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The reason minimum wage workers have to work so hard is because they should actually be making much less than minimum wage. Since the government doesn't allow employers to pay employees the minimum amount they would actually work for, they have to make the workers work as hard as they are willing to instead. For example if I am willing to work for $1/hr in McDonald's at a stress-free pace, and tell that to my boss, but the government forces McDonald's to pay me $7/hr, then my boss knows that he can make me work very hard in a very stressful environment because that $7/hr would make me very happy compared to $1/hr, so that happiness can be counter-balanced by harder work and more stress without me quitting.
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Just imagine the incredible stress-free powerhouse of a job if the government allowed companies to pay 0/hr and manage your life choices for you. The ultimate freedom.
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Oct 13, 2018 21:40
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Rarity posted:Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to know more I learned them from you and the rest of the folk in the UKMT thread. I owe my newfound political consciousness to watching y'all chat for the last two years.
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qkkl posted:The reason minimum wage workers have to work so hard is because they should actually be making much less than minimum wage. Since the government doesn't allow employers to pay employees the minimum amount they would actually work for, they have to make the workers work as hard as they are willing to instead. Holy gently caress 
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Accretionist posted:I've never worked harder than for minimum wage. there is definitely an inverse relationship between the amount of money i've gotten paid to work and the amount of work i've had to do to get paid
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qkkl posted:The reason minimum wage workers have to work so hard is because they should actually be making much less than minimum wage. Since the government doesn't allow employers to pay employees the minimum amount they would actually work for, they have to make the workers work as hard as they are willing to instead. source your quotes plds
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KaptainKrunk posted:source your quotes plds He's not quoting anyone, he's just a giant rear end in a top hat. Or a "gimmick" of being an rear end in a top hat, which is essentially the same thing if you never break your gimmick.
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UBI sounds cool but as unpopular as this viewpoint might be i think implementing UBI would reduce economic output and you would end up sharing smaller and smaller versions of the pie. sure a lot of people have bullshit jobs that dont really contribute to anything and automation continues to increase but theres also important stuff that needs to be done by humans. i think a drastic reduction and in peoples working hours along with an increase in wages would be a better short term solution. also smuch stronger workers rights ofc
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Accretionist posted:I've never worked harder than for minimum wage. At my poo poo minimum wage job I consider slacking off and drinking lots of the free coffee to be revolutionary acts. The coffee shits are also revolutionary
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ubi would be fun at least to watch the entire food industry collapse
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WampaLord posted:He's not quoting anyone, he's just a giant rear end in a top hat. that dudes rap sheet is some galaxy brain stuff holy poo poo lol
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D.Ork Bimboolean posted:Just imagine the incredible stress-free powerhouse of a job if the government allowed companies to pay 0/hr and manage your life choices for you. The ultimate freedom. I too saw Sorry to Bother You
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qkkl posted:The reason minimum wage workers have to work so hard is because they should actually be making much less than minimum wage. Since the government doesn't allow employers to pay employees the minimum amount they would actually work for, they have to make the workers work as hard as they are willing to instead. Wait, what
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qkkl posted:The reason minimum wage workers have to work so hard is because they should actually be making much less than minimum wage. Since the government doesn't allow employers to pay employees the minimum amount they would actually work for, they have to make the workers work as hard as they are willing to instead. I work for 32 dollars an hour at a stress free pace. Coincidentally its a union job.
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UBI isn't "I'm going to stop working" money. It's "now I can afford to live while I work" money. The food industry will still have an army of labor to hire and fire at-will. It will help workers transition more easily though. If anything, it will be better in fact. We have mobility of capital. Now we need mobility of labor.
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Sedisp posted:I work for 32 dollars an hour at a stress free pace. If the government increased the minimum wage to $120/hr, would you be willing to continue working at your job at a much higher, more stressful pace?
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buddy the food industry is held afloat by illegal immigrants, they won't be getting UBI
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UBI doesn't make people less productive. It allows people to work smarter by not burning themselves out and living more comfortably. Higher minimum wage and shorter work weeks could also achieve this, but only for those in (full time) employment. Experiments with UBI showed that people used their extra money to get higher education or start their own businesses. Got that from this book. Conservatives claim to love stuff about people being able to make something for themselves, but only as long as they are allowed to make it extremely difficult in the process.
