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Mendrian posted:Well of loving course. I don't pretend to read minds, so I break down most Republican politicians into one of the following categories: Nothing hypothetical about A. Lots of the Tea Party wave were like this.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Given that liberals created cities where massive income inequality is the norm and a huge gulf exists between the rich and poor, I would say that "Republican fucks" would feel right at home compared to rural areas where incomes - and inequality are much lower. the rural areas where everyone is poor as poo poo and addicted to opioids? I'm not sure this is the argument you want to make.
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Another thread is telling me Mayor Tom Wheeler maced a baby. What did the baby know??
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Tibalt posted:I swear to god this is like the seventh page in a row where this post has been made. by my reckoning, we're 12 hours into this topic and living in hell
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Spite posted:the rural areas where everyone is poor as poo poo and addicted to opioids? I'm not sure this is the argument you want to make. this poster is claiming the united states has a serious problem with urban/rural economic divides. this poster also supports the chinese government it's just vacant making GBS threads on america. which i'm all in favor of making GBS threads on america but at least from a more factual basis
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Pellisworth posted:Re: Elizabeth Warren and Blood Quantum Code Switch did an interesting episode about this too: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/02/09/583987261/so-what-exactly-is-blood-quantum Also, Elizabeth Warren should offer to come to the white house and spit on Donald Trump.
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Ague Proof posted:Another thread is telling me Mayor Tom Wheeler maced a baby. The location of the muffin man
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Pellisworth posted:Re: Elizabeth Warren and Blood Quantum Thank you, this is much more of an elegant post then what I was going to write.
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And yet poo poo goes on for the rest of us. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/honduran-migrants-caravan-1.4862378 
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Otteration posted:And yet poo poo goes on for the rest of us. quote:Poor economic prospects are the main reason Hondurans want to leave the Central American country of 9.4 million people, according to a recent survey by the Center for Immigration Studies. Violence was the second most-cited reason. I wonder how they spun this into a justification for grinding all of these migrants into meatloaf for poor native-born Americans.
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So how do you defeat something like that? Ignore it, dismiss it? Joke about it? Is it about a cult of personality? Do you try to go after the base and show how it makes them look foolish supporting Trump and try to separate them? Can you cause Trump to humilate them?
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Spite posted:the rural areas where everyone is poor as poo poo and addicted to opioids? I'm not sure this is the argument you want to make. The rural areas where a bunch of old people crow about Trump while anyone that can leave for real jobs have, maybe even decades ago. Where retirees living in gated cul-de-sacs lord over the people stuck serving them food or running their supermarkets and they act like they are just the most benevolent in all of creation handing out nickles and dollars to the peasants that "earn it".
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I was listening to the radio on the drive home today and they had a story about the President of the US (which is Donald Trump, yes that Donald Trump, for any time travelers from 1985) and what he thinks about the situation with the journalist murdered by a Saudi hit squad in Turkey. And anyway it occurred to me that the president is basically a crazy person who believes in conspiracy theories, and no one should bother asking him what he thinks about anything.
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Gatts posted:So how do you defeat something like that? Ignore it, dismiss it? Joke about it? Is it about a cult of personality? Do you try to go after the base and show how it makes them look foolish supporting Trump and try to separate them? Can you cause Trump to humilate them? do a press release 25-odd months before the election and never ever mention it again except to say that you've already addressed it if directly asked.
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Gatts posted:So how do you defeat something like that? Ignore it, dismiss it? Joke about it? Is it about a cult of personality? Do you try to go after the base and show how it makes them look foolish supporting Trump and try to separate them? Can you cause Trump to humilate them?
