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Al Borland Corpse posted:I read they had developers regularly working 100 hour weeks on Red Dead 2. Just, holy poo poo, dudes. Nah the Japanese just work horrible soul crushingly long days all year long so there is no need for extra crunch Andrast fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Barudak posted:Almost all hype and interest in this thread for the game is because of StarFox It would have showed up on the threads radar anyway, but yeah that is part of it. It helps that Ubisoft really knocked it out of the park last time they were able to use a Nintendo IP. And to all appearances, they made pretty good use of Star Fox so... It's a hard game to pin down, none of the comparisons really fit. ^^edit: gently caress me, that's horrendous 
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Oct 15, 2018 20:48
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Al Borland Corpse posted:I read they had developers regularly working 100 hour weeks on Red Dead 2. Just, holy poo poo, dudes. I'm saying not to buy Red Dead 2. These practices are common in the games industry, but it honestly sounds like Rockstar is one of the worst offenders.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:49
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With the Telltale fallout prepare to hear a lot more about lovely game buisness practices. Your hobby is not ethical consumption under capitalism unfortunately.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:53
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King of Solomon posted:I'm saying not to buy Red Dead 2. These practices are common in the games industry, but it honestly sounds like Rockstar is one of the worst offenders. It is not my place to say, as neutral arbiter of the thread.
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Modus Pwnens posted:It's only a grind if you don't want to play the game, or if you're a reviewer trying to rush the ending in two days. It took only a couple hours for Asscreed Odyssey to feel like a grind to me
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Oct 15, 2018 20:55
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They get away with this poo poo because no matter how many workers they burn out, there's always a lineup down the block of people who are willing to break themselves because they've dreamed of working in the industry ever since they were five years old and they think their passion is going to make up for lack of money, respect and work/life balance What's really disconcerting is that the exact same thing applies to commercial pilots
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Oct 15, 2018 20:56
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Al Borland Corpse posted:I read they had developers regularly working 100 hour weeks on Red Dead 2. Just, holy poo poo, dudes. Rockstar is going to sell 40 million plus copies so to upper level management awwwww hell yeah it was worth it
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Oct 15, 2018 20:59
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RandomFerret posted:What's really disconcerting is that the exact same thing applies to commercial pilots Except for the ones apparently willing to relocate to China and make $300k USD/year. (Wendover Productions is such a good channel.  )
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Oct 15, 2018 20:59
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Barudak posted:Rockstar is going to sell 40 million plus copies so to upper level management awwwww hell yeah it was worth it They'll toast a 30 year single malt to the "human cost".
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Oct 15, 2018 21:01
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everything I've read has said that Nintendo is one of the better companies to work for, re: how it treats its employees
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Oct 15, 2018 21:03
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Nodosaur posted:everything I've read has said that Nintendo is one of the better companies to work for, re: how it treats its employees On one hand Satoru Iwata took a pay cut while the company was doing less than excellent, mainly so they wouldn't have to fire people and lose morale on the other hand Masahiro Sakurai's arms calcified and almost fell off while he worked from 9am to 10pm every day on Smash Bros
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Oct 15, 2018 21:06
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Well he works for HAL Labs, which Nintendo surprisingly doesn't own at all.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:08
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DLC Inc posted:On one hand Satoru Iwata took a pay cut while the company was doing less than excellent, mainly so they wouldn't have to fire people and lose morale That's the man's personal work ethic, and he seems excessive even for the Japanese work ethic He's very much a man that doesn't like to leave his work unattended or unsupervised. He constantly comes back to a series that he's continually expressed fatigue regarding having to work on because he sees it as his responsibility.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:09
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Augus posted:It took only a couple hours for Asscreed Odyssey to feel like a grind to me You don't like the gameplay loop, and that's okay.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:14
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I think I heard stuff about nintendo having to stop its employees from working and have security escort them out because they were working too much.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:16
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Nintendo loves its entirely uncle based workforce
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Oct 15, 2018 21:17
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Is it just me or are AAA games largely toxic
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Is it just me or are AAA games largely toxic Yes
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I think japan passed some sort of law within the past year or so limiting employee overtime or something to try and stop the whole 'employees working themselves to the bone out of duty' thing.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Is it just me or are AAA games largely toxic Most of them are bad too which makes the whole thing even more depressing.
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Oct 15, 2018 21:22
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Pharohman777 posted:I think japan passed some sort of law within the past year or so limiting employee overtime or something to try and stop the whole 'employees working themselves to the bone out of duty' thing. Based on telltale events. They were breaking the law and just lying and not paying overtime. Laws are dicey in an industry that routinely just fires everyone all the time. Need some strong whistleblower laws as well/first. And even then you can get blackballed from the industry sooooo? It ain't good
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Oct 15, 2018 21:23
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Nodosaur posted:That's the man's personal work ethic, and he seems excessive even for the Japanese work ethic yeah that's the irony of leaving HAL because he was sick of making Kirby games all the time, and then being suckered into making an even bigger sequel-laden series that sells more than God itself. I know he keeps saying "this is my last one" but Ultimate really does feel like it's labeling itself as a finale.
