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Entropic posted:I'm struggling to think of another show that has had plotlines so completely separate as this. the wire
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clown shoes posted:Is anyone else getting � in place of apostrophes? Or is it just me? Ya it's happening site wide, I blame apple and smart punctuation.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:37
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Is it on any other site?
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Oct 10, 2018 13:51
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Alan Smithee posted:Is it on any other site? Don't think so. I meant it's happening for a lot of people on sa.
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Oct 10, 2018 14:04
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Yeah it happens on my iphone but not on my PC so it's almost for sure an apple thing E: a radium thing Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 14:44
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It's also happening on my android, so idk. One thing that I've been thinking about is how I love that the Werner situation retroactively justifies Walt's insistence on having Gale killed in Breaking Bad. Gus obviously has a 0 tolerance policy for loving around, and Walt read and played the situation perfectly.
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Oct 10, 2018 14:55
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah it happens on my iphone but not on my PC so it's almost for sure an apple thing Nope
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Oct 10, 2018 15:08
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a new study bible! posted:It's also happening on my android, so idk. 1. Gus was going to let Mike spare Werner until he became known to a Salamanca, at which point he went from a problem employee to a loose end. 2. I maintain that Walt could have gone to Gale and said "Hey you know that murdered 11 year old boy on the news? That was our guys" and then gotten Gale on his and Jesse's side.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:26
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:1. Gus was going to let Mike spare Werner until he became known to a Salamanca, at which point he went from a problem employee to a loose end. I disagree on 1. Everything that we have seen on Gus shows us that he doesn't gently caress around. Unless I'm missing something there's nothing in his backstory that suggests he would give Werner a pass. Werner already received his warning after he got drunk at the bar. He risked exposing the entire operation even before he spoke to Lalo. Mike offering to do the job was an act of mercy.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:34
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Gus was totally spooked by Lalo and had Mike not mentioned the phone call I 100% believe Gus would have just had him bring Werner back.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:45
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I just saw an article that said Esposito had a broken ankle while filming and all the scenes where Gus walks or runs was a body double.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:55
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a new study bible! posted:I disagree on 1. Everything that we have seen on Gus shows us that he doesn't gently caress around. Unless I'm missing something there's nothing in his backstory that suggests he would give Werner a pass. Werner already received his warning after he got drunk at the bar. He risked exposing the entire operation even before he spoke to Lalo. As said above giving out info about a project to Lalo - even inadvertently - meant that from that point forwards he was someone who could be compromised in some fashion to give out the full information. He was dead as soon as he acknowledged that he had ongoing business with Gus on the phone, I don't think the particulars were even important from that point onwards.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:12
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I want a spin-off of people with foreign accents calling Mike and just saying “Michael.”
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Oct 10, 2018 16:20
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I don't know why they bothered to write Nacho and his plot into the show only to seemingly ignore/sideline him entirely.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:22
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I thought the entire episode was fantastic Also the people who are rolling their eyes at Lalo going through the ceiling apparently forgot that they're watching Breaking Bad. The show has always used these goofy cartoonish superhero moments to get the characters out of a bind. Remember "this is not meth," or the robot machine gun?
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Oct 10, 2018 16:24
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Can someone remind me- in breaking bad is Gus currently working with the Salamanca cartel when we meet him? I know they make a power play shooting up his guys with a sniper rifle at one point before he goes and poisons them all. But is it clear what kind of terms their on in the intervening time?
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Oct 10, 2018 16:26
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It's honestly not all that unrealistic. I had to go into the ceiling once to help someone unlock their office. Yeah, it's goofy how silent it was, but the dude is behind glass.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:27
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massive spider posted:Can someone remind me- in breaking bad is Gus currently working with the Salamanca cartel when we meet him? I know they make a power play shooting up his guys with a sniper rifle at one point before he goes and poisons them all. But is it clear what kind of terms their on in the intervening time? The theme throughout BB and BCS is Gus has to work within the confines of not pissing off the Cartel. Which is pretty much impossible because they are a bunch of crazy people who lash out when they feel like it. Hiring Walter pissed them off because he was responsible for Tuco’s death.