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Gatts posted:So how do you defeat something like that? Ignore it, dismiss it? Joke about it? Is it about a cult of personality? Do you try to go after the base and show how it makes them look foolish supporting Trump and try to separate them? Can you cause Trump to humilate them? I don't know. Isn't that the problem with being a liberal candidate? Conservatives can get away with outright hypocrisy because they don't ask much from people besides "don't make government do much." Liberals who get involved in anything that smacks of hypocrisy are handicapped much more because you're more likely to be asking voters for something and that's when they get hung up on anything that lets them off the hook. I'd have taken the genetic test. Put it in my back pocket. Once Trump brought up "Pocahontas" again, I'd have said, "well, I took a test a while ago for personal reasons to find my own roots and they said I had high likelihood of Native American Ancestry just like my grandparents told me. Trump's being stupid and distracting from what people care about," and then just dismiss it from there. I don't think a whole press conference over this stuff packaged in a way that overshadowed the Khasoggi fiasco was the way to go. I'm not in PR. I don't know. I don't really Warren would be a good nominee either though, so maybe I'm not trying hard enough. My hypothetical response is probably poo poo too. EDIT: The stealthy press release others suggested is probably the better call.
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withak posted:Code Switch did an interesting episode about this too: This is an extremely good article everyone should read, thanks for the link. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/02/07/583665568/love-and-blood-quantum-buy-in-or-die-out It makes a good point I didn't really touch on: blood quantum was a deliberate strategy by the US gov't to breed Indians out of existence. Enrolled tribal populations were pretty small to start with, and there were deliberate policy actions to "civilize" and "educate" them. The idea was that the inevitable intermarriage of tribal and non-tribal members would dilute the blood quantum enough that tribal membership would die out or at least not increase. That way the number of enrolled tribal members the US had treaty obligations to wouldn't get "out of control." Anyway I don't think it's a problem if Warren trolls Trump with her test results for a couple days on Twitter but it's not something she should keep bringing up. As this article (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/411521-cherokee-nation-warrens-use-of-dna-test-inappropriate-wrong) puts it: quote:“No native tribe acknowledges DNA testing as a source for citizenship or even claim to native heritage,” said Rebecca Nagle, an indigenous writer, organizer and citizen of the Cherokee Nation. Warren has stated she doesn't really identify with Cherokee heritage other than it being a family story, from her website apparently her parents eloped because their marriage was frowned upon as her mom was of known Cherokee heritage. She also says she's never been a member or sought to become a member of a tribe and it's never impacted hiring or admissions for her. So, if you don't identify with or officially claim Cherokee heritage, stop using a DNA test for political gain please. Rub it in Donnie's nose for a couple days then STOP. Also, Otteration, you have a good idea about contacting Warren's campaign. I'm not going to do that because I'm just a white guy who teaches at a tribal college, but I spoke to my coworkers who teach history, gov't, and other relevant classes and we're going to ask students to write letters as a short assignment.
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The main problem is Trump's people don't care about anything except themselves and their own bullshit, and to be part of something that's "winning." So they're willing to do anything, believe anything, don't care if its not true, as long as they get what they want by hook, crook, and be cruel to anything that isn't them. You can show them truth, and they won't care, they'll outright commit treason to spite liberals or whatever. So how to tackle that?
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Brony Car posted:I wonder how they spun this into a justification for grinding all of these migrants into meatloaf for poor native-born Americans. Why does the spin matter when the poo poo goes on for the rest of us? Fake edit: this thread, never mind.
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Just watched a hell of a senate debate between Martha McSalley and Kyrsten Sinema. The last question was about climate change and McSally said, almost verbatum, "I can't believe this is the last question, we should be talking about the Military!" She then went on a rant about how she was responsible for protecting the A-10 warthog (because THAT is more important than climate change...) and then claimed Sinema encouraged people to join the Taliban and was a traitor? Which is... one hell of a claim to slip in there at the end of a debate. This is the same race responsible for this mailer though, so maybe the hyperbole is expected at this point. https://twitter.com/dannowicki/status/1049745285742645248
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Gatts posted:The main problem is Trump's people don't care about anything except themselves and their own bullshit, and to be part of something that's "winning." So they're willing to do anything, believe anything, don't care if its not true, as long as they get what they want by hook, crook, and be cruel to anything that isn't them. You can show them truth, and they won't care, they'll outright commit treason to spite liberals or whatever. Marginalize, degrade and scatter them.