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Alcatrash posted:UBI doesn't make people less productive. It allows people to work smarter by not burning themselves out and living more comfortably. Higher minimum wage and shorter work weeks could also achieve this, but only for those in (full time) employment. Experiments with UBI showed that people used their extra money to get higher education or start their own businesses. Got that from this book. Conservatives claim to love stuff about people being able to make something for themselves, but only as long as they are allowed to make it extremely difficult in the process. i feel like this can all be done better with poo poo like free schooling and a living stipend for students as well as higher wages and a stronger social safety net but maybe those are my economist brainworms speaking
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Productivity is useless when the world's melting. We need to focus on creating a sustainable society, not a productive one.
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babypolis posted:i feel like this can all be done better with poo poo like free schooling and a living stipend for students as well as higher wages and a stronger social safety net but maybe those are my economist brainworms speaking I have a slightly different strain of the same brainworm, but they also ask why not go whole hog? In practice the effect seems to boost productivity, which means that either 1) contemporary models of labor relations are missing something, or 2) someone is lying. Behavioral economics seems to at least posses a few answers for the first scenario, and for the second we have automatic rifles and guillotines.
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Len posted:A friend of mine learned that the hard way. He busted his rear end doing everything real management did for less pay because they kept dangling the carrot of "it'll happen soon" in front of him. It took like three years before they made him management. Another problem with this is that management/execs have no reason to leave their jobs unless they are moving up the chain or sideways with benefits. They can easily keep their well paid job for as long as they like, and the positions will stay filled, but like you say they need to dangle the carrot to keep people interested in doing their best for the company until one of those slots gets freed up. TheMostFrench has issued a correction as of 03:25 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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The least gifted children of high-income parents graduate from college at higher rates than the most gifted children of low-income parents. Money Trumps Genes
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IDK about anyone else but if I were paid more I'd be more willing to actually buy poo poo from, like, stores and restaurants and not boxes of ramen or poo poo from China for cheap.Dreddout posted:Productivity is useless when the world's melting. We need to focus on creating a sustainable society, not a productive one. Sorry capitalism disallows this.
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I'd unironically love to see/study a UBI simulation on a global scale, it'd be interesting to see how cultural differences effect the short and long-term outcomes.
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Crosspost with youtube degeneracy thread.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:It's literally just an outdated mindset held by people in ther 50s or older who think fast food still works like it did 30 years ago (i.e., every fast food worker is a teenager looking to make a little money and get their start as a worker). None of the people with this mindset realize that most fast food workers today are adults with families whose wages account for more than half of the family's income. Even then, the idea that it's okay to treat teenagers like poo poo and exploit them seems ridiculous.
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Lambert posted:Even then, the idea that it's okay to treat teenagers like poo poo and exploit them seems ridiculous. I had to go through it. It's a rite of passage. Teaches you to want a real job. Puts hair on your chest. FYGM!
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Dreddout posted:Productivity is useless when the world's melting. We need to focus on creating a sustainable society, not a productive one. But what about MY MORAL OBLIGATION TO THE SHAREHOLDERS TO MAKE MONEY
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Communist Walrus posted:But what about MY MORAL OBLIGATION TO THE SHAREHOLDERS TO MAKE MONEY This is the capitalism equivalent of "I was only following orders"
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the whole world is one giant peter principle
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The Bloop posted:I had to go through it. Tbh I'd probably make any hypothetical kids do service work to instill a healthy respect for the proletariat
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cakesmith handyman posted:I'd unironically love to see/study a UBI simulation on a global scale, it'd be interesting to see how cultural differences effect the short and long-term outcomes. you are really overestimating the predictive power of economics
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Gum posted:you are really overestimating the predictive power of economics I didn't think the poster in question was talking about that as if it were a real thing. you can talk about wishing to see things that don't or can't exist, after all
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StashAugustine posted:Tbh I'd probably make any hypothetical kids do service work to instill a healthy respect for the proletariat Service Learning is becoming big in education (not sure about the US) and involves volunteering with underprivileged members of the community or advocating for changes to help others. I think it's fantastic and should be a mainstay for every junior high and high school year.
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The Bloop posted:I had to go through it.
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Shima Honnou posted:IDK about anyone else but if I were paid more I'd be more willing to actually buy poo poo from, like, stores and restaurants and not boxes of ramen or poo poo from China for cheap. Capitalism will never resolve its greatest contradiction - that the producers are also the consumers, and the capitalist desires to pay them as little as possible in one hand, and charge as much as possible in the other. You can't shift the producers elsewhere (say a sweatshop in India), because then you end up with your consumers having no money instead of merely little money. You can't make production more efficient, because then you just end up with a surplus that never gets bought. Your producers still get the same amount of money, how are they going to buy more of what they make? But consumption must continue, so instead we just see the rise and rise of consumer debt.
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