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This feels embarrassing to admit, but I enjoy really entry-level stuff that counters common canards about how capitalism is the only way and everything else leads to totalitarianism. Nearly everyone raised in the US is indoctrinated with the belief that "free markets" are a law of nature without even realizing it, so being able to counter common right-wing talking points without getting lost theory and sources is really valuable, in my experience.Pentecoastal Elites posted:I didn't think anything would top "it is ableist to ask me to not cross picket lines" but "it is white privilege to not vote for the ratfucking millionare shitlib dem" is a pretty fuckin wild one too Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 20:08 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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jarofpiss posted:there should be enough nerds in DSA that they can competently explain the important stuff so the normal people dont get tricked by liberals. those nerds should definitely read books. pamphlets for everyone else, lest they become nerds and tip the very precarious nerd:normal person balance that is necessary for a successful org the revolutionary nerd vanguard, yes, I've read about this
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Oct 15, 2018 20:11
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Your average person getting into the dsa today would probably be better served by reading bell hooks than Marx, honestly.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I didn't think anything would top "it is ableist to ask me to not cross picket lines" but "it is white privilege to not vote for the ratfucking millionare shitlib dem" is a pretty fuckin wild one too Wait what
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Oct 15, 2018 20:14
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lmao CNN had a random today with a black guy whining about the dangers of socialism and how president Trump needs to be supported.
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:Your average person getting into the dsa today would probably be better served by reading bell hooks than Marx, honestly. Sell me on this please
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jarofpiss posted:there should be enough nerds in DSA that they can competently explain the important stuff so the normal people dont get tricked by liberals. those nerds should definitely read books. pamphlets for everyone else, lest they become nerds and tip the very precarious nerd:normal person balance that is necessary for a successful org That's My poo poo Right Here
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Halloween Jack posted:This feels embarrassing to admit, but I enjoy really entry-level stuff that counters common canards about how capitalism is the only way and everything else leads to totalitarianism.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:34
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for me its "capitalism is already exceeding at everything they told you was bad about socialism, except in support of a compulsive obsession with productivity expansion, instead of any kind of intrinsically useful goal.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Sell me on this please she writes extensively about the intersection of race, gender, class and capitalism and explicitly has several books she wrote to be accessible to people who don't fuckin know what feminism actually is. she also acknowledges there's a variety of systemic oppressors in society and our ills can't be attributed to any one. look back at 2016, a common complaint about Bernie (that honestly wasn't without merit) was he was pretty much all about economic solutions and didn't really have as nearly nuanced answers for poo poo like the oppression of minorities, social justice reform, and poo poo like that. like, its a legit issue that you can't just hammer on the econ stuff because there are a lot of people in our country that feel like they have much more pressing issues they're dealing with. it can make you seem out of touch, especially for minorities who are super skeptical that any economic reform will benefit them as historically, it has not. besides, it's good to get some diversity in your reading material aside from all the dead white europeans anyway. 100 HOGS AGREE has issued a correction as of 21:04 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I didn't think anything would top "it is ableist to ask me to not cross picket lines" but "it is white privilege to not vote for the ratfucking millionare shitlib dem" is a pretty fuckin wild one too from a debate on whether or not you should support Ben Jealous, a literal multimillionaire venture fund capitalist: quote:It's interesting how a group of relatively privileged people are debating whether to support an African American man who has the support of most working people and people of color because of his positions and history of fighting AND WINNING victories that materially improve their lives. That sounds pretty academic and privileged to me. quote:how many working class people of color have you asked about the best way to support them? You care about BDS but people in MD will die without healthcare. Children sit in freezing classrooms. Hogan will build more pipelines and fossil fuel infrastructure. That keeps me up at night more than ideology. quote:I'm sure the working class Black people in Maryland who don't have health care, are incarcerated, and getting crappy education agree that Ben's position on BDS means that Hogan would be a better choice. Did you ask them or are you deciding whether that's true for them? And did you ask Palestinian activists if Hogan would be better? Or are you just using those PoC to justify your absolute position. Must be nice to have that luxury. etc etc etc. mind you, this is coming from a DSA-endorsed Montgomery County, MD liberal who is herself wealthy.
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Business Gorillas posted:Wait what during the Amazon boycott it apparently became ableist to ask people not to buy from them because Amazon Prime is the only source of shopping for some autistic and immobile people.
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Honestly true uhc would do more to erase systemic inequality than a lot of other measures, which is actually why white people turned against it and the very idea of a safety net back in the 60s.
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Postoyevsky posted:etc etc etc. mind you, this is coming from a DSA-endorsed Montgomery County, MD liberal who is herself wealthy. DSA needs to be more picky about its endorsements, jfc
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Postoyevsky posted:from a debate on whether or not you should support Ben Jealous, a literal multimillionaire venture fund capitalist: ben jealous supports companies that force brown people to piss in bottles everyday or they starve.  ^idk about DC DSA but Baltimore DSA has not endorsed him. National won't endorse him as a matter of policy because he does not identify as a socialist. Ruzihm has issued a correction as of 20:58 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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It's pretty hilarious that the thread that's generally anti-electoralism and being coopted by the democrats is nodding along to "the IWW is bad and dumb because they stuck to revolutionary principles and were ruthlessly attacked by capital while the unions who silently bowed to American imperialism and are now reduced to a weak arm of the democrats are good"
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BOOSness Hammocks posted:Honestly true uhc would do more to erase systemic inequality than a lot of other measures, which is actually why white people turned against it and the very idea of a safety net back in the 60s. yep yep. also, same with raising the minimum wage! POC working class members work for minimum wage at SIGNIFICANTLY higher rates due to that sweet sweet combination of capitalist exploitation and good fashioned racism, raising the minimum wage fights this. also, same with a housing guarantee! same with fighting for our environment! it's almost as if...we can do class consciousness and identity politics at the same time...hmmmm
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http://www.theseventhstate.com/?p=9292quote:DSA asked, “Do you identify as a democratic socialist?”
