gently caress you all, I know its barely half a notch above YA bullshit, but Red Rising is awesome.

I can send you the audio book for the Gameshouse trilogy, which is more like cloak and dagger poo poo, and really good.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Ok I finished hull zero three. Blarzgh what do I read next? Didn't like 3 body problem. Loves hull zero three.

If you were into Blindsight and Hull Zero Three, your next book is...

Russo, Ship of Fools.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Kalman posted:

If you were into Blindsight and Hull Zero Three, your next book is...

Russo, Ship of Fools.
Yes, read this.

Also probably fantasy, but traitor Baru cormorant is good, goon-written, and has a sequel coming out shortly.

Ani
Jun 15, 2001
illum non populi fasces, non purpura regum / flexit et infidos agitans discordia fratres

evilweasel posted:

At my firm associates consistently take their full ave, both maternity and paternity.
At every firm I've worked for, associates consistently took their full primary caregiver leave, but I never saw anyone take more than two weeks for secondary caregiver. Honestly, I don't think it'd be a big deal if someone took the 4 weeks of secondary caregiver leave and even combined it with their vacation, but it would be really unusual.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Hey my wife just had a kid, gonna have to step out to support her for awhile and also I'll be up in Yosemite for 20 days, peace.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

blarzgh posted:

Yeah, it doesn't get any "lighter."

Read Children of Time unless you don't like Spiders.

gently caress you all, I know its barely half a notch above YA bullshit, but Red Rising is awesome.

I can send you the audio book for the Gameshouse trilogy, which is more like cloak and dagger poo poo, and really good.

Finished children of time a week or two ago.

Have also read the imperial radch series. I'll check into ship of fools.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.
An anaesthetist was sentenced for deliberately infecting 55 people with Hep C, and is now challenging his conviction (negligently causing injury) on the grounds that treatments have come a long way since he was sentenced in 2011, so this reduces the severity and impact of his offending.

What's the most creative defence or grounds for appeal you've ever heard?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Adar posted:

San Juan is more or less recovered from Maria, but not from the additional resulting poverty and crime rate. 90% of the city is some version of hosed with foreclosures and abandoned properties left and right:

https://www.touroldsanjuan.com/safety-map/

The other 10% is all on the waterfront and happens to be where the mainland expats who don't speak Spanish more or less have to live. It's also the area with the good high rise condos with security and backup generators as well as the only English-speaking schools in town. It's still technically a buyer's market, but rent for a $500-700k condo starts at $5K a month and up. Meanwhile, the 0% cap gains/4% income tax incentives are getting wide press and the number of people that got grants is up 50% this year. A massive gentrification bubble is about to hit in 3...2...1...

Other PR facts: there is no MBE or reciprocity. You get admitted to the local bar only by taking it. All the exam questions are in Spanish although you can write all the essays in English. The fed courts have their own completely separate English bar exam that has to be taken at different times. There is also a separate "notary bar" that allows local PR-bar admitted lawyers, and only such lawyers, to be notaries. Among other things, a notary is required to put a fancy stamp on every RE transaction. This stamp costs 1% of the value of the property for the first $500K + 0.5% of anything over $500K. This fee is set by law and cannot be negotiated any lower. Nearly everyone in the legislature is a lawyer and totally uninterested in changing any of this.

Try visiting the east coast.

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.

Whitlam posted:

An anaesthetist was sentenced for deliberately infecting 55 people with Hep C, and is now challenging his conviction (negligently causing injury) on the grounds that treatments have come a long way since he was sentenced in 2011, so this reduces the severity and impact of his offending.

What's the most creative defence or grounds for appeal you've ever heard?

“He just needed killing.”

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Vox Nihili posted:

Hey my wife just had a kid, gonna have to step out to support her for awhile and also I'll be up in Yosemite for 20 days, peace.

Congrats to the father!

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Discendo Vox posted:

Try visiting the east coast.

Yeah I know :( The rest of the island is in more trouble than a snarky internet post can cover.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

the imperial radch series.

Ooh, these look good. Adding to my list.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

blarzgh posted:

Ooh, these look good. Adding to my list.

They are very good.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Whitlam posted:

What's the most creative defence or grounds for appeal you've ever heard?

Bestiality porn can't be obscene because it's so disgusting it can't appeal to a prurient interest.

