Sarsapariller posted:

Then I actually played the game, and spent that time following Citizens around. It turns out none of them ever fire their guns or go anywhere that guns can be fired. They buy expensive ships and then cruise the strip at their favorite stations. Suddenly a lot of stuff became clear to me- why nobody seems concerned about space combat, why CIG gets away with increasingly ridiculous lies about the state of certain parts of the game, why anyone would ever buy a "luxury" variant of a ship that costs hundreds more and comes with like, a minibar. A video game spaceship minibar.

EvilMerlin posted:

He's not wrong.

EvilMerlin posted:

Which year? Been quite a few of them with space flight, atmo flight... and yep even some ground stuff...

monkeytek posted:

No he is not right, he is insane, there is no fun literally straining your eyes to the point they hurt trying to play a game.

Regrettable posted:

He's bad but I still think Lazrin was worse.

big nipples big life posted:

No way, Laz meltdowns were hilarious.

Daztek posted:

All the Shooty McPvP guys already quit or refunded in disgust

Beet Goblin posted:

Almost all of our resident shills have had at least one or two redeeming factors. Until now, apparently.

Beet Goblin posted:

Almost all of our resident shills have had at least one or two redeeming factors. Until now, apparently.

Sarsapariller posted:

On a completely different subject, I want to talk for a second about missiles. Early on, missiles were an incredibly important part of the sales pitch. Every combat ship had missiles. There were whole ships based around missiles- the Gladiator, the Retaliator. They actually started a bit of an arms race because the Constellation Phoenix was the first ship that was supposed to come with a point defense turret to shoot down the missiles. The Idris had an entire room and crew position dedicated to anti-ship missiles. Missiles were a critical part of the "Threat" component of any major ship when engaged with fighters, and a major part of what was supposed to make fighters threatening to big ships.

So here we are in the year of our lord 2018 and missiles don't work. Not like, "They are unpopular," I mean they straight do not work. You can't begin to target them 90% of the time. When you do, the targeting is glitchy and inconsistent and you lose locks nearly instantly. If you do manage to get a lock on someone, you have to hold down middle-mouse to fire. Unfortunately this also causes your camera to switch to missile cam, which is incredibly distracting in a heated dog fight. If you power through all of this and actually shoot a missile at someone, you will quickly learn that they basically do nothing. They can't turn fast enough to follow fighters, so they only hit stationary or head-on targets. And I don't know if the damage is too low or they are bugged but I have never seen a missile kill in the PU and only once in Arena Commander. At most they will scorch the paint of a light fighter. This is to say nothing of torpedos, which are even worse. If you do manage to fire one, you will find that it just kind of sticks to the enemy target's hull and then flops around like a playful puppy until it eventually just kind of implodes.

It has been this way since the PU was released and CIG has, to my knowledge, made zero moves to solve the issue. Practically this means that about half of the game's combat ships have always been worthless. They basically gave up on selling missile-based ships, I haven't seen a Retaliator in-game since 2015, and I've never seen a Gladiator. Much more impactful though, very common ships like the Constellation which caries 52 loving missiles are now reduced to using their guns, all the time. Even ships like the brand new Hammerhead, which is supposed to carry 24 of the things, have to rely on their turret gunners.

The reason I'm mentioning this is because they're now talking about balancing flight models and combat. What should arguably be the most effective thing you can do against a given ship doesn't work, and has never worked, and they now think they have enough data to dramatically slow ship speeds and maneuvering in combat. They're going to rebuild the whole combat model taking only gun-to-gun into account, when half the ships in the game were designed as, and sold as, missile platforms with a couple of secondary turrets attached. This is nuts! If missiles were actually working, forcing both ship in a dogfight to go sub-200m/s would basically guarantee that they would be destroyed by a couple missile shots. Instead, they are going to build the whole thing to guarantee that players can get hits in with their WW2 era guns instead.

EvilMerlin posted:

Ahhh yes, this one.

When you like a game that you don't you just gotta be a shill.


Now I get it...

Sarsapariller posted:

Oh, you were asking if there are functioning Star Citizen simpits.

I don't know. I imagine a barbecue grill and your wallet would capture the full experience pretty well

E: this looks nauseating as hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lASg2luzoE

EvilMerlin posted:

Ahhh yes, this one.

When you like a game that you don't you just gotta be a shill.


Now I get it...

EvilMerlin posted:

And its a bug fest, deeply infested by Chinese hackers...

EvilMerlin posted:

Why is it when someone says "well they don't do this" or "you can't have fun with this" as soon as someone posts a image or a video of people doing just that does it turn into the above post?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvNC0zhz4Po


Balls from two different angles.

Beet Goblin posted:

Yeah he is. He's an absolute loving moron and you are too. also you're a nazi. report me binch

EvilMerlin posted:

MarcusSA posted:

That’s nice and all but that’s not a cockpit view.

Sarsapariller posted:

Anyway that's the Star Citizen simpit experience.

Tippis posted:

Why would you build a simpit for something that's not a sim?

Sarsapariller posted:

When you were a kid did you ever pretend you were actually a tiny pilot in your own head and your body was a giant robot? Making whooshing noises and clanging around. Maybe that was just me, after Mechwarrior 2 came out.

Anyway that's the Star Citizen simpit experience.

EvilMerlin posted:

If they didn't have a clue what they did, how/why the hell would they make adjustments to the carrier?

Quavers posted:

After last week's Citizen Con, my new plan for a Star Citizen simpit:

Beet Goblin posted:

When I drive to work I pretend I'm on the bridge of a space carrier, and sometimes I turn my radio down real low so the evil Badguize can't detect us with their space hydrophones.

Anyway I'm a dipshit who built a sim pit for Star Citizen, thanks for listening to my story.

Agony Aunt posted:

I doubt it. But i do remember some members of SDC (Smiling Dog Crew - PvP group in ED for those who don't know) saying they were quitting ED for SC because SC was already a better game and would provide a better PvP experience.... that was like well over a year ago, possibly 2.

I wonder how that is working out for them...

Quavers posted:

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Lord Stimperor posted:

Here is my Star Citizen simpit

iron buns posted: