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comedyblissoption posted:note that some people will define capitalism to include variations where the state or public sector takes on the role of employer instead of a private non-state entity sure, all capitalist economies have some role for the state, but by and large the surplus product is extracted by private corporations through a wage contract, and these entities control roughly 80-90% of investment
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Jon Joe posted:"socialism is when the government does stuff" - karl marx, probably and the more stuff it does, the socialister it is
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KaptainKrunk posted:sure, all capitalist economies have some role for the state, but by and large the surplus product is extracted by private corporations through a wage contract, and these entities control roughly 80-90% of investment
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Peanut Butler posted:reappropriating an insult as a prideful thing isn't inherently dumb or bad, fellow goon The difference being the self awareness involved
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comedyblissoption posted:you've just defined "small c capitalism" as using tools, technology, and money to make more tools, technology, and money Capitalism would just be a facet of that, but yes, that’s the idea. To retake these things from the elites and create a more equitable society
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I think most people would call what you are describing as merely the process of capital accumulation. Socialists and communists and so on would embrace capital accumulation as a means of economic development just because it's so obvious. I wouldn't use the word capitalism to interchangeably mean capital accumulation.
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i too remain unconvinced
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capitalism is the system in which a ruling class comprised of those who own most or all of the capital privately use their accumulated wealth to acquire more and keep the proles in line and working for nothing. this is not the same thing as the concept of capital itself
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craptalism is doo doo
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comedyblissoption posted:some people like richard wolff and lenin have called the system of the soviet union state capitalism Soviet Union wasn't state capitalist. China is a much better example.
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sorry but i think that interpretation is the enemys propaganda and that you cede ideological ground if you prefer to let it be just that simple
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got any sevens posted:craptalism is doo doo If you know any shortcuts to full luxury gay space communism I'm all ears.
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Shame Boy posted:https://twitter.com/BurgerKing/status/1050043075404460032 Shame Boy posted:https://twitter.com/BurgerKing/status/1050043075404460032 I like all the  comments about how hard is working fast food anyway.the work is easy, dealing with the grownass adults acting like literal children over cheap garbage food is the actual hard part. you get poo poo pay and treat like poo poo constantly and people genuinely wonder why nobody gives a gently caress. the half-off has a limit of $6 so you couldn’t even get anything other than the cheapest poo poo. not that it mattered to me because there’s no way in gently caress I was going to pay my job for food while getting an unpaid lunch half-hour vvv DrManiac has issued a correction as of 11:37 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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Fast food places routinely steal wages and make petty changes to make the workers' lives that much worse. "We could give you a raise but we already provide half of your first meal a day. We used to provide free meals, but you took advantage of them so we got rid of them. We also know you come from a food insecure household, but we're going to make you throw away the leftovers anyway, and if you get caught eating anything -- ANYTHING -- at the restaurant without a receipt you're loving out of here."
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Why are we as a people convinced we should keep fast food wages low because other skilled jobs don't make more than $15/hr? Maybe instead of keep everything down because gently caress you we band together and try to get the stagnated wages across the board raised? Also this guy is a clearly a mentally sound individual 
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People who are comfortable are entitled and think people who HAVE to work 2 or 3 of these poo poo jobs and live in crappy apartments with 5 other people don't exist, because they thought they had it rough and things weren't that bad for them so just crash at your parents place lol
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Len posted:Why are we as a people convinced we should keep fast food wages low because other skilled jobs don't make more than $15/hr? Maybe instead of keep everything down because gently caress you we band together and try to get the stagnated wages across the board raised? It's literally just an outdated mindset held by people in ther 50s or older who think fast food still works like it did 30 years ago (i.e., every fast food worker is a teenager looking to make a little money and get their start as a worker). None of the people with this mindset realize that most fast food workers today are adults with families whose wages account for more than half of the family's income. It's also outright greed from lobby groups like the National Restaurant Association who have fought tooth and nail against any fast food wage increases for the last 20+ years. Basically every lobby group has propagandized for decades to get American workers to punch down and therefore never present a united front against them. Tl,dr only violent revolution will save us MeatwadIsGod has issued a correction as of 13:46 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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Len posted:Also this guy is a clearly a mentally sound individual That's very, "I've earned their inferiority, I'll kill you and them! Don't take it away from me!"
