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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, I suppose, though that comes back to the "the setting is fundamentally pretty illogical" thing (it's also not clear if they have any good way to train against the sort of things they were fighting before, so fighting each other is at least better than nothing). Like, "why is the world being protected by some random Japanese teenagers" applies to a lot of manga/anime, but it's especially bad in this situation (since it makes no sense that there isn't huge world interest and involvement in this). Nevermind it was mistranslated. Should've said "External Affairs". I still feel like it was mentioned somewhere but haven't gotten very far in. The other is that the org itself configured itself as a lighting rod to keep gate activity clustered around a single general location (which, IIRC, is where the original incursion happened). So that's IIRC at some point they also mention the trion organ is at its best at "core Shonen Jump demographic" age. E: Actually checking the volume extras the ages are more like 15-20, which is remarkably old for a weekly shonen jump publication. Kyte fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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I'm always very amused by how perceptive Fumino is. The best panels are the simple ones where she thinks over something someone said and thinks "...OH?" 
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Mikl posted:I'm always very amused by how perceptive Fumino is. The best panels are the simple ones where she thinks over something someone said and thinks "...OH?" She's so smart and I love her and it also breaks my heart how hard she tries to hold back her own feelings in order to protect and support her friends. T_T That text message at the end was painfully cute.
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Oct 15, 2018 12:19
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I wonder who her friend is.
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Mulderman posted:I wonder who her friend is. Probably someone from the swimming club.
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Oct 15, 2018 13:54
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what shonen had the best magic system in your eyes? kinda like boku no hero's take on powers (though i have so many questions about it).
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Nothing even comes close to Nen. A detailed, deep system with rules, basic techniques and various applications, and full of enough potential and flexibility to make endless interesting fights. While HxH's story hasn't suffered at all for it, it's a bit disappointing that a lot of newer abilities have been "Specialist" abilities that break the rules or just do whatever he wants them to do because the user is special or a genius rather than being an ability in a category that was cultivated for a specific purpose. But it's still a great system.
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Nen is stupidly good for how simple it is. Your power can be whatever you want, basically*, but the more specific you make it - the more hoops you need to jump through and the more consequences you suffer if you don't - the stronger it becomes. *Yeah, yeah, I know, there are types, but still.
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Oct 15, 2018 14:51
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Law of Ueki.
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:Nothing even comes close to Nen. A detailed, deep system with rules, basic techniques and various applications, and full of enough potential and flexibility to make endless interesting fights.
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Dexo posted:Law of Ueki. drat first time I'm seeing anyone mentioning Ueki here. I love that mangaka's works even if they have real issues maintaining steam. There are some real good esoteric as hell powers in their latest work, saike, and I'm glad it seems to be breaking his curse on failing series
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i'd like to see more of non-combat nen users
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Yes, but could they possibly top
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Fruity20 posted:what shonen had the best magic system in your eyes? kinda like boku no hero's take on powers (though i have so many questions about it). As far as what makes the "best magic system" it's gotta be one that really makes the story shine for it's presence. I have a couple that fit the bill and since HxH has already been mentioned I'll skip that one. Beet the Vandel Buster This is probably one of the earliest manga I picked up and it's been one I've kept a fan of over the years even with a 7+ year hiatus. The premise of the world where humanity is combating a race of monsters called Vandels, who are humanoid creatures that can command lesser monsters and wage war for the sake of some ancient prophecy. Divine power in Beet is an elemental based magic system (Fire, Wind, Lightning, Water, Light) with the idea that humans channel these elements through the atmosphere and there is a good amount of flexibility in offense/defensive traits to each type so it's not really rock/paper/scissors but applications of the ability that matter. Most humans can only use 1 type, but if you put in the work you can learn more, and at the pinnacle you can even merge them together. And like I mentioned, Humans conduct divine power through the atmosphere. Vandels have an equivalent power called 'Dark Power' and has all the same elements but replace light with Dark. And they conduct their stuff through the earth. Which leads to some interesting moments like the Main character interrupting a vandel's attack by hitting it as it channels through the earth. Or a vandel employing poisoned moth scales to choke people, restricting their ability to cast divine power. The other part is the Saiga, a living weapon that a human can manifest when they have sufficient control over their element and it's something that starts to form over time. Saiga have your elemental attribute as a default, it manifests as the preferred weapon of the user (only one type), and being a part of the user if it's damaged it reflects onto you as well. Saiga also have at least two modes; a normal one as well as some transformed secondary mode that might give you a specialized attack or secondary ability. For example: One Saiga is a wind attribute gun that fires air as bullets and effectively has infinite ammo so long as your breathing is in sync with it but stores 6 bullets at a time, it's second form converts it to a sniper rifle that fires a compressed beam of air long distances and was shown to 1-shot a vandel that was fleeing, along with the giant monster he was riding on. This one is more nostalgia since it's not anything really special on it's own. But it led to some great fights in the manga and it's one of my favorite series out