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# ? Oct 11, 2018 09:41

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Skex posted:

When people vote and are engaged they influence their leaders. Do you really think that the New Deal came about because the rich decided that they had too much money and to spread things around out of the goodness of their hearts?

I really don't think that you truly have a good grasp of the history that got us to this point. I highly recommend that you read Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States at a loving minimum.

You think that you are a leftist? You think that you are a one of the good guys, you aren't. You are either part of the solution or a part of the problem.

When your house is on fire you don't waste time arguing about how to remodel and you don't cuss out people coming with buckets of water because they aren't carrying them in your preferred manner.

The whole loving planet is on fire, but rather than actually do anything all you do is complain that the people who are trying to fix things are doing it wrong.

The Democrats may not be our ideal weapon of choice, but they are the only weapon we have. So unless you have another option you are just whining.

Regardless of who is responsible for the rise of Fascism if we don't stop it here, now, this loving election we may never get another chance to stop them. Not in any of our life times and the amount of human misery and suffering that will follow will make what has come before seem like heaven.

Not getting involved in this fight isn't a sign of wisdom or moral superiority, it is a sign of cowardice and sloth.

loving pathetic wannabe leftists.

dems aren't stopping fascism. they're goose-stepping right along with it

that's why they abandoned dreamers, and that's why they refused to make a proper stand on kavanaugh

# ? Oct 11, 2018 09:49

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Skex posted:

When people vote and are engaged they influence their leaders. Do you really think that the New Deal came about because the rich decided that they had too much money and to spread things around out of the goodness of their hearts?

I really don't think that you truly have a good grasp of the history that got us to this point. I highly recommend that you read Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States at a loving minimum.

You think that you are a leftist? You think that you are a one of the good guys, you aren't. You are either part of the solution or a part of the problem.

When your house is on fire you don't waste time arguing about how to remodel and you don't cuss out people coming with buckets of water because they aren't carrying them in your preferred manner.

The whole loving planet is on fire, but rather than actually do anything all you do is complain that the people who are trying to fix things are doing it wrong.

The Democrats may not be our ideal weapon of choice, but they are the only weapon we have. So unless you have another option you are just whining.

Regardless of who is responsible for the rise of Fascism if we don't stop it here, now, this loving election we may never get another chance to stop them. Not in any of our life times and the amount of human misery and suffering that will follow will make what has come before seem like heaven.

Not getting involved in this fight isn't a sign of wisdom or moral superiority, it is a sign of cowardice and sloth.

loving pathetic wannabe leftists.

Imagine being so much of a deluded idiot that you write this in support of the controlled opposition.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 10:34

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1050176110409986048

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1050196696439898112

loving worthless.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 10:42

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

As for the Dems in general, it's loving baffling how the fanboys have deluded themselves to the point where they're literally incapable of understanding how bad it looks when the Dems first start yelling about how Kavanaugh is a rapist monster and how it's absolutely necessary to stop him and then when the deed is done immediately turn around and start talking about how they absolutely won't even try to remove him if they get back into power. And when it's leadership like this that the Skexes of the world are propping up they've got absolutely zero right to even try to demand that anybody else vote in a certain way.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 11:15

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Cerebral Bore posted:

As for the Dems in general, it's loving baffling how the fanboys have deluded themselves to the point where they're literally incapable of understanding how bad it looks when the Dems first start yelling about how Kavanaugh is a rapist monster and how it's absolutely necessary to stop him and then when the deed is done immediately turn around and start talking about how they absolutely won't even try to remove him if they get back into power. And when it's leadership like this that the Skexes of the world are propping up they've got absolutely zero right to even try to demand that anybody else vote in a certain way.

It's exactly the same as Trump. During the election it was imperative we vote against him to save America. Then after he got elected it was business as usual with Democrats constantly voting in favor of his bullshit and Pelosi saying we can't just impeach him for being a jerk ignoring all the various things that are absolutely worthy of being removed for.

In a decade will the Democrats give Trump a medal for helping immigrants?

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Oct 11, 2018

# ? Oct 11, 2018 11:27

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Also I'm noticing the Trump thread has started up another "vote Blue no matter how poo poo the candidate, it's your fault when Republicans do bad things" debate. Did the Democrats start tanking in the polls other than that idiot in Tennessee?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 11:55

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Radish posted:

Also I'm noticing the Trump thread has started up another "vote Blue no matter how poo poo the candidate, it's your fault when Republicans do bad things" debate. Did the Democrats start tanking in the polls other than that idiot in Tennessee?

tbf it's not like they're capable of anything except doubling down on poo poo that doesn't loving work.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 11:59

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Radish posted:

Also I'm noticing the Trump thread has started up another "vote Blue no matter how poo poo the candidate, it's your fault when Republicans do bad things" debate. Did the Democrats start tanking in the polls other than that idiot in Tennessee?