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massive spider posted:Can someone remind me- in breaking bad is Gus currently working with the Salamanca cartel when we meet him? I know they make a power play shooting up his guys with a sniper rifle at one point before he goes and poisons them all. But is it clear what kind of terms their on in the intervening time? Yes he's working with them. At the start of BB it's apparent that Gus has finally convinced them to start dealing in meth rather than cocaine. But he is still in the process of finishing the superlab setup which is what ultimately allows him to break with them.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:34
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I know it doesn't matter, because it's all speculation, but I really don't think Werner speaking to Lalo mattered much end the end. He was as good as dead as soon as he entered town. In a related note, I wonder if the Fred thing will come up at all next season. Is the understanding that Lalo destroyed the surveillance tape? Both he and Mike were around the office a lot. Fred was taped breaking protocol for Mike. Even if the tape was destroyed, there are the payphone calls and the witnesses. Maybe Mike will need legal representation, although it seems unlikely they go down this hole at all.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:39
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Baronjutter posted:I don't know why they bothered to write Nacho and his plot into the show only to seemingly ignore/sideline him entirely. Next season needs a major course correction as to how they handle the cartel half of the show. If they're not going to give Gus a dramatic arc, they shouldn't have any scenes of him that aren't directly related to Mike or Nacho. They have a really fascinating set up here with Lalo vs. Mike with Nacho as the spy that wants out, and if they keep the focus tight on that, it'll be awesome. If we spend time on poo poo like "how does the superlab get finished" or "why is Hector living with Tuco at the start of Breaking Bad" or "oh look it's the Cousins here to kick some rear end" then it's going to continue to be "a really great show, BUT" and dammit these people are better than that. The only Breaking Bad backstory thing I can think of that I'm interested in learning about that isn't Saul related is the antagonistic relationship between Mike and Lydia. Is there anything I'm forgetting? SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 17:22
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I am not a smoker and holy poo poo he blows the smoke perfectly behind him. The smoke would've blown forwards but Lalo was walking past him with his cloaking device activated
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Cojawfee posted:I just saw an article that said Esposito had a broken ankle while filming and all the scenes where Gus walks or runs was a body double. This was also in the podcast, and I thought it was funny when people itc were talking about how lalo going through the roof was cgi and crazy and insane, when really it was the scene with lalo looking at a chicken farm that was almost 100% cgi (the chicken farm hasn't existed for years, the trucks and poo poo are all cgi, it was just him with some binoculars and a bunch of green screens put up to block stuff out since it was actually filmed near Wener's hot spa to save on time). 
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a new study bible! posted:
nah, I'm sure after Lalo was done reviewing the tape, he put all the security footage containing images of him and Mike neatly back into place when he was doneand set dead Fred up in the chair like he was working
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:
That's obviously not true. Walt was a fantastic liar. Of course Skyler eventually cottoned on to what he was doing, because she's his wife and she interacts with him every day. The fact that he was able to fool her on any level for so long is a testament to his skills at deception. And then just look at his performance when he's convincing Jesse that he didn't poison Brock. It's masterful. If you think Walt is supposed to be a terrible liar, I'm not sure what show you were watching. The problem with Bob Odenkirk's performance is that it sounds vaguely artificial whenever he's doing a serious dramatic scene. He sounds fake even when he's not supposed to be fake. How does that have anything to do with him portraying a good liar, rather than Bob just not being that amazing of a dramatic actor compared with someone like, say, Rhea Seehorn? e: Bob is one of the greatest comedic performers alive, as far as I'm concerned. But I never thought he was an Emmy-worthy dramatic actor and I think this perception that he is says more about the quality of the show he's a part of than it does about him. Like, his go-to whenever he has to sound sad or serious is to put a slight creak into his voice while lowering his volume and call it a day. His performance has nowhere near the level of range or depth that can be found in a Jonathan Banks monologue or even a single subtle facial expression from Rhea Seehorn. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 17:34
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Cnut the Great posted:That's obviously not true. Walt was a fantastic liar. Of course Skyler eventually cottoned on to what he was doing, because she's his wife and she interacts with him every day. The fact that he was able to fool her on any level for so long is a testament to his skills at deception. Rewatch Seasons 1-3 and tell me that Bob Odenkirk doesn't sound sincere when his character is. Bob Odenkirk didn't become a worse actor. Something in his character broke. Oh also funny you should mention Walt telling Jesse he didn't poison Brock because Bryan Cranston didn't know Walt was lying when they filmed that scene and he played it as such.
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I've done TI work for some payday loan places in "bad neighbourhoods" and a small armoured car depot/office and the protective walls go up past the t-bar and connect with the actual structural ceiling of the space. But maybe a realllly cheap crappy one might not and want to save a few bucks by not extending the wall up another couple feet??