there, glad it finally came off of Hiatus. Magi Magi has a pretty complicated magic system because much like Nen it has a lot of fields of specialization and facets to it. In short magic is broken into 8 types with sub-types (Strength, fire, sound, lightning, etc), and used by two broad categories of people; Magicians and Metal Vessels. Everyone has Magoi, the MP of the story, but only magicians can consciously convert that magoi into any of the magic types. Other people have to settle for using dungeon tools, magical objects found within the ruins of an ancient civilization, or by using Metal Vessels (objects that are possessed by the spirit of a Djinn). Magicians are capable of some amazing stuff but instead of just having them be the largest threat in a confrontation, Metal Vessel users usually shine in that regard. A metal vessel allows it's user to cast spells of the Djinn's magical affinity as well as giving the user the ability to perform a 'Djinn equip' which alters the users body as they semi-merge with the djinn. Their fighting abilities increase greatly and they can also perform what's called Extreme magic which is some Final Fantasy "I cast meteor" level spell. Djinn equip also has the side effect of turning the user into a playable character in Dynasty Warriors because they can pretty much destroy normal humans and even magicians so long as their Magoi holds out. Metal Vessels can also create what's called a household; which is what happens when the Djinn seeds objects that belong to people loyal to the weilder of the vessel. This gives the household member access to a smaller range of spells and they can also merge with their household item, although this change is more permanent and turns them into monsters. Magi's magic is great for the series because it really is more than just for combat and flashy moves, it's also used to reinforce the themes of the story. The central idea of magi is the examination of what it means to be a King. So it's no surprise that most of the great leaders in the story are Metal Vessel users as typically those who acquire one go on to create their own country. But even the magician side of things plays out wonderfully in setting up the dichotomy of people born with magical powers and those who aren't and delves into the societal problems that arose from that. Full Metal Alchemist Like Magi, FMA's alchemy also works into the overall theme of the story, one of which is the pursuit of truth. Don't think I need to explain what it is, but alchemy and the various styles the different state alchemists, and Alkehesty users go really gave the cast some flavor. And fights like Ed vs Greed went a ways to emphasize that it's not raw power that is the alchemists strength, it's their intelligence and ability to manipulate the forces they have studied. Probably one of the best shonen I've read out there and Alchemy is just super cool both in concept and in execution.
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Wait, whoa, Beet is off hiatus? I remember reading a bit of that manga when it was in US Shonen Jump and really liking it, but then finding out it was on perma-hiatus and getting discouraged from checking out the rest.
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Special mention has to be given to Jujutsu Kaisen. Where they weaponized explaining your powers to someone. Because now they understand how it can hurt them. So it hurts more. New Chapter: https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/jujutsu-kaisen/en/0/29/ still worried for Nanamin. Dont die on the clock old man. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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I disagree with this, despite Magi being one of my absolute favorite shounen series (probably #2 behind HxH). I've always considered its combat and "mechanics" of the magic to be its only major weakness, and thought that it would have been almost perfect if it fully exploited the whole elementary variety of metal vessels. Like, there was a lot of potential in its system, but that potential was rarely realized. As a result, the fight scenes generally weren't very interesting. I'm only speaking of the mechanics, though - the lore behind the magic/vessels was great.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Special mention has to be given to Jujutsu Kaisen. i like that aspect of it but hxh already executed the same concept so it doesn't have the same shine to me. anyway i picked world trigger back up b/c of the news (from like...chapter 5? lol) and yeah that is a really drat fun series. the mock battle stuff starts pretty late so i haven't gotten tired of it yet, but coming on the heels of that huge invasion arc it would have to be pretty bad to burn that goodwill. the way action and squad tactics are conveyed in that series really give the conflict a sense of scale i don't think i've read in anything else, where you usually just have smash cuts between individual fights.
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Ytlaya posted:I disagree with this, despite Magi being one of my absolute favorite shounen series (probably #2 behind HxH). I've always considered its combat and "mechanics" of the magic to be its only major weakness, and thought that it would have been almost perfect if it fully exploited the whole elementary variety of metal vessels. Like, there was a lot of potential in its system, but that potential was rarely realized. As a result, the fight scenes generally weren't very interesting. But that's the thing, the magic isn't just the mechanics of combat like it is in stories like Beet or HxH, it's also a component of the lore in a significant way. But as for the fights, mage fights were fun. And I can't agree that metal vessels didn't get the use out of their elemental stuff, especially during the post-magnostadt battles. Time skip is where things also focus on practical applications of magic. If I had to criticize Ohtaka for anything in her fights it is that towards the end of the pre-time skip stuff there was an overuse of Extreme magic for metal vessel users and her art making following actions somewhat difficult. She really likes to smear people to show them moving fast which is nice, but having a busy background and intricate character designs makes it a pain sometimes to read. There is a lot more that could be done, and stuff like Dungeon Exploration felt like it got dropped way too early in the main comic, and wasn't as interesting in the prequel either so I agree that there was potential for more to be shown. Really one of my biggest gripes is that Alibaba never gets to have that second conversation with Amon but a lot of things went downhill during the last arc really. But as is I still think its a very realized series of magical tools and principles. LORD OF BOOTY posted:Wait, whoa, Beet is off hiatus? I remember reading a bit of that manga when it was in US Shonen Jump and really liking it, but then finding out it was on perma-hiatus and getting discouraged from checking out the rest.
