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Harris has a bill to give Aretha Franklin a Congressional Gold Medal and it hasn't even had a hearing yet. Disgusting imo. Also only has 5 Republican cosponsors (36 D) because there's nothing they like more than living up to stereotypes.
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Badger of Basra posted:Harris Oh hey! Finally a Democrat fighting for something I care abo- quote:To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow for a credit against tax for rent paid on the personal residence of the taxpayer. Oh. Edit: This list is great by the way.
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Oct 12, 2018 05:32
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Yeah of the housing bills I've seen (Booker, Harris, Warren) only Warren's seems to be any good. Bernie doesn't have one for some reason. Unless there's a huge real estate crash, housing will be a massive issue in 2020 (third after healthcare and student debt, I would guess) - especially for Democratic primary voters, since so many of us are in cities that are getting more expensive.
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readingatwork posted:Oh hey! Finally a Democrat fighting for something I care abo- Nothing wrong with this bill. The tax deductions given by the Mortgage Interest Tax Deduction are efficiently unrepealable so letting renters have a refundable tax credit is a pretty drat good thing. I'd personally prorate the tax credit to the first of every month but I'll take a refundable tax credit.
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Tax credits are probably the dumbest possible way to address the housing crises.
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karthun posted:Nothing wrong with this bill. The tax deductions given by the Mortgage Interest Tax Deduction are efficiently unrepealable so letting renters have a refundable tax credit is a pretty drat good thing. I'd personally prorate the tax credit to the first of every month but I'll take a refundable tax credit. It really depends on what you think is causing the current housing crisis - a lack of available units or people simply being unable to afford a plentiful existing supply? With vacancy rates in low single digits in many places, I'd say giving people more money won't really help if there's not enough apartments or houses to go around.
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Oct 12, 2018 06:19
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The Kingfish posted:Tax credits are probably the dumbest possible way to address the housing crises. Better then 4 billion dollars to build apartments that cost 30% of the regional median income. In Minneapolis the median household income is $73k a year. 30% of that is 1825 per month, hardly an affordable apartment for the working poor. At least with a refundable tax credit they will get all or most of their rent back at the end of the year.
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Oct 12, 2018 06:22
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Badger of Basra posted:It really depends on what you think is causing the current housing crisis - a lack of available units or people simply being unable to afford a plentiful existing supply? With vacancy rates in low single digits in many places, I'd say giving people more money won't really help if there's not enough apartments or houses to go around. At least in Minneapolis there is a shortage of 2 bedroom apartments at $1400 and an oversupply of 2 bedroom apartments at $1800.
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democrats have yet to met a problem that could not be solved with tax credits
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Housing issues seem absurdly region specific (and income specific) compared to healthcare or student loans. No matter what you say that applies to one group or one region will have a bunch of people saying "that doesn't apply to me at all" compared to health care or student loans or the opioid epidemic that basically effects very very large groups nationally the same general way. Seems like it'd be a rough thing to run very hard on at a national level.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:democrats have yet to met a problem that could not be solved with tax credits This. The Democratic party seems to have largely abdicated any sense that issues of economic inequality can be palliated (to say nothing of solved) by anything other than tax incentives to those who already have, and occasionally tax credits/rebates for those who do not. One wonders whether it's because the party actually holds that the existing capitalist system must be allowed to do its thing without significant challenge or restraint, or that they're just too scared that the Republicans will accuses them of violating that dogma (which they will do regardless).
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Y’all could read Warren’s bill which has no tax credits in it if you like.
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Oct 12, 2018 13:47
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Her housing bill IIRC uses grants and other incentives with the goal of lowering housing prices by 10%. Yeah its not tax credits but I don't feel it's out of range to lump them in since they come from the same mentality. A coupon isn't going to help much when the price is exponentially beyond your means in the first place.
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Iron Twinkie posted:Her housing bill IIRC uses grants and other incentives with the goal of lowering housing prices by 10%. Yeah its not tax credits but I don't feel it's out of range to lump them in since they come from the same mentality. A coupon isn't going to help much when the price is exponentially beyond your means in the first place. It does a bunch of different things: -$450 billion to build affordable housing -Grants to local governments to remove exclusionary zoning -Down payment assistance for people in formerly redlined areas and people who are still underwater on their mortgage -Increased enforcement of the Community Reinvestment Act -Increased enforcement of the Fair Housing Act -Banning source of income discrimination so people can use Section 8 vouchers wherever they want What would a good housing bill look like to you?
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Badger of Basra posted:What would a good housing bill look like to you? EIMBY baby. Give me that public housing, bump up renter protections, toss in some rent control, zoning reform, mandate a proportion of new housing stock within reasonable access to transit, through the implementation and removal of credits, bring the tax benefits of renting and owning towards parity. You know, as a start.