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big black turnout posted:It's pretty hilarious that the thread that's generally anti-electoralism and being coopted by the democrats is nodding along to "the IWW is bad and dumb because they stuck to revolutionary principles and were ruthlessly attacked by capital while the unions who silently bowed to American imperialism and are now reduced to a weak arm of the democrats are good" no one said this dork I said the IWW has an ineffective organizing and institutional model and shouldn't be held as a path forward for labor unions. All labor unions have been ruthlessness attacked by capital, but the average "bad labor union" ITYOOL 2018 offers more material benefit to a worker than the IWW does currently (which is nothing)
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Postoyevsky posted:Meitiv is who I quoted in my last post yeah, thats who i thought it was
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Ruzihm posted:ben jealous supports companies that force brown people to piss in bottles everyday or they starve. DC DSA didn't endorse him either, but doesn't stop the vast swaths of liberals demanding fealty to him at every possible opportunity
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Postoyevsky posted:during the Amazon boycott it apparently became ableist to ask people not to buy from them because Amazon Prime is the only source of shopping for some autistic and immobile people. What the gently caress lmao Also is there a website that tells me about the various strikes and poo poo going on? Not like the media covers this sort of stuff
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Business Gorillas posted:What the gently caress lmao Not that I know of. There's several labor-focused newspapers and sites that are good (NW Labor Press, Payday Report, Labor Notes, etc) for general reporting on labor issues My union goes on strike all over the country regularly but you rarely hear about it being reported because it's not necessarily concerning high profile companies.
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Postoyevsky posted:DC DSA didn't endorse him either, but doesn't stop the vast swaths of liberals demanding fealty to him at every possible opportunity https://mdcdsa.org/the-washington-socialist/ben-jealous-an-earthquake-hits-marylands-establishment-politics/ quote:Ben has a bold vision, one that’s right for Maryland. Onwards to victory, Ben. You demonstrate when you really tap into our state’s progressive electorate, you can win with progressive ideas: go bold. 
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big black turnout posted:It's pretty hilarious that the thread that's generally anti-electoralism and being coopted by the democrats is nodding along to "the IWW is bad and dumb because they stuck to revolutionary principles and were ruthlessly attacked by capital while the unions who silently bowed to American imperialism and are now reduced to a weak arm of the democrats are good"
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yes we should all look to the *checks notes* labor union that ceased to matter entirely in the 1920s as an example of how best to resist American imperialism
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asking people how you can best help them and then taking their word for it, instead of shoving your favorite issues at them as the solution to all their woes is a good policy in general though.
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If you can't get a straight answer to a question like this, that should be a big ol' red flag
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rudecyrus posted:If you can't get a straight answer to a question like this, that should be a big ol' red flag she's the Free Range Mom quote:Danielle Meitiv’s personal nightmare became a national conversation after she was charged with neglect when police picked up her two boys – aged 10 and 6 – walking home from a Silver Spring Park.
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The ineffective IWW virgin: *wins the 40 hour work week* The effective SEIU chad: *endorses Hillary*
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big black turnout posted:The ineffective IWW virgin: *wins the 40 hour work week* the 40 hour work week wasn't implemented in the USA at large until the 1940s You're thinking of the 8 hour day, which began long before the IWW was founded but was first implemented in the USA by various collective bargaining agreements, something the IWW shunned in favor of direct action. It was finally set in law by the FLSA, in 1937, 15 years after the IWW Upheld Their Revolutionary Principles by splitting off into a million different factions and losing all of their effective organizers to the Communist Party
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the ILWU is a pretty great union tbh. Radical stances, great pay and benefits for their workers, disaffilliated from the AFL-CIO for being too moderate, and made Tesla airlift their cars rather than ship them.
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Since we're doing hot takes on labor: using self check out lines is one degree of separation away from scabbing I will not be taking questions
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Business Gorillas posted:Since we're doing hot takes on labor: using self check out lines is one degree of separation away from scabbing thats not a hot take
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the only ethical reason to use self checkout is to steal
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Impermanent posted:the ILWU is a pretty great union tbh. Radical stances, great pay and benefits for their workers, disaffilliated from the AFL-CIO for being too moderate, and made Tesla airlift their cars rather than ship them. ILWU are amazing, I got to go to their general convention a few months back. Some of the most talented organizers I know and have a second to none internal organizing program for their membership. Its a shame they dont really have a presence on the East Coast
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Business Gorillas posted:Since we're doing hot takes on labor: using self check out lines is one degree of separation away from scabbing i refuse to use the self checkout and will happily stand in line for 20 minutes. gently caress that poo poo
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What is the outcome of you individually refusing to use self-checkout?
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