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Now Im watching BB season 3 when Gus shows Walt the lab 
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Rewatch Seasons 1-3 and tell me that Bob Odenkirk doesn't sound sincere when his character is. Bob Odenkirk didn't become a worse actor. Something in his character broke. I have rewatched them. I really like this show. It's something I noticed even back then. Almost every other actor on this show is amazing. Bob Odenkirk is just good, and that mostly works because the performances of everyone around him elevate his decent one. quote:Oh also funny you should mention Walt telling Jesse he didn't poison Brock because Bryan Cranston didn't know Walt was lying when they filmed that scene and he played it as such. I don't see how this negates my point, though. All that shows is that Bryan Cranston has the capability to sound sincere in a scene like that when he wants to, while, in my opinion, Bob Odenkirk doesn't. I mean, I was literally watching his monologue about Chuck in this finale thinking, "Okay, so are we supposed to think this is sincere, or are we supposed to realize that it's fake? Because it sounds fake." And that's a thought that I've constantly had throughout the entire show, even in the first couple seasons, and it's always been a coin toss whether I was right or wrong. This isn't something I've run into with any of the other actors on this show.
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Cnut the Great posted:That's obviously not true. Walt was a fantastic liar. Of course Skyler eventually cottoned on to what he was doing, because she's his wife and she interacts with him every day. The fact that he was able to fool her on any level for so long is a testament to his skills at deception. Walt isn't a fantastic liar. He's okay, but sometimes terrible. Watch the scene where he tries to explain the "gas pump accident" in season five or when he tries to convince Jesse that he's broken up about Drew Sharp's death, but then immediately starts whistling afterwards. He does pull it off occasionally, but he over exaggerates and adds too many details, can't hold his composure and gets tripped up. Also, glad you discovered "the problem" with Odenkirk's dramatic performance  Dude is fantastic in this show, he doesn't sound insincere at all in his most dramatic scenes (ones with Marco, Chuck, etc) That's horseshit.
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Last Chance posted:Walt isn't a fantastic liar. He's okay, but sometimes terrible. Watch the scene where he tries to explain the "gas pump accident" in season five or when he tries to convince Jesse that he's broken up about Drew Sharp's death, but then immediately starts whistling afterwards. Yes, Cranston intentionally plays it that way so that the audience can comprehend how much of a weaselly liar he is even as the scene is playing out. But the characters in the show almost always buy it. Walt Jr. 100% buys the gas pump explanation Walt gives. He just thinks Walt is failing to mention that it was because he had another fugue state. Walt immediately and expertly integrates this into his explanation and convinces Walt Jr. that he's right and that he was ashamedly hiding the true reason for the gas spill. This is a portrayal of a skilled liar. You're just bad at watching TV if you think otherwise. Either Walt is a great liar or everyone else on the show is clinically retarded. Walt's avowal to Jesse that he's devastated by Drew Sharp's death is also very convincing. But at that point he's so far gone that he forgets that he has to keep up the act after he's done with his main performance, which gives him away. He lets his guard down. quote:Also, glad you discovered "the problem" with Odenkirk's dramatic performance It's true, though. Sorry. Still love the show.
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Oct 10, 2018 17:58
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Lying by omission is still lying and Walt is really, REALLY good at that.
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Did anybody else think that Gus told Mike to stay there because he was going to have both of them killed until Mike offered to kill Werner to get back into Gus' good graces? Or is that just me reading into things too much.
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Enderzero posted:Did anybody else think that Gus told Mike to stay there because he was going to have both of them killed until Mike offered to kill Werner to get back into Gus' good graces? Or is that just me reading into things too much. I think it was more Gus accurately understanding that Mike had become close with Werner and probably didn't want to kill him, and was probably a tiny bit disappointed at mike. Gus doesn't just straight up kill every valuable asset that disappoints him in the slightest, only when he needs to. If anything, he uses failings as leverage to get more out of a person (like poor Nacho)
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Cnut the Great posted:Yes, Cranston intentionally plays it that way so that the audience can comprehend how much of a weaselly liar he is even as the scene is playing out. But the characters in the show almost always buy it. Walt Jr. 100% buys the gas pump explanation Walt gives. He just thinks Walt is failing to mention that it was because he had another fugue state. Walt immediately and expertly integrates this into his explanation and convinces Walt Jr. that he's right and that he was ashamedly hiding the true reason for the gas spill. This is a portrayal of a skilled liar. You're just bad at watching TV if you think otherwise. Either Walt is a great liar or everyone else on the show is clinically retarded. One bit that comes to mind of Walt being a really bad liar is in S2 I think when Walt tells Skylar the second phone was just an alarm he set on his normal one or something, she doesn't buy it for one second.
