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BBJoey posted:ScoMo is very interesting to me. This is all armchair analysis, but originally I thought he was a conservative; now I think that just like Turnbull he’s an opportunist with no fixed ideals. However, he lacks Turnbull’s self-assuredness so you see him running off down random policy tangents to try to appeal to as many people as possible - see for example his idea for a second Australia Day for Aboriginal people, or the Israeli embassy, or now this Nuclear thing. Yeah he's always given off fake bravado but now that he's in the hot seat it looks very forced as he tries to pivot to a different image. I think you're right, he is an opportunist and has that dangerous (to himself) kind of ego that says he is his own best manager/minder/publicist. That little boat trophy might sink him, it speaks volumes about his worldview.
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https://twitter.com/CroweDM/status/1052400899455377408 Do they have anyone that isn't a gross dickhead
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Sad Wendigo posted:I just think he knows he's a dead man walking and he's selling every scruple he ever had in an effort to prevent an electoral slaughter next year. The hard right faction don't like him much because he's stabbed them in the back twice; once for his pre-selection and once when he supported Turnbull. Right now he's just trying to stay afloat and is flailing around hoping to find a policy to hold on to.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:41
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So apperently Naaru is deporting another Australian doctor
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bell jar posted:me at this election trying to differentiate the two main parties It's hard being a single issue voter.
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Morrison is just a walking pile of conflicts. - The need to appease the Right faction that got him into the job, vs the need to actually do something the electorate wants, e.g. action on Climate Change - Same as above, but the Business Lobby/ACCI instead of the Right faction - Being able to show up at Hillsong on Sunday morning without getting yelled at vs actually appealing to the majority of Australians - Seeking to appear to the left of Tony Abbott despite being directly guilty of gross crimes against humanity WRT the opening phases of OSB During his first 6 months as treasurer, the dominant feature was the constant floating of sometimes batshit solutions in the media, then their immediate withdrawal by either himself or Turnbull. His idea of consultation is to just spitball poorly-thought out ideas and see which ones are popular. The fact that so many of those solutions were deeply, deeply flawed indicates no real thought or detailed analysis goes into them. There's policy on the run, which is being purely re-active, and then there's Morrison. It goes far beyond just acting re-actively. It's a kind of policy ADD that you won't see outside of the Trump admin.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:49
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JBP posted:It's hard being a single issue voter. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2012/05/ketchup_s_chinese_origins_how_it_evolved_from_fish_sauce_to_today_s_tomato_condiment.html
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Lid posted:http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2012/05/ketchup_s_chinese_origins_how_it_evolved_from_fish_sauce_to_today_s_tomato_condiment.html Is this another Greens chicomm scare story?
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Knorth posted:https://twitter.com/CroweDM/status/1052400899455377408 quote:The government has offended Pacific leaders in the past, with Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton caught on camera joking about rising sea levels after a visit to the region. they even have the video which includes dutton's coloured people time joke that nobody ever mentions 
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:they even have the video which includes dutton's coloured people time joke that nobody ever mentions
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"What I did say was that the Pacific is a very good friend and neighbour to Australia. In fact that's exactly what I said to President Tong last night." loving lol this doesn't sound like liar speak at all. e: loving, she sounds like a middle manager that's become pissed at a work function and is having a crack at some support workers JBP fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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Oct 17, 2018 05:21
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JBP posted:It's hard being a single issue voter. Is there a single issue that they differ on?
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bell jar posted:Is there a single issue that they differ on? idk tax, health, education, transport, internet but those ones arent really important
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JBP posted:idk tax, health, education, transport, internet but those ones arent really important Source? I've tried looking at all of these policies but they're all either identical, a variation on a theme, or a promise to simply roll stuff back
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Oct 17, 2018 05:39
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bell jar posted:Source? I've tried looking at all of these policies but they're all either identical, a variation on a theme, or a promise to simply roll stuff back tax - alp say they will keep low income but gently caress high income breaks health - preserve medicare seems good education - transport - planned national rail investment internet - fttp e: also repealing poo poo things that have been done by the liberal party is good and a different policy seeing as different means not the same
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bell jar posted:Source? I've tried looking at all of these policies but they're all either identical, a variation on a theme, or a promise to simply roll stuff back There's a difference between hard gently caress the poor and anyone else not a cis white man, and moderate steady as she goes. That's not to say that moderate steady as she goes is any good, but JFC, if you can't distinguish between LNP and Labor at all then I don't know what to tell you. Labor's policy base is far closer to the Greens than it is to the LNP.
