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Epic High Five posted:I'm not watching this but did they ask said regretful voter how they plan on voting in 2018, or how they'd vote in 2020 based on theoretical matchups? they're all actually scared of trump, but i get the impression they'd all happily vote for a rubio or a jeb if given the option i recommend watching the dude @ 2:25 where they salt his wound bc he's a dumbshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-J2Z0iqHIs&t=145s
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1052949129184337920 Total soy boy
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Epic High Five posted:Well that's good then, and an object lesson in why Pence is more dangerous than Trump, especially now that dumbass centrists have a positive view of Dubbya Centrists pretended to dislike Dubya and were just condescending to have been convinced that torture was bad because people reacted so poorly to Abu Gharib. Just like how centrists pretended to be convinced that segregation was bad, but said that desegregation was going too far.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:they're all actually scared of trump, but i get the impression they'd all happily vote for a rubio or a jeb if given the option idk, "i am making my first political donations of my life, to democrats" and "i've been registered independent for years but i'm canvassing for democrats this cycle" seem like stronger sentiment than "well he's just a bad republican"
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raminasi posted:idk, "i am making my first political donations of my life, to democrats" and "i've been registered independent for years but i'm canvassing for democrats this cycle" seem like stronger sentiment than "well he's just a bad republican" they are, but for now they still sound like "never trump" republicans, who do call for dems to win the midterms, as a rebuke to trump that will bring the GOP back to "true conservatism" . but you never know, maybe they will acknowledge the left has some reasonable arguments now that they've left the cult
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raminasi posted:idk, "i am making my first political donations of my life, to democrats" and "i've been registered independent for years but i'm canvassing for democrats this cycle" seem like stronger sentiment than "well he's just a bad republican" i'll wait and see which democrats they're actually supporting before i pat them on the back
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I completely shut down and walk away from people who say the word bipartisanship to me in discussions.
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As much as folks rightly pillory the idea of the centrist Republican who can be persuaded to vote Democrat, there's a shocking number of voters that are completely without political ideology. That isn't to say that they always vote, though in places with high voter turnout, they sometimes do vote in every election, just that they aren't looking at where a politician stands on issues, then comparing that to their own internal politics. They're voting on a very instinctual level about who they trust more, or who they think will be less likely to screw them over. Most of these folks call themselves independents but reliably vote for one party or the other, when they do vote. These folks sound like they're firmly in that camp. They're Republicans who vote that way for a variety of non-ideological reasons, and Trump is blowing that goodwill, built up over decades. Whether or not that holds beyond this one election remains to be seen. Doubt it, but I can hope.
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Siljmonster posted:I completely shut down and walk away from people who say the word bipartisanship to me in discussions. easiest that way, they need more time to radicalize
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Siljmonster posted:I completely shut down and walk away from people who say the word bipartisanship to me in discussions. #walkaway
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I would like a return to bipartisan politics. I also recognize that this means the political right in this country must be destroyed.
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Bipartisanship in America is going to have to be like friendly relations with Germany about halfway through the last century. Something has to be destroyed before diplomatic relations can be renewed.
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Azathoth posted:As much as folks rightly pillory the idea of the centrist Republican who can be persuaded to vote Democrat, there's a shocking number of voters that are completely without political ideology.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:obligatory link to that piece by Chris Hayes about undecided voters in 2004 and how they're actually just dumb as loving poo poo it's a good read, but also kinda obvious if you pay attention to the kinds of poo poo these people say when they get to express their opinions in a public forum. even in that CNN trumpgret segment i just posted, one of them said she is disappointed in trump b/c when she voted for him she thought he had "values" and now she sees he doesn't. i mean, she's not a hardcore CHUD-- those guys still love his hosed up values. i don't know really how to interpret that as anything besides admitting that she wasn't paying any attention before voting what's really mind-blowing is that people like her are still more politically engaged than the 40% of eligible voters that just don't vote. dems and gop bitterly polarized, every bill passed is a huge slog, and meanwhile if abstaining were a political party it'd win every major election
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:it's a good read, but also kinda obvious if you pay attention to the kinds of poo poo these people say when they get to express their opinions in a public forum. even in that CNN trumpgret segment i just posted, one of them said she is disappointed in trump b/c when she voted for him she thought he had "values" and now she sees he doesn't. i mean, she's not a hardcore CHUD-- those guys still love his hosed up values. i don't know really how to interpret that as anything besides admitting that she wasn't paying any attention before voting when was the last time a president actually pushed for something that helps anyone that makes equal to or less than the poverty line in a meaningful way? LBJ? not sure if Obamacare counts if you can't afford health insurance to begin with edit: i guess you can point the Nixon creating the EPA but the poorest americans live closest to polluters so...