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Badger of Basra posted:What would a good housing bill look like to you? Something that strikes to the heart of the problem which is housing is a financial product first and foremost and place where people can live maybe second or third. Don't get me wrong I would have thought this bill was great 10 or 12 years ago but I've watched one housing bubble inflate, and crash, and another one reinflate even bigger before. All the while I've been getting bounced around every couple of years and my rents get jacked up and have to scramble to find a new place I can maybe afford to live. Where I'm sitting the idea of buying a house is more impossible than ever before and I don't see how this changes that so I feel I'm in my rights to call it poo poo.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Ugh. I really want to root for Keith but him being any type of abuser would be a no go.
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Badger of Basra posted:It does a bunch of different things: It's a good bill if a bit underpowered and missing aspects like taxing empty properties being used as investments.The bolded part is particularly good since more public housing will do more to alleviate the problem than anything else.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Did I miss something, or has Ellison still not been accused of anything other than “dragging his ex off the bed during an argument” by said ex, who also claims to have a tape of this incident but refuses to show to anyone? Pretty much. Also she said "trying" to drag her off the bed. Also she spends a lot of a lot of time saying he cheated on her.
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Naturally the media is dignifying this poo poo because nuance in any proportion regarding a #MeToo accusation is counter-revolutionary.
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Oct 12, 2018 15:29
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Hey thread folks, are y'all ready for some BLOOMENTUM? https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1050812199084744704
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Oct 12, 2018 19:22
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Oh boy now Democrats too can enjoy their very own Trump Experience (tm) too!
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Lightning Knight posted:Oh boy now Democrats too can enjoy their very own Trump Experience (tm) too!
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Lightning Knight posted:Oh boy now Democrats too can enjoy their very own Trump Experience (tm) too! Basta?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Pretty much the only thing Bloomberg and Trump have in common is money. They’re both unqualified entitled old white men who think that their status and money should guarantee them fame and adoration. The difference is that Trump is a vulgar racist while Bloomberg is a member of the elite in group. Yet Trump was borrowing Bloomberg’s policing policy.
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Lightning Knight posted:They’re both unqualified entitled old white men who think that their status and money should guarantee them fame and adoration. The difference is that Trump is a vulgar racist while Bloomberg is a member of the elite in group. Yet Trump was borrowing Bloomberg’s policing policy.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:24
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Trump's lies are out in the open, he just says whatever he wants. Bloomberg's lies are the old school, Democratic Party type lies, where they are meticulously triangulated via focus groups and polling, scripted in advance, and tested against a murderboard. Voters are less turned off by Category A lies. Well yeah, that’s why Bloomberg is going to crash and burn. Good riddance.
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Actually, that's why he stands a good chance of winning the primary before losing the general, like Clinton.
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DaveWoo posted:Hey thread folks, are y'all ready for some BLOOMENTUM? How do you think Mister Stop and Frisk will do in South Carolina?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Actually, that's why he stands a good chance of winning the primary before losing the general, like Clinton. Bleh. Maybe if he was running in 2016, but 2020 is going to be a 20 way bloodbath free for all and more attractive establishment candidates are going to bury him. There’s no world where Bloomberg beats Booker, for example, let alone Warren or Bernie.
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Those three candidates would be easy for Bloomberg to beat if he plays it right. Harris would be the hardest for him to overcome I think. Don’t underestimate how little the party has changed since ‘16. If there’s anything the data from the last forty years or so has shown, it’s that elected Dems have been remarkably stable ideologically through every victory and defeat.
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I thibk the dems need another 4 years of prep time before they are going to run anyone strong enough. I mean theres no dems talking poo poo on trump that are as news worthy as trumps tweets. I think that after OWS/ bernie sanders efforts being hampered by the dem establishment weve seen a very fractural effect and untrust against establishment dems. People buy trumo stickers more and more. I live in dem stronghold, and i dont see any bumper stickers or mention of any of these people ive seen 1 single warren 2020 stocker in my entire life. Like losing to trump has created a crippling effect on the left entirely. No one person has enough credibility to run right now and make a real stand.