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The fftp thing needs a source. I don't think it's going to be economically viable to basically do the expensive part again this decade. They're going to need to look into bridging technologies such as G.fast via FTTC or some other method that doesn't basically rack up another 45 billion correcting the coalition's mistake. Sure, stop rolling out FTTN and come up with a remediation plan, but FTTC as a solution isn't the worst. It'll take a long time for gigabit to be obsolete, given the cost of international bandwidth.
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I'm going to vote Greens in Gellibrand because it means I get a Labor government as desired but also remain spiritually clean in the eyes of my social media peers.
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Don Dongington posted:The fftp thing needs a source. I don't think it's going to be economically viable to basically do the expensive part again this decade. They're going to need to look into bridging technologies such as G.fast via FTTC or some other method that doesn't basically rack up another 45 billion correcting the coalition's mistake. Yeah I know. The official position is FTTP but who knows what poo poo they'll have to undo now to get it. The LNP just set up traps for years and years until they get beaten, then all the bombs go off during Labor's run and they are painted as money wasters.
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JBP posted:tax - alp say they will keep low income but gently caress high income breaks Ah okay so yeah more of the same, or wind back the clock. Incrementalism is dumb, both parties are keen on the same neo lib bullshit strategy. There isn't any difference between the two parties philosophically, economically or socially. We're just tricked into thinking that the ALP actually stand for something different, when they clearly don't, and are just waiting for the Libs to lose govt, as opposed to actually winning it. Gonna keep voting Greens 1, ALP Last-1, and LNP Last, but gently caress me it's frustrating having an opposition that isn't actually interested in shifting the Overton window of this country, rather than appearing not to be incompetent (while being loving useless)
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bell jar posted:Ah okay so yeah more of the same, or wind back the clock. Incrementalism is dumb, both parties are keen on the same neo lib bullshit strategy. There isn't any difference between the two parties philosophically, economically or socially. We're just tricked into thinking that the ALP actually stand for something different, when they clearly don't, and are just waiting for the Libs to lose govt, as opposed to actually winning it. Centre is different to right. The ALP aren't tricking people that vote for them, their base is working class or newer money white people. They are doing exactly what it says on the box. "There isn't any difference between the two parties philosophically, economically or socially." I dunno mate, why even want an election then, leave the libs in charge forever since it will be the same, should that be your genuine belief.
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JBP posted:Yeah I know. The official position is FTTP but who knows what poo poo they'll have to undo now to get it. The LNP just set up traps for years and years until they get beaten, then all the bombs go off during Labor's run and they are painted as money wasters. Yeah but as we're seeing in WA, it's not been working out for them because they're all absolutely incompetent ideologues. The Libs and their supporters assumed McGowan would never unfuck the financial mess they left the state in, while also being able to deliver on even half of his election promises, and he's absolutely smashing in new heavy rail services while also getting the budget back into surplus on target. It's astonishing what capable governments can do when they're not spending every waking hours masturbating into a pile of money.
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I mean it's nice that ostensibly the ALP has the support of unions but it's nothing more than a namecheck when you have the official ALP policy be to vote for the TPP as-is rather than actually listen to the unions advice that this fucks over workers. But it's okay, the ALP brand is still pro-union so they can run on that without actually having to propose their own policies, or challenge the policies of the LNP that gently caress workers over.
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JBP posted:Centre is different to right. Wrong, there is no difference, when the Center is "keep things as they are" and what they are is Right, especially when centrism is just a bullshit shield to hide the fact that they think that right wing policies are actually good
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JBP posted:"There isn't any difference between the two parties philosophically, economically or socially." I dunno mate, why even want an election then, leave the libs in charge forever since it will be the same, should that be your genuine belief. Because the Greens exist, and should be in Opposition, and not Labor? Why do you keep thinking on strictly two party terms. There is no point in an opposition party that largely agrees with the incumbent. It's not opposition, it's going along to get along
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bell jar posted:Because the Greens exist, and should be in Opposition, and not Labor? Why do you keep thinking on strictly two party terms Because it's a democracy and saying that the greens are by and large unpopular is being kind. bell jar posted:Wrong, there is no difference, when the Center is "keep things as they are" and what they are is Right, especially when centrism is just a bullshit shield to hide the fact that they think that right wing policies are actually good Maintaining left wing stuff like public medicine is considered centre, but that isn't right wing.
