[canada] I don't need to take lessons on marginalized people. I'm ITALIAN!

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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

James Baud posted:

Many Canadians like to pretend Canadians are different from Americans, but they are generally wrong.

With that preface, here is a bunch of unsourced claims (that likely do have sources somewhere) about Americans' opposition to political correctness from a guy who is doing publicity for a newish book I haven't read on populism, its threat to democracy, and the like.

https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1050031286037958656?s=19

(e: Nevermind, look at that. He gives sources in the Atlantic article that my adblocker filtered for whatever reason)

"political correctness" is literally just a buzzword so all of this is just absolute bullshit lol

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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

harper is scared shitless of corbyn and sanders lol

https://globalnews.ca/news/4541470/stephen-harper-donald-trump-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn/

quote:

Donald Trump doesn�t scare former prime minister Stephen Harper.

And while the bombastic, protectionist American president might make him �uncomfortable,� it�s politicians like Bernie Sanders who Harper says truly alarm him.

�I look at Donald Trump,� he said. �Obviously, there�s things that I�m uncomfortable with but the Bernie Sanders of the world or the Jeremy Corbyns in Britain are the ones that really, really frighten me.�

In an exclusive broadcast interview airing Sunday, the former prime minister joined the West Block�s Mercedes Stephenson in New York City to talk global trade, protectionism, populism and how they tie together in his new book, Right Here, Right Now: Politics and Leadership in the Age of Disruption.

He said his fear is that politicians like Sanders and Corbyn would do �irreversible� damage to global market economies if elected.

�The Donald Trumps of the world, the Nigel Farages of the world � one can disagree with them, especially a conservative like myself,� he said.

�But they are at least trying to fix what they see ails democratic, capitalist, market-oriented societies and my fear is if they don�t have success or if conservatives do not adapt to the political pressures that are driving these movements, my concern is we will have the left-wing version of that, which will be anti-market, which will be socialist or Marxist economics, which I believe would turn us in an irreversible, downturn direction.�

Harper, who resigned as an MP following his party�s 2015 loss to the Liberals, has largely stayed out of the limelight in the years since while starting up a consulting firm, Harper & Associates, which saw him make headlines again last year after a leaked memo to clients suggested the current government was �napping on NAFTA� negotiations.

The deal, now renegotiated and dubbed the USMCA, was a frequent target of Trump in his bid to appeal to American voters who felt they�d gotten the raw end of both that deal and broader global trade agreements that have led to an outsourcing of blue collar manufacturing jobs to places like China.

In addition to the president slapping tariffs worth billions on Chinese goods, he and negotiating parties also agreed to include a provision in the new deal that requires the U.S., Canada and Mexico to give each other three months� notice before they start free trade talks with a �non-market country.�

That�s code for China, which the U.S doesn�t recognize as a market economy.

Conservative MPs have argued that provision essentially makes Canada into a �vassal state.�

But Harper said it could actually help Canada gain a stronger position to fix what he described as the �very serious problem� of a trade imbalance with China.

�It�s certainly a novel chapter. We haven�t seen anything like it before in a trade deal. I think it�s very interesting,� he said.

That imbalance has caused a one-way flow of jobs that has hurt the middle classes, he said, and will continue to do so if not addressed.

Harper said he views those concerns about economic instability as realigning the political spectrum.

�But it�s actually on the centre-left that you see the worst effects,� Harper said, suggesting the Labour Party in Britain has been �taken over by extremists.�

�The Democratic Party is close to that in the United States.�

So who is best-placed to address the concerns fuelling the populist spread?

In Harper�s view, conservatives, both in Canada and abroad.

�I think conservatives are better placed to adapt because I think the fundamentals of what we stand for � the necessity of having a market economy, making that serve, you know, greater public interest, and also our belief in traditional institutions like faith, family, the nation state, nationalism,� he said.

�I think these things allow us � and are less ideological in nature � allow us to adapt.�

# ? Oct 12, 2018 18:34

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

DariusLikewise posted:

"political correctness" is literally just a buzzword so all of this is just absolute bullshit lol

quote:

One obvious question is what people mean by �political correctness.� In the extended interviews and focus groups, participants made clear that they were concerned about their day-to-day ability to express themselves: They worry that a lack of familiarity with a topic, or an unthinking word choice, could lead to serious social sanctions for them. But since the survey question did not define political correctness for respondents, we cannot be sure what, exactly, the 80 percent of Americans who regard it as a problem have in mind.

That's some quality research there Lou.

