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Graphic posted:good luck building a mass movement when you gate it off by requiring a thorough understanding of adorno and foucault you elitist turds hey, i don't think anyone said that! weird!
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yeah well howd that work out for rosa
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THS posted:yeah well howd that work out for rosa
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THS posted:yeah well howd that work out for rosa FUCKQ
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Oct 16, 2018 04:38
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hehe nice one there rosa good work getting killed by the exact people you were warning us about   :smugge:
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Oct 16, 2018 04:41
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DSA loving killed Rosa god drat Im so pissed also drunk but fuckme
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Oct 16, 2018 04:50
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I mean you can let Fred Hampton explain why theory and political education is important if Rosa is too elitist or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffmg6i0lv_k
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Oct 16, 2018 05:04
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ha, and where did UNDERSTANDING THEORY get FRED HAMPTON??!??
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Oct 16, 2018 05:12
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the only theory we should read is stalin because he died a success
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Oct 16, 2018 05:17
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THS posted:the only theory we should read is stalin because he died a success no kidding Foundations of Leninism was a clear and easy read
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Oct 16, 2018 05:51
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poor Fred should’ve honed his blade skills as well
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Oct 16, 2018 06:49
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THS posted:the only theory we should read is stalin because he died a success 
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Oct 16, 2018 06:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFdtI4VN7s
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Oct 16, 2018 07:04
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You don't need to read theory to be a good commie, but you do to agitate/organize correctly and make more good commies. You don't gotta figure everything out on your own, there's so much good assed thoughts out there already, and you can paraphrase them into 2018 language and fukken dropkick someone's false consciousness
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Oct 16, 2018 07:27
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Oct 16, 2018 10:30
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AOC isnt just some random person looking to get active in socialist politics, shes the most visible and influential "socialist" in the US right now. its not reasonable for every single person active in a movement to understand every nuance or detail of the philosophy or tactics behind marxism, but its also not unreasonable to expect the leaders of a movement to at least try to understand as much as they can about their belief system
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Oct 16, 2018 10:48
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i find her statement to be condescending as gently caress
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Oct 16, 2018 10:59
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Prav posted:i find her statement to be condescending as gently caress that too. the people who recruited me to my party and who trained me to be a marxist were all women and people of color, many of whom had no college education. her statement is really the one that's classist since she seems to equate reading books with being bougie as if the nature and purpose of books somehow confounds and eludes working class folks
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Oct 16, 2018 11:13
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i know i don't read the books because they're boring and hard to understand
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Oct 16, 2018 11:19
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I think most people said she wasnt a socialist because https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1033538876370046977 not because she hasnt memorized Capital in full yet.
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Oct 16, 2018 11:27
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I bounced off of What is to be Done rather hard, but The Conquest of Bread was an absolute joy to read. I've also done Foundations of Leninism, as I mentioned, and that one I liked for its straightforwardness and clarity. I've only barely scratched Mao, but Analysis of the Classes in Chinese Society was also an easy read, as was Rocker's Anarcho-Syndicalism. And I'm not saying all this to brag or anything, but I do notice that a lot of the earlier left-wing writers are maybe even easier to read than more modern works. As far as AOC is concerned, I do have to agree with apropos to nothing in that while you might not expect everyone in a socialist movement to have "read a book", I think it's reasonable to expect that someone in a nominal leadership position to at least be able to point to something.
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Oct 16, 2018 11:40
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Oct 16, 2018 12:54
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this whole no reading books thing has gotten really out of hand and someone should be reading the books (just not me)
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Oct 16, 2018 13:51
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jarofpiss posted:this whole no reading books thing has gotten really out of hand and someone should be reading the books (just not me) you loving started it lmao
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Oct 16, 2018 13:52
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People should read books if they can. Someone has to be the guy that reads the books. But if you're a wage slave with kids it's okay if you don't read the books and just understand that capitalists steal your surplus value and oppress you. It's not complicated.
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Oct 16, 2018 13:57
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freckle posted:you loving started it lmao i know but i never meant for EVERYONE
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Oct 16, 2018 14:08
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i had to tolerate years of smug posters chanting Please Work Out no matter what was going on in my life, so here's my spicy take: you do actually need to be reading books! it is good for you to read (some) books in the same way it is good for you to exercise. specifically you need to read nonfiction relevant to whatever causes you believe in so you don't embarrass your comrades out in the wild and you need to read literary fiction written by people whose backgrounds differ from yours to broaden your horizons and train your sense of empathy. and honestly? honestly??? in an age where basically every relevant leftist text is free online, barring some extreme circumstances, i can't say you're not a socialist because at the end of the day the things we do matter the most, but i'm inclined to say you're probably not a very good one. for gently caress's sake, five seconds of googling and i found a free audiobook of the communist manifesto. you should read more than posts, the news, and wikipedia pages! you should not be proud of not reading books! on the other hand i barely work out so do whatever you want
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Oct 16, 2018 14:21
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i train a lot so that post really speaks to me. of course you need theory to be a socialist and i only ever meant you don’t have to get that theory from dusty books about bread and grain. not to say im not morbidly interested in seeing where cargo cult (is that okay to say?) socialism goes
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Oct 16, 2018 14:35
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GorgonLiker posted:i had to tolerate years of smug posters chanting Please Work Out no matter what was going on in my life, so here's my spicy take: 
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Graphic posted:People should read books if they can. Someone has to be the guy that reads the books. But if you're a wage slave with kids it's okay if you don't read the books and just understand that capitalists steal your surplus value and oppress you. It's not complicated. Everyone should read. It’s not some great sacrifice to read a loving book
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Oct 16, 2018 14:43
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jarofpiss posted:i train a lot so that post really speaks to me. literally just go on tumblr and you can see it happening in real time. the way cultural appropriation discourse mutated into a race essentialist, nationalist, segregationist way of viewing the world around you is one of many, many examples of how a leftist project or impulse can turn sour when theory/critical thought are absent
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Oct 16, 2018 14:49
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I'd recommend reading Ho Chi Mihns letters describing how the Chinese trotskyists collaborated with japan
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Oct 16, 2018 14:49
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THS posted:yeah well howd that work out for rosa 
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Oct 16, 2018 14:50
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on the other hand:
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Oct 16, 2018 14:51
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GorgonLiker posted:on the other hand: look at that hgh noggin
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Oct 16, 2018 14:54
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you can't make me read books, but i will read posts
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Oct 16, 2018 14:55
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There's a lot of classic Pravda articals about how the trots collaborate with Franco too, which can be freely found online.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:01
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GorgonLiker posted:on the other hand: without fitlit, we are all doomed to be either dumb or fat
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Oct 16, 2018 15:08
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:There's a lot of classic Pravda articals about how the trots collaborate with Franco too, which can be freely found online. Let's not forget the collaboration with German and Japanese governments
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I would never ever forget that.
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