No polls or anything, I think it was a "how did we get this fascism" starter that snowballed from there.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 12:04

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Radish posted:

Also I'm noticing the Trump thread has started up another "vote Blue no matter how poo poo the candidate, it's your fault when Republicans do bad things" debate. Did the Democrats start tanking in the polls other than that idiot in Tennessee?

Granted, Tennessee alone is probably going to make it possible for the Democrats to regain the Senate (which means the House is going to be a talking shop).

# ? Oct 11, 2018 12:41

Ornedan: Nov 4, 2009; Cybernetic Crumb

XyrlocShammypants posted:

Jealous isnt running for office here. No ad buys, no visibility. Its worse than 2016 when at least his opponent tried. There are people I know through casual meetings at the park who think Hogan is running unopposed.

Sounds like the state party denying Jealous it's support is having an effect.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:37

Skex: Feb 22, 2012; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity? What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

You are so ready to poo poo on the people who are at least trying to hold back Fascism, so what is your brilliant solution to the problem.

It's easy to complain and act all holier that thou, what are you doing to effectively counter the current authoritarian tendencies of the GOP and their supporters.

Assume that you are right and the Democrats are useless, what's your answer. Not pipe dream "the world should be" bullshit, but actual actionable steps to gain power and affect the changes that you think are needed?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:41

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Skex posted:

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity? What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

You are so ready to poo poo on the people who are at least trying to hold back Fascism, so what is your brilliant solution to the problem.

It's easy to complain and act all holier that thou, what are you doing to effectively counter the current authoritarian tendencies of the GOP and their supporters.

Assume that you are right and the Democrats are useless, what's your answer. Not pipe dream "the world should be" bullshit, but actual actionable steps to gain power and affect the changes that you think are needed?

Michael Savage was right about Liberalism being a mental disorder.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:46

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Skex posted:

When people vote and are engaged they influence their leaders. Do you really think that the New Deal came about because the rich decided that they had too much money and to spread things around out of the goodness of their hearts?

I really don't think that you truly have a good grasp of the history that got us to this point. I highly recommend that you read Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States at a loving minimum.

You think that you are a leftist? You think that you are a one of the good guys, you aren't. You are either part of the solution or a part of the problem.

When your house is on fire you don't waste time arguing about how to remodel and you don't cuss out people coming with buckets of water because they aren't carrying them in your preferred manner.

The whole loving planet is on fire, but rather than actually do anything all you do is complain that the people who are trying to fix things are doing it wrong.

The Democrats may not be our ideal weapon of choice, but they are the only weapon we have. So unless you have another option you are just whining.

Regardless of who is responsible for the rise of Fascism if we don't stop it here, now, this loving election we may never get another chance to stop them. Not in any of our life times and the amount of human misery and suffering that will follow will make what has come before seem like heaven.

Not getting involved in this fight isn't a sign of wisdom or moral superiority, it is a sign of cowardice and sloth.

loving pathetic wannabe leftists.

This is a very bad post and you should feel bad.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:48

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Skex posted:

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity? What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

You are so ready to poo poo on the people who are at least trying to hold back Fascism, so what is your brilliant solution to the problem.

It's easy to complain and act all holier that thou, what are you doing to effectively counter the current authoritarian tendencies of the GOP and their supporters.

Assume that you are right and the Democrats are useless, what's your answer. Not pipe dream "the world should be" bullshit, but actual actionable steps to gain power and affect the changes that you think are needed?

For startes how about you don't whitewash Malcom X and erase his socialist politics to justify vote blue no matter who.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:50

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

Ornedan posted:

Sounds like the state party denying Jealous it's support is having an effect.

I'm sure Hogan is the lesser evil and there's nothing the Democrats can do about that

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:53

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Skex posted:

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity? What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

You are so ready to poo poo on the people who are at least trying to hold back Fascism, so what is your brilliant solution to the problem.

It's easy to complain and act all holier that thou, what are you doing to effectively counter the current authoritarian tendencies of the GOP and their supporters.

Assume that you are right and the Democrats are useless, what's your answer. Not pipe dream "the world should be" bullshit, but actual actionable steps to gain power and affect the changes that you think are needed?

No, that's you when you come here and defend a bunch of Quislings.