# ? Oct 12, 2018 18:35

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

DariusLikewise posted:

my concern is we will have the left-wing version of that, which will be anti-market, which will be socialist or Marxist economics, which I believe would turn us in an irreversible, downturn direction.�

as opposed to the currently reversible downturn direction that we're simply not reversing because reasons

# ? Oct 12, 2018 18:38

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

DariusLikewise posted:

"political correctness" is literally just a buzzword so all of this is just absolute bullshit lol

Alternately, the researchers found that only 8% of the population is "woke", so to speak, so he's trying to caution people - soi-disant "his people" - not to overplay their hand by assuming more people are with them than the study suggests. (At least glance at pages 5-15 before dismissing it as some single question about "political correctness" feelies)

# ? Oct 12, 2018 18:43

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

I bet a huge percentage of Americans are super concerned about a "war on christmas" or "antifa violence" and the number varies depending on the specific evening you ask them and whether those items were featured on their favourite cable news stations

# ? Oct 12, 2018 18:44

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

James Baud posted:

Alternately, the researchers found that only 8% of the population is "woke", so to speak, so he's trying to caution people - soi-disant "his people" - not to overplay their hand by assuming more people are with them than the study suggests. (At least glance at pages 5-15 before dismissing it as some single question about "political correctness" feelies)

fun fact, the study does not include even a single instance of the word "woke"

# ? Oct 12, 2018 18:46

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

infernal machines posted:

That's some quality research there Lou.

p. 128 of the full study posted:

On both issues, we find a significant gap between the views of the highly ideological wing
segments, who are most active in public conversation, and those in the Exhausted Majority.
While there may be agreement about the problems with �political correctness,�
this phrase is hard to define.

no poo poo sherlock

maybe you should have defined it then

# ? Oct 12, 2018 19:08

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

infernal machines posted:

fun fact, the study does not include even a single instance of the word "woke"

"Progressive activist", "woke", potato, potato.

Anyway, I can't pretend I've done more than skimming the introduction, that'll come tonight or tomorrow. Thought it might be interesting for other people though so shared it.

(I enjoyed the apparent support for my recent claim that 70% of people aren't wingnuts in the other thread, though I've forgotten why I was getting dogpiled in the first place.)

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James Baud posted:

"Progressive activist", "woke", potato, potato.

soi-disant!

# ? Oct 12, 2018 19:12

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Subjunctive posted:

soi-disant!

The he was Yascha Mounk, the twitter poster / Atlantic article writer / book author.

# ? Oct 12, 2018 19:15

Slim Jim Pickens: Jan 16, 2012

You know, you can be mad about dumb berkley-ites without needing contrive a rational, objective, scientific justification for it. Especially if to get your results, you rely on using a vague, subjective, out-of-date phrase

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

either political correctness is a multi-generational plague that has affected academia and segments of north american population over the course of the last 50 years, from when buckley complained about the GI Bill allowing uncouth soldiers into the university, to the rebelliousness of youth in the 1960s concerning civil rights and anti-war positions, to the 1980s when radicals sought to push institutions to divest from South Africa, to the vague sense of liberal PC consensus that was stifling thought in the 1990s, to the vicious attacks on free speech by woke SJWs today, or it's a useful phrase conservatives use as a short hand to advocate for tradition and continuity in their society and blames a bunch of 18 year olds for society's ills

# ? Oct 14, 2018 16:10

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

By the standards of the 1990s every single poster in this thread, including James Baud, is bleeding heart PC wacko.

Turns out people are afraid of transgressing unknown and ill defined social mores based on their vague concept of a phrase that's been weaponized for expressly that purpose. loving shocking.

# ? Oct 14, 2018 16:18

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Dreylad posted:

either political correctness is a multi-generational plague that has affected academia and segments of north american population over the course of the last 50 years, from when buckley complained about the GI Bill allowing uncouth soldiers into the university, to the rebelliousness of youth in the 1960s concerning civil rights and anti-war positions, to the 1980s when radicals sought to push institutions to divest from South Africa, to the vague sense of liberal PC consensus that was stifling thought in the 1990s, to the vicious attacks on free speech by woke SJWs today, or it's a useful phrase conservatives use as a short hand to advocate for tradition and continuity in their society and blames a bunch of 18 year olds for society's ills

It's actually the former. The idea being that the idea and ideals of equality, anti-racism, and anti-sexism are not being articulated sincerely but are rather part of some conspiratorial project to oppress.

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Suspicious: Apr 30, 2005; You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.

ah, the old "I don't care about (thing), therefore nobody could possibility care about (thing) except as a ruse"

# ? Oct 14, 2018 17:20

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Hand Knit posted:

It's actually the former. The idea being that the idea and ideals of equality, anti-racism, and anti-sexism are not being articulated sincerely but are rather part of some conspiratorial project to oppress.

if you think about it the real oppression is censuring me for wanting to subjugate and dehumanize women and minority groups

also, when you phrase it like that it sounds bad, so that definitely isn't what i want to do

infernal machines has issued a correction as of 17:28 on Oct 14, 2018

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Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Dreylad posted:

either political correctness is a multi-generational plague that has affected academia and segments of north american population over the course of the last 50 years, from when buckley complained about the GI Bill allowing uncouth soldiers into the university, to the rebelliousness of youth in the 1960s concerning civil rights and anti-war positions, to the 1980s when radicals sought to push institutions to divest from South Africa, to the vague sense of liberal PC consensus that was stifling thought in the 1990s, to the vicious attacks on free speech by woke SJWs today, or it's a useful phrase conservatives use as a short hand to advocate for tradition and continuity in their society and blames a bunch of 18 year olds for society's ills

Actually I think you will find that my worthless coddled grandkids going no contact with me after I casually dropped the N bomb at the thanksgiving dinner table is an event of world historic significance and represents the ultimate downfall of western civilization.

