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Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.

wiegieman posted:

That would require Bethesda to acknowledge that Obsidian made a better Fallout game than they could.

Though it should be noted that Obsidian had a pretty huge head start by having the base game features built for them, so they could focus more on the story and setting design that they're known for. They also had a lot more to draw upon by placing it on the west coast.

e: ...The reduced dev time does partly offset that, of course.

Zomborgon fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Oct 6, 2018

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ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
Really, it just comes down to management stupidity.


Bethesda/Zenimax was cool with giving Obsidian 2 whole years to make the game, but Obsidian's higher ups said "nah, give us less time AND bonuses if the Metacritic score is 85".

BGS gave Obsidian all the assets and resources they needed. Obsidian still made more assets, though, so it wasn't a complete recycling project. It was a completely symbiotic relationship between the two (Obsidian gets noticed by the games industry again in a big way, and Bethesda gets another game out the gate while Skyrim is being developed), but corporate greed and pride got in the way of quality.

SchrodingersFish
Mar 9, 2012

PurpleXVI posted:

This may also be down to your armor. Some armor marks you automatically as a member of a faction, so unless you do something hostile while wearing it, they'll think you're one of them... and so will their enemies. So if you were wearing certain types of NCR armor, that might have gotten Caesar's goons to shoot on sight.

I bet that was it, now that I think about it I wore an NCR sniper beret for most of the game. I didn’t get the “you are dressed as the NCR” message so I didn’t think it would cause an issue, but I guess it did!

SchrodingersFish fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Oct 13, 2018

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
Time to get whacked!


Chapter 61: Sun Vulture and the Gomorrah Godfathering

ApeHawk fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Apr 10, 2019

ShootaBoy
Jan 6, 2010

Anime is Bad.
Except for Pokemon, Valkyria Chronicles and 100% OJ.

That was... surprisingly painless. Huh. Usually this quest, or really any of the quests at Gomorrah, bug the hell out for me.

King Doom
Dec 1, 2004
I am on the Internet.
Isn't Clanden, the guy you let run away one of the four evilest npc's in the game by karma? dude makes torture-snuff-porn for kicks. I always solve his part in the quest via a flamethrower.

McTimmy
Feb 29, 2008

ShootaBoy posted:

That was... surprisingly painless. Huh. Usually this quest, or really any of the quests at Gomorrah, bug the hell out for me.

Skipping the four million loading screens for the Joanna quest certainly helps.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Yeah, in particular this quest always gets me a hilarious bug where the dead hooker isn't actually dead. You go in there and she just kind of strolls out with generic dialogue, but you can still examine the table and get the "Signs of a horrible murder" thing.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change
Gannon, be prepared to see that wall smashed to dust by the end of Sun's Bizarre Adventure. But seriously, love the added dialogue between Sun and the NPCs, good poo poo all around :allears:

fucking love Fiona Apple
Jun 19, 2013

samus comfy so what

King Doom posted:

Isn't Clanden, the guy you let run away one of the four evilest npc's in the game by karma? dude makes torture-snuff-porn for kicks. I always solve his part in the quest via a flamethrower.

He's scum I don't think Sun will let him be by the end of this.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Finally caught up to the thread and I cannot wait for Sun's visit to the third strip casino.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


King Doom posted:

Isn't Clanden, the guy you let run away one of the four evilest npc's in the game by karma? dude makes torture-snuff-porn for kicks. I always solve his part in the quest via a flamethrower.

He's Cook-Cook levels of bad, yeah. It's implied that he's the one who killed the dead prostitute behind the locked door, the one with the medical examination.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Good thing is you can follow him out of the hotel and into freeside where he's promptly executed for not being rich enough by the security bots.

fucking love Fiona Apple
Jun 19, 2013

samus comfy so what

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Good thing is you can follow him out of the hotel and into freeside where he's promptly executed for not being rich enough by the security bots.

If he's not eaten, can we really call it true justice?

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
New update, just in time for lunch!

Chapter 62: Sun Vulture and the Veil of Veal

ApeHawk fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Apr 10, 2019

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
Bon Appetite.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
Huh. I'm pretty sure I've been invited to the special dinner as part of this questline, but maybe it's only allowed for the, er, other path?

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Huh. I'm pretty sure I've been invited to the special dinner as part of this questline, but maybe it's only allowed for the, er, other path?

