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Trabisnikof posted:Yeah, its like the toad dick thing. While enjoyable as a bit of Bread and Circus, it didn't have any political or material impact. Oh I don’t think it’s anything else. I just think the idea that “Trump can’t be owned, nothing sticks” is silly. He clearly can be, it’s just that most of the people who try aren’t credible.
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Lightning Knight posted:Oh I don’t think it’s anything else. I just think the idea that “Trump can’t be owned, nothing sticks” is silly. He clearly can be, it’s just that most of the people who try aren’t credible. But if all these owns are politically meaningless, who cares if someone can get one to stick or not?
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Lightning Knight posted:I just think the idea that “Trump can’t be owned, nothing sticks” is silly. The "grab them by the pussy" tape happened a month before the election and yet, he is President. Maybe it's not as silly as you think and we should focus our attention on building a positive message to vote for instead of trying to attempt weak rear end burns.
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Lightning Knight posted:Oh I don’t think it’s anything else. I just think the idea that “Trump can’t be owned, nothing sticks” is silly. He clearly can be, it’s just that most of the people who try aren’t credible. There's something to be said for being "good" at social media and most older politicians are not good at it. Trump is good at it, although he has the advantage of being a rotten person with no set moral beliefs. It's like schoolyard taunting. There's an art to it. And also, Wampalord is right. Focus on promoting yourself and not trying to burn the other side.
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Trabisnikof posted:But if all these owns are politically meaningless, who cares if someone can get one to stick or not? Because I think that the argument that “Trump is untouchable” implicitly puts him in this power position that’s unwarranted. There’s this idea that he can’t be defeated and nothing matters, when the real problem is that so many of his opponents are guilty of things he is and can’t credibly attack him.
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Lightning Knight posted:Because I think that the argument that “Trump is untouchable” implicitly puts him in this power position that’s unwarranted. There’s this idea that he can’t be defeated and nothing matters, when the real problem is that so many of his opponents are guilty of things he is and can’t credibly attack him. Credible attacks don't matter, that's the point. If that worked then Barbara Lee or John Lewis would have been able to easily launch a credible attack (as they're not guilty) and defeated Trump. Politics has never worked on the basis of who makes the most credible argument. Trump won't be defeated by speeches or tweets. Trump will be defeated by political action or at worse, disease.
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You can't get a scandal to stick because his supporters don't care and his party has no integrity. They're getting the policy they want, and unless they finally get punished for it they don't care that the dog whistle is a bullhorn for the next two (please god no) plus years.
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I will concede this argument to you all. Unrelated: https://twitter.com/raniakhalek/status/1052223460188061696?s=21
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What did the Warren team expect to come out of this? "Ha! 1/64! Maybe! Or maybe 1/1024! But it's there baby! Eat poo poo Trump!" >Trump purses lips< "Fake Indian. Pocahontas." >Trump approval rises 2% I like EW but man, this was dumb as gently caress, totally unnecessary, and makes you and your team look like a bunch of nitwit morons. I wonder what the mood at Warren HQ is right now. There's no way to take this back, no way to make it look like anything other than what it was: Punching yourself in the face at the behest of your enemy. Now if you run her against him instead of "her emails" it's "her smoke signals." Great loving job all round, paid consultants. You really showed 'em! Maybe... just maybe... you can't beat a fire with wood? I dunno. Let's keep trying. More wood. Pretty soon someone will own his rear end so bad he'll die in the past and we'll be spared this nightmare! Let's come up with a nickname for him... "Dangerous Donald?" Come on, let's have a huddle session! We'll find that one true Twitter burn any time now that will convince people he's poo poo! >500 more conservative judges confirmed, 13th Amendment repealed, oceans boil, humanity dies< One last, croaking voice from the ashes: "What... about... coff... 'Deadly Donald?' That will... coff... coff... resonate..."
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So what's to stop the voters from passing the same thing again? I mean after voting the city council out of course.
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Zil posted:So what's to stop the voters from passing the same thing again? I mean after voting the city council out of course. My conspiracy theory on those ballot initiatives is that they are goodies that the democratic base (unions, nonprofits, party appendages) dangles like a shiny bauble so voters come to the polls. They certainly don't care about their duly elected representatives. A miscalculation in 2016 was the democrat base thinking that the election was a lock and not offering any goodies. This year alone in Missouri they are getting 2 referenda to legalize pot, a minimum wage increase, and an initiative to ban lobbyist gifts and lower campaign contribution ceilings. Basically, voters won't be offered the same thing again. It was just a gimmick to get them to the polls.
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Ezra Klein did a great job of summarizing a lot of the systemic issues we're staring down the barrel of right now.
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Zil posted:So what's to stop the voters from passing the same thing again? I mean after voting the city council out of course. To get a voter proposition on the ballot in DC, you need to gather signatures from 5% of the registered voters in each ward of the city. This means having a fair number of people spending their day going door-to-door gathering signatures in an organized and coordinated effort - which, in most cases, means spending money. Doing it again requires blowing even more electoral resources and energy on stuff that's already been passed once.