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bell jar posted:Wrong, there is no difference, when the Center is "keep things as they are" and what they are is Right, especially when centrism is just a bullshit shield to hide the fact that they think that right wing policies are actually good You're pretty far off here. While they may not satisfy our collective desire for full communism, now, the ALP are demonstrably better at actual governance of the country, appropriate use of government money, while also actively at least trying to improve the circumstances of the working class, fix education, and deliver useful infrastructure, even if they are miserable at looking after refugees and the indigenous population. Maybe take a breather.
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Don Dongington posted:You're pretty far off here. While they may not satisfy our collective desire for full communism, now, the ALP are demonstrably better at actual governance of the country, appropriate use of government money, while also actively at least trying to improve the circumstances of the working class, fix education, and deliver useful infrastructure, even if they are miserable at looking after refugees and the indigenous population. Citation needed. Talking federal ALP here, not state. There is a huge demand for federal icac because it turns out that actually no, people don't trust the MPs of either party to use money appropriately, and act honestly when carrying on Government. An ALP government cannot be working to improve the circumstances of the working class, fix education, deliver useful infrastructure and support tax breaks for business owners, reductions in penalty rates, and standardised testing for kids via NAPLAN. It's not possible, it's counter intuitive bell jar fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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bell jar posted:Citation needed. Talking federal ALP here, not state. There is a huge demand for federal icac because it turns out that actually no, people don't trust the MPs of either party to use money appropriately, and act honestly when carrying on Government. The last federal Labor government had exceptional credentials when it came to money. Federal ICAC is a no brainer though and should exist.
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bell jar posted:Ah okay so yeah more of the same, or wind back the clock. Incrementalism is dumb, both parties are keen on the same neo lib bullshit strategy. There isn't any difference between the two parties philosophically, economically or socially. We're just tricked into thinking that the ALP actually stand for something different, when they clearly don't, and are just waiting for the Libs to lose govt, as opposed to actually winning it. So when are you setting up your armed vanguard party comrade
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bell jar posted:Gonna keep voting Greens 1, ALP Last-1, and LNP Last, but gently caress me it's frustrating having an opposition that isn't actually interested in shifting the Overton window of this country, rather than appearing not to be incompetent (while being loving useless) I'm glad that you preference the Australian Sex Pests and Reds Under the Beds party 1 and Pauline Hanson's One Nation ahead of ALP, comrade
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Aesculus posted:I'm glad that you preference the Australian Sex Pests and Reds Under the Beds party 1 and Pauline Hanson's One Nation ahead of ALP, comrade I think he lives in one of those areas that only bothers to field weird left instead of weird right parties. Speaking of which Stephen Jolly creeps me out and is like a commie cartoon character or that Seinfeld guy brought to life. JBP fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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ewe2 posted:https://i.imgur.com/3VWZYhh.jpg I want a pork barrel. https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g255060-d2435956-i42877579-Momofuku_Seiobo-Sydney_New_South_Wales.html
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BBJoey posted:So when are you setting up your armed vanguard party comrade As soon as I can find a source of arms tbh Aesculus posted:I'm glad that you preference the Australian Sex Pests and Reds Under the Beds party 1 and Pauline Hanson's One Nation ahead of ALP, comrade unironically me too, hopefully the ALP will get the message that it's anyone but them
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If the ALP had a single actual left policy (off the top of my head, let's say, an overhaul of the bulk billing system to make it more attractive for GPs to offer, along with adding dental to medicare) the number of votes in their favour (including mine) would increase dramatically. But Bill Shorten's ALP isn't interested in anything but the status quo.
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bell jar posted:If the ALP had a single actual left policy (off the top of my head, let's say, an overhaul of the bulk billing system to make it more attractive for GPs to offer, along with adding dental to medicare) the number of votes in their favour (including mine) would increase dramatically. But Bill Shorten's ALP isn't interested in anything but the status quo. Why would this dramatically increase the number of voters moving from the liberal party? It's nonsensical.
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