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Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Suspicious posted:

ah, the old "I don't care about (thing), therefore nobody could possibility care about (thing) except as a ruse"

It can go a lot of ways. There's also "I have come to my position through reason, so all other beliefs are either pathological or conspiracy," and "since your beliefs are just political conspiracy, my beliefs are entitled to be held on par with yours irrespective of how I articulate or defend them."

infernal machines posted:

if you think about it the real oppression is censuring me for wanting to subjugate and dehumanize women and minority groups

It's only oppression if it deviates from the natural order. If you're some lobster-and-ant-obsessed lunatic, then the government spending its resources to put "them" in "their place" isn't oppressive because it isn't infringing upon the natural order. A project of equality is, however, since it disrupts the natural order of your goony fedora-wearing rear end being intrinsically superior to all women and/or people of colour.

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Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1051510911628967936

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

the PC criticism would be a lot more coherent if it wasn't both a radical upheaval of social norms and decency that threatens to throw society into disarray and a choking moral order that roots out all wrongthink and enforces its hegemony.

one or the other people. just choose one.

# ? Oct 14, 2018 18:56

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Dreylad posted:

the PC criticism would be a lot more coherent if it wasn't both a radical upheaval of social norms and decency that threatens to throw society into disarray and a choking moral order that roots out all wrongthink and enforces its hegemony.

one or the other people. just choose one.

it's perfectly coherent if you're horny for hierarchy, and view equality as the imposition of a sexless grey bureauracy

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Hand Knit posted:

horny for hierarchy

please don't spoil my upcoming book title

# ? Oct 15, 2018 01:19

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

James Baud posted:

Alternately, the researchers found that only 8% of the population is "woke", so to speak, so he's trying to caution people - soi-disant "his people" - not to overplay their hand by assuming more people are with them than the study suggests. (At least glance at pages 5-15 before dismissing it as some single question about "political correctness" feelies)

judging by the notes in the study they sat people down in a room and asked them how they felt about "political correctness" without ever defining what it meant. If you go by the responses they got from the statements they picked to represent each "tribe" everyone of them has a different idea of how "political correctness" is ruining their lives. Its quite literally a bogeyman phrase people are using to complain about change in society.

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Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

# ? Oct 16, 2018 01:34

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

loving savages, wearing their shoes in the house

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Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

# ? Oct 16, 2018 18:49

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

lmao. no poo poo goldy?

my favoutrite part of the #faithformayor fucktards is how absolutely buttchapped they get over being called nazis, and also finding out that their neighbours don't like living next to nazis and will tell them to go gently caress themselves, to their face, when they do things like put up lawn signs.

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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1052279260050788352

:ohdear:

# ? Oct 16, 2018 20:31

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

just rend them some condos and call it a day

$25m more a year for a couple houses, psh

# ? Oct 16, 2018 20:42

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

Breaking: CPC leader living in lavish government house while The Right Honorable Justin Trudeau shares a rundown shack with a women and three young children.

# ? Oct 16, 2018 22:01

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

congratulations to this man

https://twitter.com/zachgoudie/status/1052357465281564672?s=21

# ? Oct 17, 2018 02:28

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

buying pot in the middle of the night after waiting around forever, truly a pioneer

# ? Oct 17, 2018 02:30

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

it�s like a video game midnight release but for weed. the line probably has the same smell

# ? Oct 17, 2018 02:31

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

can abyss

# ? Oct 17, 2018 02:55

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

https://twitter.com/journo_dale/status/1052257399807959040?s=19

He's ticking all the right boxes :shepface:

# ? Oct 17, 2018 03:42

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

Bernier gonna wreck his car and only die cause he wasn't wearing a seatbelt

# ? Oct 17, 2018 03:44

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

when u wake up at 5am to watch mr dressup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z601xTDe51c

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yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

A Typical Goon posted:

Bernier gonna wreck his car and only die cause he wasn't wearing a seatbelt

inshallah

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

my grandparents were featured in an episode of mr dressup in 1973, and I was hoping to get the episode because it'd be cool to see how that show would film a working farm but sadly they destroyed/recorded over their tapes in that era so the episode is lost

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