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The restaurant industry mobilised huge numbers of workers to go to council meetings and beg that this not be approved because it would be a pay cut for them. I assume by implying or outright saying that no one will tip anymore which is a straight-up lie. But after the vote, restaurants ratcheted up the pressure on the council really really hard and almost no one showed up to argue in favor of the the measure that was already approved by the majority of the city. It's classic local politics hardball with lots of dishonesty and misleading info behind the scenes, because restaurants desperately don't want to be on the hook for fair compensation. Zil posted:So what's to stop the voters from passing the same thing again? I mean after voting the city council out of course. The DC council is incredibly uncompetetive. The primaries get no attention and the Democrat on the ticket wins in pretty much every ward. I'd bet not a single person running again loses their seat over this.
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How dare trump even think of grabbing women by the p word Because no male on this earth has ever said something to their boys lile "yo dude she sucked my poo poo from the back shes an ANIMAL BRO"
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LeoMarr posted:How dare trump even think of grabbing women by the p word Sir, this is a Wendy's
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LeoMarr posted:How dare trump even think of grabbing women by the p word Not sure if this is serious or not, but you realize the difference between them, right?
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Not sure if this is serious or not, but you realize the difference between them, right? Do not talk to the fascist like they're people.
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Thanatosian posted:Ezra Klein did a great job of summarizing a lot of the systemic issues we're staring down the barrel of right now.
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Details from the Ellison divorce records were reported in the media. No evidence of abuse from Keith, but apparently those records allege that he, himself, was a victim of physical abuse. They really should have kept those records sealed. 
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Pretty sure people still tip in states (like California) that don't have tipped wages. This is ridiculous.
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King of Solomon posted:Details from the Ellison divorce records were reported in the media. No evidence of abuse from Keith, but apparently those records allege that he, himself, was a victim of physical abuse. They really should have kept those records sealed. As a guy who was also in the receiving end of spousal abuse I can understand why this would seem embarrassing.
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Lambert posted:Pretty sure people still tip in states (like California) that don't have tipped wages. This is ridiculous. Yeah, they do. It was a naked money grab by the industry
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King of Solomon posted:Details from the Ellison divorce records were reported in the media. No evidence of abuse from Keith, but apparently those records allege that he, himself, was a victim of physical abuse. They really should have kept those records sealed.
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King of Solomon posted:Details from the Ellison divorce records were reported in the media. No evidence of abuse from Keith, but apparently those records allege that he, himself, was a victim of physical abuse. They really should have kept those records sealed. I still feel very conflicted about this. IDK. Did he say he wasn't seeking reelection?
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kidkissinger posted:I still feel very conflicted about this. IDK. He’s running for Minnesota AG last I checked.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/10/trump-changes-terminal-dues-and-epacket-rates/573337/ Trump is trashing established rules surrounding package shipping to try and go after Chinese and other international sellers in the US. It seems like a wash; bad for international relations, minor benefits to small businesses, a big hand out to Amazon and bad for consumers.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:One big systemic issue is the tendency of Democrats and leftists to ascribe their political failures to systemic issues, as if this lame excuse means they can shirk responsibility. Yes, there are problems with our democratic institutions and system of government; no, that does not excuse your total failure to present your voters with a worthwhile ideological platform and to act on an attractive, clearly articulated governing agenda.  . They're garbage.
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Thanatosian posted:Oh, Democrats are loving awful, and a lot of this is their fault, too. They stood out of the way and let all this happen in the name of Eh, even decorum is giving them too much credit I'm not willing to give them. In their deepest, heart of hearts they knew what was going on when the sold out organized labor for a buck and told the middle class "go gently caress yourself, I have to chase those billionaire donor dollars".
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Lightning Knight posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/10/trump-changes-terminal-dues-and-epacket-rates/573337/ Probably good for US businesses who can't even give their stuff away because shipping it domestically costs more than the total price from Asia. It's been a source of conflict for quite a while, specifically from small US webshops who have been asking for the international rate to be at least as much as the domestic rate.
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Yeah Trump isn't going to deliberately do anything that would help Amazon. In other news, WaPo reports that the White House is working with the House of Saud to come up with an explanation that doesn't implicate MBS, so the next few days should be interesting. I don't think its possible to spin this in a way that even the Republicans in Congress will be willing to hide behind, not based on the rhetoric we've seen so far.
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kidkissinger posted:I still feel very conflicted about this. IDK. While it hasn't been updated for the divorce records, this write-up that I saw posted in another thread is a pretty good summary of the situation. It's a really awkward situation, but it actually does look like Monahan is lying.
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King of Solomon posted:While it hasn't been updated for the divorce records, this write-up that I saw posted in another thread is a pretty good summary of the situation. It's a really awkward situation, but it actually does look like Monahan is lying. This is pretty wild tbh. I really, really want to believe that Keith Ellison is innocent and not bad but I also am wary. edit: there are different levels of "not bad." quote:I am convinced, for what it’s worth, that Keith Ellison is a terrible boyfriend and that his personal life is an absolute dumpster fire. lmao Edit 2: holy poo poo quote:The other bit that came out this week is that Karen Monahan’s lawyer is a guy named Andrew Parker — formerly the boss of Doug Wardlow. Doug Wardlaw is Ellison's opponent for AG. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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loving  at that letter she sent to Keith's current girlfriend.
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Lightning Knight posted:Doug Wardlaw is Ellison's opponent for AG. 'GOP operative' indeed.
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Office Pig posted:'GOP operative' indeed. I suspect that it's like Juanita Brodderick, i.e. she's not necessarily a Republican and (perceives herself to) has some kind of legitimate grievance but is being used as a tool by Republicans. Unlike Juanita Brodderick, I think Monahan is a lot less credible at this point.
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