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karthun posted:Better then 4 billion dollars to build apartments that cost 30% of the regional median income. In Minneapolis the median household income is $73k a year. 30% of that is 1825 per month, hardly an affordable apartment for the working poor. At least with a refundable tax credit they will get all or most of their rent back at the end of the year. In the meanwhile they can pay interest on debt they have to use when they fall behind on payments (or can't afford other things due to payments). One of the issues with this approach is that it ignores the fact that there are often heavy costs incurred as a result of people being unable to afford things at the time of purchase, so getting a refund later is an inefficient way of addressing the problem. I think that it's difficult for many people who have never been in this kind of situation to understand, but it is very easy to fall into a (very, very expensive) hole when you start falling behind on payments. First it's credit cards, and if you have a bad credit history for some reason you might have to resort to payday loans (which are even more expensive). By the time you finally get the rebate, you've already spent at least as much as you're saving from it. Obviously this isn't a universal thing, but it's something people are more vulnerable to the worse off financially they are, and they can often be thrust into this sort of situation if they have an unexpected large expense. Paracaidas posted:EIMBY baby. Give me that public housing, bump up renter protections, toss in some rent control, zoning reform, mandate a proportion of new housing stock within reasonable access to transit, through the implementation and removal of credits, bring the tax benefits of renting and owning towards parity. A good post. KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Those three candidates would be easy for Bloomberg to beat if he plays it right. Harris would be the hardest for him to overcome I think. I think you're heavily underestimating the advantages Clinton had in 2016. Not just from her influence over the party, but from her immense name recognition and lack of any mainstream competition (with the latter actually being more significant). There are no "establishment"-preferred candidates yet who are really similar for 2020 (though I think it's entirely possible they could still unify behind someone, though I really doubt that person will be Bloomberg). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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The Kingfish posted:Tax credits are probably the dumbest possible way to address the housing crises. Decommoditizing housing would probably be a pretty great idea, especially since its housing, not some kind of high tech medical device that needs innovation. Regulations should drive innovation in the industry.
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LeoMarr posted:I thibk the dems need another 4 years of prep time before they are going to run anyone strong enough. I mean theres no dems talking poo poo on trump that are as news worthy as trumps tweets. I think that after OWS/ bernie sanders efforts being hampered by the dem establishment weve seen a very fractural effect and untrust against establishment dems. People buy trumo stickers more and more. I live in dem stronghold, and i dont see any bumper stickers or mention of any of these people ive seen 1 single warren 2020 stocker in my entire life. Like losing to trump has created a crippling effect on the left entirely. No one person has enough credibility to run right now and make a real stand. This is kind of bizarre. Of course Trump tweets are taking up all the media oxygen, but there is only so much the opposition can do about that. If someone like Cory Booker started tweeting like Trump, he'd just get utterly lambasted for a news cycle and then discarded by everyone. Trump's a white old Republican man and basically he's allowed to get away with a lot of poo poo that others aren't, and even after three years the media is constitutionally unable to appropriately deal with him. I think raising the bar at "is able to subvert the entire news media landscape" is a little too high for the 2020 candidate. Shortcutting around it and not giving a poo poo about news media and Never Trump pundits, now that's something I can get behind as an appropriate quality in a 2020 candidate. There rest is just anecdotes and kinda irrelevant because the primary hasn't even begun yet. Of course the massively racist sitting President is going to have more bumper stickers and more passionate supporters than his opposing candidate, whose name we don't know yet.
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Ytlaya posted:In the meanwhile they can pay interest on debt they have to use when they fall behind on payments (or can't afford other things due to payments). One of the issues with this approach is that it ignores the fact that there are often heavy costs incurred as a result of people being unable to afford things at the time of purchase, so getting a refund later is an inefficient way of addressing the problem. I think that it's difficult for many people who have never been in this kind of situation to understand, but it is very easy to fall into a (very, very expensive) hole when you start falling behind on payments. First it's credit cards, and if you have a bad credit history for some reason you might have to resort to payday loans (which are even more expensive). By the time you finally get the rebate, you've already spent at least as much as you're saving from it. Building additional unaffordable rental properties and moving more and more and more people towards private personal home ownership will do nothing to help people who have fallen behind on payments and have to rely on credit cards and payday loans. At least refundable tax credits for rent does drop a giant pile of cash on poor people. It may not do it as fast as we would like but its not like provide federal grants to states to provide state grants to cities to build unaffordable housing is a fast process. poo poo I fully expect poo poo states like Mississippi and California to pocket the grant and provide property tax relief to millionaires instead.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Pretty much the only thing Bloomberg and Trump have in common is money. Trump is the walking incarnation of what the base GOP voter wants to be. Whatever the Democratic equivalent is of that, it's not Bloomberg. He would be the equivalent of JEB! Tons of money, no depth of support.
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Pththya-lyi posted:Trump is the walking incarnation of what the base GOP voter wants to be. Whatever the Democratic equivalent is of that, it's not Bloomberg. He would be the equivalent of JEB! Tons of money, no depth of support. jeb! eventually ran out of money which i think is a problem that bloomberg isn't going to have. his problem is going to be polling high enough to not get placed on the undercard debate stage
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Raskolnikov38 posted:jeb! eventually ran out of money which i think is a problem that bloomberg isn't going to have. his problem is going to be polling high enough to not get placed on the undercard debate stage how did he run out of money with $90 guac bowls
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