Also it's pretty funny that you demand the answers to every problem plaguing the country from a buncha randos on the internet while also going completely rabid the moment somebody demands answers from Dems in Congress.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:56

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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Skex posted:

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity?

socialism or communism. quite literally

capitalism is going to kill us through global warming

quote:

What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

the dems will reach across the aisle to help the republicans implement their fascist agenda. like they've been doing since 2016.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 13:57

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Condiv posted:

socialism or communism. quite literally

capitalism is going to kill us through global warming

the dems will reach across the aisle to help the republicans implement their fascist agenda. like they've been doing since 2016.

My Senator, who was run as the Democrats' VP, is trying to work with the Republicans to give Trump more unchecked power to use the military. How the hell is that being a check on fascism?

Two decades of triangulating third way idiocy led us to this end so why is continuing that plan going to do anything?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 14:38

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

Chuck Schumer wrote a bill to make BDS illegal because he wants to protect his fascist friends.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 14:42

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Skex posted:

When people vote and are engaged they influence their leaders. Do you really think that the New Deal came about because the rich decided that they had too much money and to spread things around out of the goodness of their hearts?

I really don't think that you truly have a good grasp of the history that got us to this point. I highly recommend that you read Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States at a loving minimum.

You think that you are a leftist? You think that you are a one of the good guys, you aren't. You are either part of the solution or a part of the problem.

When your house is on fire you don't waste time arguing about how to remodel and you don't cuss out people coming with buckets of water because they aren't carrying them in your preferred manner.

The whole loving planet is on fire, but rather than actually do anything all you do is complain that the people who are trying to fix things are doing it wrong.

The Democrats may not be our ideal weapon of choice, but they are the only weapon we have. So unless you have another option you are just whining.

Regardless of who is responsible for the rise of Fascism if we don't stop it here, now, this loving election we may never get another chance to stop them. Not in any of our life times and the amount of human misery and suffering that will follow will make what has come before seem like heaven.

Not getting involved in this fight isn't a sign of wisdom or moral superiority, it is a sign of cowardice and sloth.

loving pathetic wannabe leftists.

nice meltdown

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:03

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Skex posted:

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity? What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

You are so ready to poo poo on the people who are at least trying to hold back Fascism, so what is your brilliant solution to the problem.

It's easy to complain and act all holier that thou, what are you doing to effectively counter the current authoritarian tendencies of the GOP and their supporters.

Assume that you are right and the Democrats are useless, what's your answer. Not pipe dream "the world should be" bullshit, but actual actionable steps to gain power and affect the changes that you think are needed?

this is a p hilarious post from a literal quisling

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:08

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Skex posted:

Ok so riddle me this geniuses, what is your solution to the problems facing humanity? What do you think is going to happen if sufficient numbers of people sit out the election and the Republicans hold on to power?

You are so ready to poo poo on the people who are at least trying to hold back Fascism, so what is your brilliant solution to the problem.

It's easy to complain and act all holier that thou, what are you doing to effectively counter the current authoritarian tendencies of the GOP and their supporters.

Assume that you are right and the Democrats are useless, what's your answer. Not pipe dream "the world should be" bullshit, but actual actionable steps to gain power and affect the changes that you think are needed?

the irony is that there is a path that doesn't involve any of that icky "maybe offending someone by taking direct action" poo poo and sticking to electoralism

skex. in your own words. how did the Tea Party go from "the lunatic fringe" to the Moderate Republicans you were begging to save you from Brett Kavanaugh, because there was no way Joe Manchin was going to stick his neck out?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:19

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Remember there are popular policies the Democrats could run on that have cross party support like drug legalization and actual for real medical care. However they won't because that hurts donors and private interests which calls into question just how much they care about fighting fascism if they are willing to risk losing elections for that ideological purity.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:22

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

theCalamity posted:

Chuck Schumer wrote a bill to make BDS illegal because he wants to protect his fascist friends.

No, Likud is the good kind of fascist because they fund Democrats

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:28

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

VitalSigns posted:

No, Likud is the good kind of fascist because they fund Democrats

Liberals: Dems are the best way to oppose fascism!

Dems:
https://twitter.com/todayshow/status/1050359182191419392?s=21

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:40

Verus: Jun 3, 2011; AUT INVENIAM VIAM AUT FACIAM

theCalamity posted:

Liberals: Dems are the best way to oppose fascism!

Dems:
https://twitter.com/todayshow/status/1050359182191419392?s=21

lol it's great that the political class can all stay friends despite the looming specters of fascism and irreversible damage to the earth's climate

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:47

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Also that dude literally stumping to get a sexual predator on the SCOTUS to gently caress over civil rights. It's not like he stopped being trash.

