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TFW the democrats who can't wait to make pronouncements about Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua are suddenly all quiet on Bolsonaro.
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joepinetree posted:TFW the democrats who can't wait to make pronouncements about Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua are suddenly all quiet on Bolsonaro. Isn't Nicaragua a case of a left with government moving more neoliberal as they become more authoritarian?
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Oct 11, 2018 18:09
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punk rebel ecks posted:Isn't Nicaragua a case of a left with government moving more neoliberal as they become more authoritarian? Yeah I thought they were doing IMF "reforms"
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Oct 11, 2018 18:10
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Well she at least publicly is against privaitzation.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:18
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How hosed are lgbt Brazilians, you think?
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Oct 11, 2018 18:25
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Elias_Maluco posted:Is getting ugly already. Stuff like this happening all around: Bahahaha cool cool now I gotta explain to my roommate why I'm crying this is dope. Consider my question answered.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:28
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This one is a bit misleading. She worded things very carefully here. She said that bolsonaro "says very unpleasant things" (read:not wrong, just hard truths) and that for the french press anyone who says unpleasant things is extreme-right. She also said that she does not consider him extreme right.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:46
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GorgonLiker posted:How hosed are lgbt Brazilians, you think? Yeah, as hosed as that newstore implies, but even less interest from the authorities to prosecute or investigate.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:50
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ZearothK posted:Yeah, as hosed as that newstore implies, but even less interest from the authorities to prosecute or investigate. And even less chance of prosecution if the authorities themselves are the ones committing the crimes
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Oct 11, 2018 18:52
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GorgonLiker posted:How hosed are lgbt Brazilians, you think? Homophobic hate is very strong here even on our best days. And these are not our best days edit: to be more precise: in the last few years our right adopted narratives such as "gender ideology was infiltrated in our society by communists to destroy the families" and "pedophilia is mostly gay and its being normalized and promoted by the LGBT movements". Today you can hear regular people on the streets repeating such arguments like obvious, undebatable truths. Bolsonaro himself (and his sons) used those arguments and is openly homophobic Elias_Maluco has issued a correction as of 18:59 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Oct 11, 2018 18:52
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Oh wow  Im feeling bad for brazil right now.
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Oct 11, 2018 18:54
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nerdz posted:This one is a bit misleading. She worded things very carefully here. She said that bolsonaro "says very unpleasant things" (read:not wrong, just hard truths) and that for the french press anyone who says unpleasant things is extreme-right. She also said that she does not consider him extreme right. Ah that makes more sense
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Oct 11, 2018 18:54
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This is coming from the daughter of someone who told a Holocaust survivor that he should have been burned alive by Nazis.
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Oct 11, 2018 19:01
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Brazil really does show why tv is good and the internet is bad if you want to maintain a oligarchy.
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Oct 11, 2018 19:01
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is coming from the daughter of someone who told a Holocaust survivor that he should have been burned alive by Nazis. She's not criticizing him at all. If you could read the article you would see that she also wanted to say the things he does and get away with it in france.
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Oct 11, 2018 19:10
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nerdz posted:She's not criticizing him at all. If you could read the article you would see that she also wanted to say the things he does and get away with it in france. Thats how Ive read it too
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Oct 11, 2018 19:17
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I'm feeling so hosed up because every trans day of remembrance fully half to two thirds of the names that get read are from Latin America and half to two thirds of those are from Brazil. The idea that it can get worse makes me sick to my stomach, especially considering between trump and kavanaugh it feels like the American trans situation is teetering on the edge of a cliff already
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Oct 11, 2018 19:25
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Oct 11, 2018 21:17
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If I had to deal with the Latin American right I'd be exactly like Plutonis. I'm sure there are worse people on the planet somewhere, but it's hard to believe. honestly it makes my count my blessings that AMLO was a left winger because he could just as easily won on Bolsonaros platform. maybe, i guess mexico doesnt have the same story of authoritarianism but still the anger agaisnt the system was definitely there
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Oct 11, 2018 21:22
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nerdz posted:This one is a bit misleading. She worded things very carefully here. She said that bolsonaro "says very unpleasant things" (read:not wrong, just hard truths) and that for the french press anyone who says unpleasant things is extreme-right. She also said that she does not consider him extreme right. still farther to the left than the WSJ insane, full throated support for a fascist. what a loving wretched rag
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Oct 11, 2018 21:30
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well the WSJ editorial section has been garbage forever so its not really surprising
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Oct 11, 2018 21:56
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i know that high finance and fascism go together like peanut butter and jelly, but the big rises and falls in brazilian markets as a reaction to electoral goings on is sickening. first came the markets going up over 2% when it was confirmed lula was going to jail. then it was a similar jump after polls showed bolsonaro with a comfortable lead. now they took a tumble because bolsonaro said that he had no interest in privatizing Petrobras. finance vultures really, really want to feast on brazil on the bright side, somebody i follow on instagram living in brazil shared these anti-bolsonaro memes and they made my day    
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Oct 11, 2018 23:13
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get that OUT of my face posted:i know that high finance and fascism go together like peanut butter and jelly, but the big rises and falls in brazilian markets as a reaction to electoral goings on is sickening. first came the markets going up over 2% when it was confirmed lula was going to jail. then it was a similar jump after polls showed bolsonaro with a comfortable lead. now they took a tumble because bolsonaro said that he had no interest in privatizing Petrobras. finance vultures really, really want to feast on brazil Well, wouldn't you want to buy energy companies built with public money for pennies? That's the whole reason why the market has gone friendly on Bolsonaro.