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If "none of the above" was an option on American ballots, it would win ~90% of elections.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If "none of the above" was an option on American ballots, it would win ~90% of elections. if your brain is real powerful, you could argue the constant swing between dems & the GOP we take as political orthodoxy as people not getting anything that they want from either party and making the only other choice they're presented with 
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Business Gorillas posted:when was the last time a president actually pushed for something that helps anyone that makes equal to or less than the poverty line in a meaningful way? LBJ? Medicaid expansion would have counted if not tied to the assumption of state governments being made of human beings.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:it's a good read, but also kinda obvious if you pay attention to the kinds of poo poo these people say when they get to express their opinions in a public forum. even in that CNN trumpgret segment i just posted, one of them said she is disappointed in trump b/c when she voted for him she thought he had "values" and now she sees he doesn't. i mean, she's not a hardcore CHUD-- those guys still love his hosed up values. i don't know really how to interpret that as anything besides admitting that she wasn't paying any attention before voting I remember one exchange from a few cycles ago: "What are you hoping to hear from the candidates tonight" "I'm very concerned about health care, I'd like to see them discuss health care" *debate somehow features Obama and McCain clearly laying out their very different visions for health care policy* "I was very disappointed that they never really talked about health care...no, I'm still making up my mind" They're just morons play-acting like they would imagine a Serious Thoughtful Person would behave. It's also why political ads become incredibly broad and stupid and simple in the last two weeks of a campaign - the only people left who haven't made their decision are either almost completely un-engaged, or dumber than poo poo (or both!) so the ads degrade to pure emotional appeals. OTHER GUY BAD (grainy black and white headshot flips back and forth while ominous music plays), ME GOOD (color, smiles, American flag flapping in the bright sun, happy families, cheerful music)
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ken bone thinks he's being so clever by not announcing who he voted for
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Business Gorillas posted:when was the last time a president actually pushed for something that helps anyone that makes equal to or less than the poverty line in a meaningful way? LBJ? - obamacare doesn't count bc if you're below the poverty line u had medicaid already - if u make slightly above the poverty line the aca expanded free medicaid to you, but then the cons on the supreme court pulled some bullshit out of their rear end to decide states should be allowed to opt out of that expansion, so it only helps you in non-chud states anyway im aware of voter apathy from the poor, but the other demographic that doesn't vote much is young adults. and since income tends to increase with age id be curious to see a breakdown of voting rates by both age and income to see which is the biggest factor. anyone seen something like that?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:ken bone thinks he's being so clever by not announcing who he voted for we all know he voted bowsette
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I feel like this fits here https://twitter.com/CharelsCD/status/1053301750269018112
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Grassy Knowles posted:we all know he voted bowsette bowsette pregnant with sonic
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mono posted:I feel like this fits here Don't worry Charles, Trump is working hard to personally kill you and scores of other people, too. Enjoy!
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mono posted:ASSISTED SUICIDE ASAP Trump 2020 campaign slogan.
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in the year 2000 when i was in middle school i couldnt remember which one of al gore and george bush was the democrat and which one was the republican and also what the difference was and i imagine being an undecided voter is a lot like that
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:- obamacare doesn't count bc if you're below the poverty line u had medicaid already Maybe in California or other decent states, if you were in a Republican state get hosed (also the status quo today). States had a lot more control over who got to be on Medicaid, it's one of the reasons conservatives hate the expansion so much because they have to get waivers and beg permission from DHHS before dicking with people
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:anyway im aware of voter apathy from the poor, but the other demographic that doesn't vote much is young adults. and since income tends to increase with age id be curious to see a breakdown of voting rates by both age and income to see which is the biggest factor. anyone seen something like that? Thanks to the student loan crisis every president has shrugged at for the past 20 years, these two groups are no longer mutually exclusive
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Business Gorillas posted:Thanks to the student loan crisis every president has shrugged at for the past 20 years, these two groups are no longer mutually exclusive lol "shrugged at" the vice president is the architect of making this a permanent crisis
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Stink Billyums posted:Trump 2020 campaign slogan. also my next username
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Shear Modulus posted:it's basicslly what the perfect chud honeypot would be. chuds ars uniformly unsavvy enough to type all their credit card and bank information into a shady site run off a belarussian server if some scammer lures them right and also horny and emasculasted enough that the lure of a woman who isnt disgusted ay them is like blood to a shark and also theyre dumb as balls enough to think that those people actually exist This just made me wonder what percentage of internet scam victims are chuds. I feel like those old email scams probably ravaged through them in the 90s, the dating bots now are probably living well off them, and not to mention all the gold poo poo they run on Fox.
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the old adage is that it's impossible to con an honest man so really the question is whether chuds are greedier than other flavors of old
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https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1053320208692269056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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A Fancy Hat posted:Don't worry Charles, Trump is working hard to personally kill you and scores of other people, too. Enjoy! that guy is seriously having a bad day https://mobile.twitter.com/CharelsCD/status/1053364124615290880
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Business Gorillas posted:Thanks to the student loan crisis every president has shrugged at for the past 20 years, these two groups are no longer mutually exclusive yea, that's why im interested in a breakdown by both age and income together middle aged parents who have been living below the poverty line their whole life probably have pretty different policy preferences from a 20yo college student taking loans whose income is poverty level while in school. or even from a 22yo in a crappy entry level job who expects to get raises and promotions in the future (regardless of whether the expectations are realistic or not)
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