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If any tweet deserves brigading and reporting for threats of violence it's that one
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Len posted:Why are we as a people convinced we should keep fast food wages low because other skilled jobs don't make more than $15/hr? Maybe instead of keep everything down because gently caress you we band together and try to get the stagnated wages across the board raised? some people just need re-education
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All salaries should be public information
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Moridin920 posted:some people just need re-education Here's the textbook: Chapter 1  Chapter 2 Chapter 3
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pushpins posted:All salaries should be public information this would be huge tbh, it would help people understand how weak the link is between hard work and high pay
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Pirate Radar posted:this would be huge tbh, it would help people understand how weak the link is between hard work and high pay A friend of mine learned that the hard way. He busted his rear end doing everything real management did for less pay because they kept dangling the carrot of "it'll happen soon" in front of him. It took like three years before they made him management.
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every job where I've gotten paid more has resulted in me doing less and less actual work. anyone who didn't go straight into a high paying career should understand this innately.
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Pirate Radar posted:this would be huge tbh, it would help people understand how weak the link is between hard work and high pay As far as I can tell, it basically comes down to:
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pushpins posted:All salaries should be public information The American taboo against talking about wages is one of the great hurdles against class consciousness
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:every job where I've gotten paid more has resulted in me doing less and less actual work. anyone who didn't go straight into a high paying career should understand this innately.
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I've never worked harder than for minimum wage.
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Dreddout posted:The American taboo against talking about wages is one of the great hurdles against class consciousness That's because almost every job brow beats into you that you aren't allowed to discuss your wage with coworkers. Some threaten write ups for it. Mostly it boils down to pretty rear end people being awful. I dated a crazy in my department at Walmart who took personal offense and got angry at me that I'd only been there a year and was making 10 cents less than her after 3. Accretionist posted:I've never worked harder than for minimum wage. The only time I ever had to clean period blood off a bathroom floor was at my minimum wage McDonald's job. 5.75/hr is not enough to clean blood off a floor.
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It might actually be illegal to make you clean that iirc. Of course lol no one cares about workers so that's basically never enforced ever.
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Accretionist posted:I've never worked harder than for minimum wage. The only time I had to clean vomit was when I was making less than minimum wage!
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Moridin920 posted:It might actually be illegal to make you clean that iirc. I'm pretty sure McDonald's runs entirely off exploiting minors who don't know their rights. Unrelated someone kickstart Mousetrap only instead of catching mice it's putting people in a guillotine. I'd back it.
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mycomancy posted:Here's the textbook: Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to know more
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mycomancy posted:Here's the textbook: I look forward to when you finish chapter 4 of your book, do you perhaps have a snippet you can share with us?
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Len posted:I'm pretty sure McDonald's runs entirely off exploiting minors who don't know their rights. As has been pointed out, most of the workers are now well into adulthood, but they are desperate and so willing to put up with quite a lot of bullshit to keep their jobs. It's totally hosed and basically any minimum wage job in existence is a moral sin
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The Bloop posted:As has been pointed out, most of the workers are now well into adulthood, but they are desperate and so willing to put up with quite a lot of bullshit to keep their jobs. I figured that was the day shift. Can't work teenagers during school hours ya know? Day shift are adults trying to stay above water. Afternoons are teenagers working in school because society says "get a job"
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cakesmith handyman posted:If you know any shortcuts to full luxury gay space communism I'm all ears. That depends, are you a billionare? Because I can think of a few short cuts.
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If you're a billionaire you should immediately put 100% of your wealth towards worker coops and their financing for no interest rate. I think that would maybe be the only mitigating circumstance in avoidance of the guillotine.
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Len posted:Why are we as a people convinced we should keep fast food wages low because other skilled jobs don't make more than $15/hr? Maybe instead of keep everything down because gently caress you we band together and try to get the stagnated wages across the board raised? I like how dude is bitching (granted indirectly) that his pay isn't enough and rather than take his advice and find something better he wants to bitch about what others make. 
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