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Oct 11, 2018 23:17
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i know racial attitudes can be considerably different in brazil compared to north america, but have fascists historically drawn support from non-white communities as well as lots of white support?
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Oct 11, 2018 23:30
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ZearothK posted:Well, wouldn't you want to buy energy companies built with public money for pennies? That's the whole reason why the market has gone friendly on Bolsonaro.
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Oct 11, 2018 23:33
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hoiyes posted:It's probably far more likely that Brazil plunges down every positive social index, social misery and murder rockets up (despite the official government figures going down, obviously) and quickly becomes the Bad PR Country for the right the people most visibly critical of the government will be the first to be scapegoated
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Oct 12, 2018 00:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw-DQHp2ejU
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Dead Beef posted:This is bad. At the very least, he will trigger a huge wave of Brazilian immigration to Portugal, with most of those immigrants being minorities and LGBT, which in turn will likely cause a backlash and turn Portugal towards the far right, which it managed to avoid this far. I feel terrible for mostly thinking about myself but if the fash takes over in Portugal AND the Netherlands, fuuuuuuuuuck. So many people suffering everywhere. And to think "Domino theory" was applied to freaking communism. 
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Oct 12, 2018 10:23
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I'm actually hoping more Americans don't learn who Bolsonaro is because I know in my heart that chuds would love him. 1940s fascism meets 1980s neoliberalism aaaaa
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Oct 12, 2018 10:47
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AceOfFlames posted:At the very least, he will trigger a huge wave of Brazilian immigration to Portugal, with most of those immigrants being minorities and LGBT, which in turn will likely cause a backlash and turn Portugal towards the far right, which it managed to avoid this far. They're already trying to do this with the Venezuelan Portuguese (and so far are failing bc they're way too thankful of our healthcare system and relative stability) and a good part of the coverage of Brazil involves ignoring what actual poor Brazilians are saying. Ronaldo's sex crime is at this point a higher factor for recruiting for the right than either Brasil or Venezuela. We had protests here that were just people pretending to be refugees and hurling a sheet over themselves with a sign demanding free money during the start of the Syrian refugee crisis. Tomi Lahren keeps trying to get fluff pieces here. The Portuguese taste for fascism isn't as big here, so something bigger has to happen. Kunster has issued a correction as of 12:07 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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quote:Romualdo Rosário da Costa, a 63-year-old master of the Brazilian martial art capoeira, was stabbed to death in a bar in the north-eastern city, Salvador, in the early hours of Monday, just after the first round of the election.
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Oct 12, 2018 17:24
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Have a map of incidents of political violence due to our elections. They're trying to stick only to sourced events. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=-11.376367430891005%2C-26.34790098839187&z=4&mid=1hNIxsASpLAxFjsWPMqFZtm-cuigr3jj9
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Oct 12, 2018 17:59
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cargo cult posted:i know racial attitudes can be considerably different in brazil compared to north america, but have fascists historically drawn support from non-white communities as well as lots of white support? What you consider non-white is not necessarily what Brazilians consider non-white
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Oct 12, 2018 18:02
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Also fascism exists/existed in Asia too so it's not like a whites only phenomenon. Or do you mean have fascists ever gotten support from the people they claim are the problem? 'Cuz that's happened too but probably not in wide swathes.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:19
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:What you consider non-white is not necessarily what Brazilians consider non-white What exactly do Brazilians consider non-white?
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Oct 12, 2018 18:40
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punk rebel ecks posted:What exactly do Brazilians consider non-white? You may know this guy called Neymar. Well, he said he was never a victim of racism because he's not black.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:43
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You're not white in Brazil if your family never owned slaves.
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get that OUT of my face posted:i know that high finance and fascism go together like peanut butter and jelly, but the big rises and falls in brazilian markets as a reaction to electoral goings on is sickening. first came the markets going up over 2% when it was confirmed lula was going to jail. then it was a similar jump after polls showed bolsonaro with a comfortable lead. now they took a tumble because bolsonaro said that he had no interest in privatizing Petrobras. finance vultures really, really want to feast on brazil The source of all these is this: https://www.instagram.com/barbiefascista/
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Oct 12, 2018 19:08
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Does Brazil have any irredentist claims to a neighboring country like Uruguay or something that Bolsonaro could decide to annex or is he not that flavor of fascist
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Apraxin posted:wonder what color uniform the official deathsquads will adopt once he’s in power Green and yellow, obviously
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