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Manatee Cannon posted:since nen and alchemy have been mentioned, stands are basically magic too The thing that's great about stands is that there is really no system whatsoever. Araki paid some lip service to types and stats and rules in the early days, but at this point anything goes. Anything can have a stand, stands can do absolutely anything, you never know what to expect.
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Begemot posted:The thing that's great about stands is that there is really no system whatsoever. Araki paid some lip service to types and stats and rules in the early days, but at this point anything goes. Anything can have a stand, stands can do absolutely anything, you never know what to expect. The tree from Part 8 was a great setpiece for an arc and I hope it comes back later.
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Begemot posted:The thing that's great about stands is that there is really no system whatsoever. Araki paid some lip service to types and stats and rules in the early days, but at this point anything goes. Anything can have a stand, stands can do absolutely anything, you never know what to expect. nen is kind of like that too. the rules that bind specific powers is what's interesting
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While I don't think many people will go to bat for Haki in One Piece, Devil Fruits are one of the best. I really appreciate the classification system of Elemental, Transformative, and Whatever-The-gently caress-Else.
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Joseance posted:Jujutsu kaisen owns  lol at the -_- face the curse guy had when they were slicing his spikes off
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TriffTshngo posted:While I don't think many people will go to bat for Haki in One Piece, Devil Fruits are one of the best. I really appreciate the classification system of Elemental, Transformative, and Whatever-The-gently caress-Else. Devil fruits have a really good class system, they're broken down into 3 types: Zoan: animal-baswd Paramecia: user's body generates devil fruit power, but cannot itself turn fully into the substance Logia: user can completely morph into the substance, usually an element, and their body can dissolve and change shape at will
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I guess this goes here since it's a shonen, but I've hopped back on the watamote train after dropping off shortly after the introduction of library girl. I did not realize how much there was, and had heard recently that it had gone places. I'm about 80 or so chapters in and the cringe train just keeps on a-rollin, with tomoko continuing to be a pitiable, disastrous trainwreck of a person, whose problems and conflicts are more often than not self-inflicted. But even now as it goes with her awkwarding her way through life, she's made at minimum acquaintances or associates, and even a few people who have accepted she is a total weirdo and chosen to continue hanging around her anyway. It's still very difficult to read since there are many aspects of tomoko that are painfully relateable(the social awkwardness and overthinking every situation to near panic attack levels, not so much the creepy parts) but it's nice to see her character progress as it goes. What other similar series of broken folks are there? Punpun, welcome to the nhk, masturbation master kurosawa, there's a couple other big ones I'm forgetting I think, most aren't shonen though Edit: oh god. Tomoko broke kii-chan's brain by being the worst, totally destroyed her childlike innocence at that store early in the series and now she's gone full psycho Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Flame of Recca's Magdogu were also pretty fun.
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Captain Invictus posted:I guess this goes here since it's a shonen, but I've hopped back on the watamote train after dropping off shortly after the introduction of library girl. I did not realize how much there was, and had heard recently that it had gone places. Now (by a mixture of accidents and Tomoko basically just being "gently caress it" and being herself off and on) has some friends and regularly goes out and does stuff with them. Now her big thing isn't just trying not to die interacting with anyone but rather stuff like worrying coming off like she favors one of her friends over another or causing fights between other people. I think even if it's by accident the series has done a good job of showing what growing up is like- because now that we're seeing what all of her friends and acquaintances are really like they're all about as "weird" as Tomoko to varying degrees. The big tough delinquent girl is basically mentally a 12 year-old with what she likes (she's literally entranced by Disneyland), the girl that's obsessed with Tomoko's brother is at least as pathetic as early Tomoko, the rest of her friends all have their own nerdy hobbies/desires/etc. The bit where Tomoko breaks the brain of one her friends by explaining the seiyuu industry and what it takes to break in is pretty loving funny.
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TriffTshngo posted:While I don't think many people will go to bat for Haki in One Piece, Devil Fruits are one of the best. I really appreciate the classification system of Elemental, Transformative, and Whatever-The-gently caress-Else. i didn't know saike had resumed translations, neat
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birdmen got an update today https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/birdmen/en/10/45/page/1
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Manatee Cannon posted:birdmen got an update today From 0 to best character in a few pages. Impressive
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i really like the eves. it's incredibly bleak and compelling how they all go mad with despair.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'd like to see more of non-combat nen users I wanted to see Kite using his dumb Nen weapon that doesnt listen to him but that wont happen now
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