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Pharohman777 posted:I think japan passed some sort of law within the past year or so limiting employee overtime or something to try and stop the whole 'employees working themselves to the bone out of duty' thing. There's also a cultural more in Japan where you don't leave before your boss so even if there's no work left to do for the day you're still sitting at your desk. I think I read an anecdote where one of the guys developing a game in the US was in Japan for a meeting and while they still had stuff discuss the Japanese manager made a big show of leaving for the day with the guy before heading back and the entire office was gone in like 5 minutes.
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DLC Inc posted:yeah that's the irony of leaving HAL because he was sick of making Kirby games all the time, and then being suckered into making an even bigger sequel-laden series that sells more than God itself. I know he keeps saying "this is my last one" but Ultimate really does feel like it's labeling itself as a finale. This time he keeps saying he wants to make more after this one which only makes me feel like it actually will be his last one.
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DLC Inc posted:yeah that's the irony of leaving HAL because he was sick of making Kirby games all the time, and then being suckered into making an even bigger sequel-laden series that sells more than God itself. I know he keeps saying "this is my last one" but Ultimate really does feel like it's labeling itself as a finale. I'm missing some history here. Was Sakurai involved with Kirby Star Allies? edit: correction  edit: Huh, he wasn't. Weird. Anyway I was thinking of trading in Kirby while I can still get something for it and taking a chance on Starlink. Kirby was okay, but I 100%'d it in like 10 hours and I can't see myself ever going back to it. THE FUCKING MOON fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Ohtsam posted:There's also a cultural more in Japan where you don't leave before your boss so even if there's no work left to do for the day you're still sitting at your desk. They have 3 tiers of overtime pay and a loooot of Japanese Salary jobs make up an absurd amount of their yearly salary in those "bonus" payouts so its absolutely financially incentivized too
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Al Borland Corpse posted:Red Dead 2 has real time horse testicle shrinkage and horse digestive system... was this necessary?
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THE loving MOON posted:I'm missing some history here. Was Sakurai involved with Kirby Star Allies? he left right after Air Ride. Curiously he had nothing to do with Kirby 3 which was very different from Super Star. Sometime after, he created a new company called Sora. Soon after that, Iwata announced SSB Brawl which was a surprise to Sakurai, and after the fact Iwata asked Sakurai to be the director. So right after making his own company he got guilted into making another fuckin Smash anyway lol.
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Sakurai treats every Smash game like it's the last one he's ever going to make. At this point he only has himself to blame for not walking away.
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Apparently you can't use a pro controller with The World Ends With You, literally just shuts it off. I guess I should have gleaned that from this thread, but it was already on it's way from Gamefly. Never played the original so didn't know the combat required a touch screen or whatever. Going to be pissed if Starlink does the same thing, like ideally I just Amiibo tap the stuff and change it in the menus with a controller.
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Digital version confirmed to let you just swap with in game menus so good there. TWEWY just hates control options
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The pro controller supports amiibo but I don’t think the Starlink toys are amiibo so I’m not sure it works with that.
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katkillad2 posted:Apparently you can't use a pro controller with The World Ends With You, literally just shuts it off. Welp, there goes any chance of me buying it e: honestly it's seeming more and more like the Wii U would have been a better place to port it. Or hell, 3ds. I would have bought the poo poo out of a 3ds port.
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Or on any cheap Android phone, really. Drastic is a really really good DS emulator with a bazillion customization options for the ~perfect experience~ no matter the title. My favorite was reversing the top/bottom screens in Etrian Odyssey so that I could draw a map on top while the bottom half served as my navigation/battle screen with see thru controller inputs. I played it on a Note 4 and used stylus+on screen controllers, making it a very Authentic Experience Not sure how well that would work with an action heavy game but surely it's better than the bullshit they cooked up for the switch version. KingSlime fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Gamestop gave me $30 for Kirby (which I bought for $50), and $15 for Bomberman, which I bought for $20. What the gently caress, how. This might be the first time I've done a gamestop trade-in and not felt like I was ripped off. That's like...totally reasonable. 
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katkillad2 posted:Going to be pissed if Starlink does the same thing, like ideally I just Amiibo tap the stuff and change it in the menus with a controller. You can play Starlink digitally with a Pro Controller. You do need the joycons if you play with the physical toys since the controller grip interacts with the joycon's rails. You can still technically use the physical toys and play with a Pro Controller, you just need to scan toys that don't come with the base game with the joycon grip the base physical version comes with every 7 days. Alternatively, go all digital. [The Digital Deluxe version comes with everything that isn't a store/European preorder exclusive, which at this point means you only miss out on two ship reskins and a pilot that's currently only available in Europe]
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THE loving MOON posted:Gamestop gave me $30 for Kirby (which I bought for $50), and $15 for Bomberman, which I bought for $20. What the gently caress, how. This might be the first time I've done a gamestop trade-in and not felt like I was ripped off. That's like...totally reasonable. Because those are games that will definitely sell vs. anything on Wii U that you might get 10 percent of the resale value on. They offered me 6 bucks for Bayo 2 and it sells for 40.
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In case anyone was wondering if Starlink has a preload, the answer is apparently yes. Might get to play this tonight  ^^Edit:Yeah I've been there. Still surprising though, I guess the Switch tax cuts both ways Edit: I'm gonna modify the hell out of my Arwing and when I fight wolf I am going to say aloud "You can't beat me, I've got a better ship!" and holy cow I might have to pause cuz ill be laughing so hard THE FUCKING MOON fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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