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Nonsense posted:Senator McSalley 4 terms. Given the number of progressive colleagues and organizers I have seen pledging to never vote for Sinema because of her pivot to the middle, you are absolutely right. There is a green party candidate at 4% polling to boot.
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Gatts posted:The main problem is Trump's people don't care about anything except themselves and their own bullshit, and to be part of something that's "winning." So they're willing to do anything, believe anything, don't care if its not true, as long as they get what they want by hook, crook, and be cruel to anything that isn't them. You can show them truth, and they won't care, they'll outright commit treason to spite liberals or whatever. vote and help get out the vote Trump supporters will be completely unaffected by Warren's DNA test. Imo it's more of a potential "win" for her than it is a loss for Trump because GOP voters don't care. What this (hopefully) does is neatly end the whole dumb Pocahontasgate thing for Warren. Turns out she actually does have some Native ancestry way back! She wasn't lying about her family story. The end. And she can own him a few times on Twitter I guess.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1051951690415525888 Hope and (Climate) Change.
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LegendaryFrog posted:Given the number of progressive colleagues and organizers I have seen pledging to never vote for Sinema because of her pivot to the middle, you are absolutely right. Death to purity voters.
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LegendaryFrog posted:Given the number of progressive colleagues and organizers I have seen pledging to never vote for Sinema because of her pivot to the middle, you are absolutely right. Didn't Sinema go all in on the GOP tax plan with *tweaks*? That seems like it would be campaign suicide all on its lonesome.
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Pellisworth posted:This is an extremely good article everyone should read, thanks for the link. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/02/07/583665568/love-and-blood-quantum-buy-in-or-die-out Another good post, thanks. All I could google atm: https://my.elizabethwarren.com/page/s/contact?source=website-footer Phone numbers and emails are there too. The theory is that campaign contacts respond too citizen feedback as well as congressional ones do. YMMV. Also senate contacts: https://my.elizabethwarren.com/page/s/contact
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LegendaryFrog posted:Just watched a hell of a senate debate between Martha McSalley and Kyrsten Sinema. if this was literally any state other than one entirely made up of elderly retired people so stupid and selfish they prioritize golf course watering and lawns in the desert over county water supplies that'd sure be a problem for her
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Office Pig posted:Didn't Sinema go all in on the GOP tax plan with *tweaks*? That seems like it would be campaign suicide all on its lonesome. Yea she was against it then said 'weeeeell maybe if we tweak it...' It's gonna whip rear end when we lose the chance to win the senate because like three idiots couldn't keep from self-owning at the finish line.
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Office Pig posted:Didn't Sinema go all in on the GOP tax plan with *tweaks*? That seems like it would be campaign suicide all on its lonesome. quote:Congresswoman Kyrsten Sinema today voted against H.R. 1. She released the following statement after the vote:
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Office Pig posted:Didn't Sinema go all in on the GOP tax plan with *tweaks*? That seems like it would be campaign suicide all on its lonesome. Oh yeah, Sinema is a trash candidate (despite conventional wisdom) that is throwing away her entire base vote because of how STRONGLY she pivoted to the middle the moment she stepped foot into congress. I'm from her district, which is one of the most liberal in Arizona (a good chunk of it is students), and yet she has the second most conservative voting record of ANY democrat in the house, because she has been preparing for a Senate or Governor race all along. She is doing a poo poo job at appearing as anything other than a republican with a D next to her name, and I share frustration between both her and "purity voters" that will cost us the senate seat in equal measure.
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twice burned ice posted:Was this a honeypot meant to dox Trump supporters? Because if so, perma the security breach was probably unintentional "leaked" ascribes a little too much agency to them at this time, it was a very dumb data security fuckup
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