Correct.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change
Delicious people that nobody will ever give a gently caress about

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.
How fortunate that this is on the horizon given this update
https://www.amazon.com/Fallout-Vault-Dwellers-Official-Cookbook/dp/168383397X

Pre-order today, it comes out in a week.
ED: No wink and nod Cannibal Sandwiches unless that's what Saddle Up Steak is supposed to be
EDx2 No, wait, that's probably Carol's Mystery Meat Stew

CzarChasm fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Oct 15, 2018

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary
Seeing things play out like this was so weird, as I make sure to gently caress Mortimer's plans up every single time.

McTimmy
Feb 29, 2008
This questline is also so hilariously buggy. I've once had Heck whip out a shotgun and blast Ted's head off for no reason.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Sword_of_Dusk posted:

Seeing things play out like this was so weird, as I make sure to gently caress Mortimer's plans up every single time.

Seriously, gently caress the White Gloves. I always try to maximize the body count during this questline.

Heir03
Oct 16, 2012

Pillbug

ApeHawk posted:

Correct.

Is this something that can be spoiled or no? I'm curious.

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."

Heir03 posted:

Is this something that can be spoiled or no? I'm curious.

Basically, the only reason you need to be granted membership of the White Glove Society is if you want to expose Mortimer's scheme as he's executing it, siding with Marjorie. Otherwise, you are just a really friendly person who just helped him out with his plan.

And even then, for that branch of the quest, it's completely optional and requires you to at least be Liked by the Strip.

Sketchie
Nov 14, 2012

That's... a thing. :gonk:

But then again I guess you can't be too picky in the wasteland.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Man, why y'all acting like having a dinner party and laughing among friends is a bad thing? I eat the flesh of my enemies, and allies, all the time! Honest HUNGER should be appreciated :(

Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.

Honest Hearts and 101 More Organ-Based Recipes

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary
drat cannibals! You should all be taken out back and shot. Eating people ain't patriotic, goddammit!

Dancer
May 23, 2011

Sword_of_Dusk posted:

drat cannibals! You should all be taken out back and shot. Eating people ain't patriotic, goddammit!

Well, eating some people is...

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Good patriot cannibals feast on their defeated enemies like this. drat foreigner cannibals feast on innocent martyrs like this

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


I mean, it wouldn't really have been the Sun Vulture thing to do anything else.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

CzarChasm posted:

How fortunate that this is on the horizon given this update
https://www.amazon.com/Fallout-Vault-Dwellers-Official-Cookbook/dp/168383397X

Pre-order today, it comes out in a week.
ED: No wink and nod Cannibal Sandwiches unless that's what Saddle Up Steak is supposed to be
EDx2 No, wait, that's probably Carol's Mystery Meat Stew


I don't wanna be that gal, but there are no recipes from New Vegas in here. No Sunset Sarsaparilla, no Wasteland Omelet, no Brahmin Wellington.

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary

bony tony posted:

I don't wanna be that gal, but there are no recipes from New Vegas in here. No Sunset Sarsaparilla, no Wasteland Omelet, no Brahmin Wellington.

Bethesda does their level best to ignore New Vegas when they can. At least, it seems that way.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


bony tony posted:

I don't wanna be that gal, but there are no recipes from New Vegas in here. No Sunset Sarsaparilla, no Wasteland Omelet, no Brahmin Wellington.

There is Xander Root Soup though, and Xander Root is only from New Vegas. It's also got Nuka Quartz which was introduced in New Vegas even if it was also used in FO4's DLC.

There is no conspiracy to wipe New Vegas away. I would guess instead it's just far more likely that the people who made this cookbook and suggested recipes are all people from Bethesda, and it should not be surprising that they are more familiar with their own work than they are with that of others.

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007

aniviron posted:

There is Xander Root Soup though, and Xander Root is only from New Vegas. It's also got Nuka Quartz which was introduced in New Vegas even if it was also used in FO4's DLC.

There is no conspiracy to wipe New Vegas away. I would guess instead it's just far more likely that the people who made this cookbook and suggested recipes are all people from Bethesda, and it should not be surprising that they are more familiar with their own work than they are with that of others.
As far as I know Xander Roots first appearance was in Fallout 2.

Wugga
Oct 30, 2006

I BEAT MEAT

Sylphosaurus posted:

As far as I know Xander Roots first appearance was in Fallout 2.

Yup, Xander Root and Broc Flower can be used in FO2 to create healing powder. Or stims, if you have also have an empty syringe and Myron and in your party.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
Say, if you have companion death turned on, can you chow down on your loved ones?

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
All I'm gonna say is, try it out yourself.

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Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary

ApeHawk posted:

All I'm gonna say is, try it out yourself.

:catstare:

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