Look Sir Droids posted:

�He just needed killing.�

Somebody's not in Oklahoma (or parts of Texas)

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Whitlam posted:

An anaesthetist was sentenced for deliberately infecting 55 people with Hep C, and is now challenging his conviction (negligently causing injury) on the grounds that treatments have come a long way since he was sentenced in 2011, so this reduces the severity and impact of his offending.

What's the most creative defence or grounds for appeal you've ever heard?

Ok, so not exactly the same, but its a follow-up to this:

blarzgh posted:

Ok, has anyone ever in all their years of civil practice seen a paid, private process server straight up lie about service on their return?

I swear to god I'm looking at the return, and it says, "date, time, location" and its literally 100% false - not even, "he got one detail wrong" false, and of course the guy says he's never been served in his life, but he wasn't even in town that day and can prove it, and the location he says he served him at was closed at the alleged time of service, and we can prove it.

I eventually pieced together what happened, and tried something out at the hearing on the Motion for New Trial. The reason we knew the named defendant wasn't at the location was because they were having a bible study there that day, and it was being run by named defendant's son-in-law. Now, I even had the pastor there to testify if we needed him to, but it occurred to me that Son-in-Law had the same first name as Defendant, and a similar sounding last name as Defendant (Think Paul Allen and Paul Ahn).

I make my brief opening argument, and call my first witness: the process server.

Out in the hallway, I had told the defendant to sit in the middle of all the people from the bible study two rows deep in the pews, and to have Son-in-Law sit in the row behind me, by himself. I pulled SiL aside and pretended to talk to him for a bit because I could see who I figured was the process server sitting down at the end of the hall.

Back inside, I start off asking the server his name, the name of the defendant, and when and where he was served. I asked if he recalled the bible study, and if he recalled interrupting it. I then asked if he could point out the defendant that he served at the bible study. He pointed at Son-in-Law.

"Let the record reflect that the witness has indicated Paul Ahn, the Son-in-Law of the defendant Paul Allen. Mr. Allen, would you please stand up in the back there."

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Aug 6, 2013


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blarzgh posted:

Ok, so not exactly the same, but its a follow-up to this:


I eventually pieced together what happened, and tried something out at the hearing on the Motion for New Trial. The reason we knew the named defendant wasn't at the location was because they were having a bible study there that day, and it was being run by named defendant's son-in-law. Now, I even had the pastor there to testify if we needed him to, but it occurred to me that Son-in-Law had the same first name as Defendant, and a similar sounding last name as Defendant (Think Paul Allen and Paul Ahn).

I make my brief opening argument, and call my first witness: the process server.

Out in the hallway, I had told the defendant to sit in the middle of all the people from the bible study two rows deep in the pews, and to have Son-in-Law sit in the row behind me, by himself. I pulled SiL aside and pretended to talk to him for a bit because I could see who I figured was the process server sitting down at the end of the hall.

Back inside, I start off asking the server his name, the name of the defendant, and when and where he was served. I asked if he recalled the bible study, and if he recalled interrupting it. I then asked if he could point out the defendant that he served at the bible study. He pointed at Son-in-Law.

"Let the record reflect that the witness has indicated Paul Ahn, the Son-in-Law of the defendant Paul Allen. Mr. Allen, would you please stand up in the back there."

I love this kind of thing. What happened?

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Pook Good Mook posted:

I love this kind of thing. What happened?

We got our motion for new trial, and strong-armed the Plaintiff into dismissing. His claim was bullshit; bought the goods "as-is", they broke, our client paid off the supplier out of good will basically so the Plaintiff had no debt (thus no damages), and once we pointed out that he would have to foot half the bill for an Arbitrator, he decided it wasn't worth it if he couldn't get a free default via sewer service on an unsuspecting Defendant at the wrong office.

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Aug 6, 2013


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blarzgh posted:

We got our motion for new trial, and strong-armed the Plaintiff into dismissing. His claim was bullshit; bought the goods "as-is", they broke, our client paid off the supplier out of good will basically so the Plaintiff had no debt (thus no damages), and once we pointed out that he would have to foot half the bill for an Arbitrator, he decided it wasn't worth it if he couldn't get a free default via sewer service on an unsuspecting Defendant at the wrong office.

The Judge say anything?

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