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Jimmy sounding insincere all the time is part of his character, which plays to Odenkirk’s strength. He may not be a versatile actor but that doesn’t make his performance somehow flawed. Every scene he’s in he serves the scene and the character impeccably, which is the mark of a good actor. FWIW I didn’t think his speech in the last scene sounded insincere, it was a total departure from how he usually sounds which is why it was so effective 
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I shared Jimmy's sadness and rage over the scholarship thing. It's such a hosed up game where kids need to be groomed from a young age to be the perfect candidates for these sort of things, not just scholarships but everything in life. You can be the worst spoiled little brat piece of poo poo borderline sociopath but if you pad your resume with the right clubs and hobbies and never get caught to the point of getting any sort of record you'll do fine. Meanwhile you can be a genuinely great person but because you actually got caught doing some stupid kid stuff and your parents weren't rich or white enough to make sure it's not included on any sort of records, you're hosed. Calvinism is still alive and well, specially in the US and its legal system. Your parents were poor and the rich kids relentlessly bullied you for not having what ever trendy shoes they had, so 13 year old you tried to steal some and got caught. Now you're labeled the bad kid, teachers and everyone around you just assume you're destined for a life of crime and failure. You can't get the scholarship while those bullies who know how to play the game and keep their records clean and their hobby list curated do. You can't afford college so get stuck in horrible depressing dead end jobs while they go on to get degrees and become the new gatekeepers for a new generation of society. Years later you're arrested for stealing some medication because your poo poo job doesn't cover it and those same peers who are now lawyers and judges look down on you, they should have seen it coming, you showed your true colours at 13 stealing those shoes. Clearly some people are just destined to be poor criminals and others the pillars of our community. And those repeat offenders just need harsher punishments, because crime is in their blood. But if one of your fellow pillars of the community makes a mistake we should go light on them because it would be so unjust to ruin the life of a good person over one little mistake. It was the same poo poo with poor Huel. Unrelated past offenses were used against him to totally dehumanize him because he had "priors". Like why are we even entertaining the idea he's innocent? He had priors, destroy him, it's proof he was just born with a criminal soul and his destiny is to be a forever criminal.
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I've never heard of a scholarship that does a background check. Wouldn't her records be sealed anyway since it's a minor? Maybe she mentioned it in her essay for some reason.
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The Mike/Gus/Superlab subplot proved to be interesting enough on it's own. My initial reaction was that it didn't really contribute much, but I think it advanced The Mike Show more than any other season. It accomplished: 1. Turning Hector into "ding ding ding!" 2. Putting Nacho in the middle of Gus and the Salamancas 3. Origins of the Superlab 4. Mike coming to terms with killing for Gus 5. Mike and Gus now have a worthy nemesis But it was also the most fan-service-y season for Mike. They're shooting for 6 seasons, right? I feel pretty confident that season 5 will be Jimmy establishing the Saul business and building up to the Breaking Bad era. It will be the season where Jimmy, Mike, Nacho's plots finally intertwine. Season 6 will be post-Breaking Bad. I really can't see any other progression that would work as well as this. Mike returns to the lab after killing Werner, only to see that Gale, somebody Mike has never met before, is allowed to poke around. I'm pretty sure Mike's final glare at Gus was to say "really? I just killed a good man over this and this stranger gets to see everything?" My take on Jimmy's performance at the hearing was that it was still at least somewhat sincere, and his own way of finally mourning Chuck. Though he will never admit that to himself or anyone. E: Ok so I'm a little confused as to why Jimmy was on the scholarship panel in the first place. SweetMercifulCrap! fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:
I gotta disagree here. Mike's glare was telling Gus 'I didn't like it, but it's done. Werner is dead.' I'm certain that either Mike is fully aware of Gale, or he immediately knows what he's there for. If Gus is specifically bringing someone down there, based on everything else he's done and said, I think Mike's smart enough to realize 'for whatever reason, this guy is trusted and clear.'
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