I lost a lot of interest in the RBG brand when they started pushing all those stories about how she was best buds with Scalia. I respect her on the court and glad she's there, but there's something wrong with you when you see the stuff Scalia stood for and accomplished with his power that directly led to suffering and just write that off as his job that doesn't reflect on his own character. It also doesn't help to help smooth off the rough edges or these monsters by helping them look like lovable normal people.

If the Democrats aren't going to adopt popular platforms to get elected the least they can do is not help the fascists by constantly saying "well actually they are good!" Is Trump going to start hanging out with Democrats in 2024 because now they are all friends again?

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Oct 11, 2018

# ? Oct 11, 2018 15:56

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Radish posted:

Also that dude literally stumping to get a sexual predator on the SCOTUS to gently caress over civil rights. It's not like he stopped being trash.

I lost a lot of interest in the RBG brand when they started pushing all those stories about how she was best buds with Scalia. I respect her on the court and glad she's there, but there's something wrong with you when you see the stuff Scalia stood for and accomplished with his power that directly led to suffering and just write that off as his job that doesn't reflect on his own character. It also doesn't help to help smooth off the rough edges or these monsters by helping them look like lovable normal people.

If the Democrats aren't going to adopt popular platforms to get elected the least they can do is not help the fascists by constantly saying "well actually they are good!" Is Trump going to start hanging out with Democrats in 2024 because now they are all friends again?

lol if you think it'll take til 2024

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:03

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Ghost Leviathan posted:

lol if you think it'll take til 2024

Well they won't when he wins in 2020 if they nominate Biden.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:13

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

don't forget when the notorious rbg told the blm folks to hush that fuss.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:14

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Ytlaya posted:

I will never understand the idea that just voting in and of itself is inherently good. Like, I can at least comprehend the logic behind people saying voting for Democrats is good, but voting for a Republican (or Libertarian or whatever) is quite literally worse than not voting at all. "Civic engagement" is worthless if you're engaging in a way that is harmful!

It's rooted in a belief that the proper functioning of the system is good regardless of the results. Regardless of who you vote for, voting reinforces the legitimacy and stability of the system, and thus they approve of it. Hitler 2.0 won? Oh well, guess you'd better campaign harder next time! Maybe a little bit of peacefully protesting in approved areas? Don't forget to get the proper permits and police permission! Definitely don't work outside the system, that might inconvenience a billionaire who benefits from that system! :decorum:

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:23

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

I really believe that Joe Biden is going to fight fascism after he gives George Bush a medal for his work on helping disabled veterans after personally creating so many.

Also Michelle Obama really doubling down on "they go low we go high" after losing to Trump and fascism is rising all around us is really terrible.

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 11, 2018

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:27

Skex: Feb 22, 2012; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Condiv posted:

socialism or communism. quite literally

capitalism is going to kill us through global warming

the dems will reach across the aisle to help the republicans implement their fascist agenda. like they've been doing since 2016.

So basically the collective answer is nothing.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:52

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Skex posted:

So basically the collective answer is nothing.

That's about as much as your ilk's got, yeah.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:57

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Cerebral Bore posted:

That's about as much as your ilk's got, yeah.

Hey, that's not fair. His side does have a history of doing something. Granted, that history is of enabling and allying with fascists, but it's something!

# ? Oct 11, 2018 17:04

Megaman's Jockstrap: Jul 16, 2000; What a horrible thread to have a post.

You guys don't understand. We've been fatally poisoned and your only choice is to drink more of the poison or drink a different weaker poison. It may not be the choice you like but it's what we have to do.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 17:06

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Skex posted:

So basically the collective answer is nothing.

that you are not capable of imagining a world where you don't constantly beg your masters to put a rapist on the supreme court more ~decorously~ is not, i put it to you, our problem

# ? Oct 11, 2018 17:16

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

that you are not capable of imagining a world where you don't constantly beg your masters to put a rapist on the supreme court more ~decorously~ is not, i put it to you, our problem

It kind of is because that ideology is practiced by people in charge of everything and we'll suffer for it while they retreat to their enclaves.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 17:20

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VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

Cerebral Bore posted:

Also it's pretty funny that you demand the answers to every problem plaguing the country from a buncha randos on the internet while also going completely rabid the moment somebody demands answers from Dems in Congress.

It's interesting how voters are held to the highest standard while politicians can do whatever they want.

If you think billionaires who commit crimes should face justice like anyone else and you are an ordinary voter well you need to get over that and pronto because winning is more important, but if you think billionaires should have immunity and you are a politician then no matter how demonstrably unpopular and devastating to the ticket that position is you do you.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 17:21

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