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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

bring back old gbs posted:

yeh we want spider guts vido

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx8TcGrCOSI

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mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

That doesn't even make sense either, you just need like one spider, and it can even be a dead one. That poo poo is just crush porn.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
what? I think this dude can probably accomplish what he's explaining. I mean he bought like 6 black widows and he did buy dead ones but probably because he wants backups just in case he accidentally trips and knocks all the silk yeasts down the drain or something

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

SniperWoreConverse posted:

what? I think this dude can probably accomplish what he's explaining. I mean he bought like 6 black widows and he did buy dead ones but probably because he wants backups just in case he accidentally trips and knocks all the silk yeasts down the drain or something

He can't, and if you really think he can, then do I have a deal for you! It's this type of oil that will cure arthritis, eczema, and warts! PM me with your credit card for a sample!

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
idk he said plasmid an enzyme a bunch of times he seems like he knows what's up

Phobos Anomaly
Jul 23, 2018
Most boring derail ever.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

SniperWoreConverse posted:

what? I think this dude can probably accomplish what he's explaining. I mean he bought like 6 black widows and he did buy dead ones but probably because he wants backups just in case he accidentally trips and knocks all the silk yeasts down the drain or something

i agree, he also had the black kind of scientist gloves not the standard white kind a scrub tier would buy

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
If he had only the blue ones I'd deff be on the fence

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Phobos Anomaly posted:

Most boring derail ever.

First, turn on your monitor

Then, don't sign your posts

Then, gently caress off or post content

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017

mycomancy posted:

Yup. Also, yeast are fungi, not bacteria. :eng101:

They make alcohol of course they’re fun guys :haw:

Phobos Anomaly
Jul 23, 2018

The Bloop posted:

First, turn on your monitor

Then, don't sign your posts

Then, gently caress off or post content

So who pissed in your cheerios today?

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


SniperWoreConverse posted:


The difference between this and the CRISPR one, other than one is frogs and one is bacteria, is that iirc CRISPR forces the gene to be transmitted and prevents it from leaving the genome normally. Except I'm not sure how it works with complex creatures, if the gene doesn't get to the reproductive system it's not going to continue on.


The engineered CRISPR (or rather the cas9 protein but everyone just calls the whole system CRISPR because it sounds rad) that everyone uses takes a short piece of rna called the guide rna, matches that up with the DNA sequence, and cuts the DNA. If you give it some extra DNA with sequences matching the area around the cut site, the cell can incorporate the foreign DNA into its own genome when it repairs the cut.

More complex organisms have many more cells to transform, and it is more difficult to successfully transform them. I'm not sure what kind of efficiencies people are getting but I'm sure it varies greatly depending on the procedure used.

If you know how restriction enzymes work for gene editing it's basically the same thing, but CRISPR can be programmed to recognize any sequence you provide rather than being limited to one particular recognition sequence.

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

When I internalized my mom was gonna die from cancer. I was working as a security guard at the time so it wasn't ideal.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

If you didn't enjoy the little derail about crushing spiders and putting their milk in yeast I feel nothing but contempt for you.

HugeGrossBurrito
Mar 20, 2018

Grevling posted:

If you didn't enjoy the little derail about crushing spiders and putting their milk in yeast I feel nothing but contempt for you.

In a thread full of lengthy political derails and slap fights crushed spider milk yeast is the line in the sand.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Yeah I don't know poo poo I basically heard a podcast where someone used the term gene drive and they acted like you could force an organism to accept alterations for all subsequent generations even if there's pretty strong selection pressure against it. Like the new genes are driven in permanently and will spread to the entire population. So it sounds like probably crisper is part of that but not that.

I think there was a part where a dude realized this could be used to make all mosquitoes extinct somehow? and then he was like badass no more dengue but then he was like holy poo poo terrifying ecological consequences. It made sense the way they explained it but I honestly don't remember.

This is why we need to start the GBS Institute of Goonalogical Sciences so we can know what the gently caress and as a positive side effect rebuild Lowtax spine by injecting crushed up crabs and tree bark into mice from the pet store.

Still the "discover new antibiotics in the the comfort of your own home" this seems extremely capitalism.png to me.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


CRISPR is one way of making gene drives work but they can use basically any gene editing technique to introduce them. They work by introducing a suite of genes including the nuclease (ie cas9 or whatever else), the guide sequence, and whatever gene you're inserting, and making that whole deal a part of the native chromosome. Then the cell will use one chromosome as a template to copy that poo poo over to the other, and it'll do this every generation, so each daughter cell gets forcefully made homozygous.

Perhaps we could harness this technology to save the frogs from homosexuality...

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Genetic engineering is not at that kind of stage yet. Maybe when we figure out artificial viruses to do our gene editing and not painstaking repeated laboratory procedures

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


modified viruses are already one of the methods used to transform cells lol. adenoviruses mostly but maybe also lentiviruses?

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Phobos Anomaly posted:

So who pissed in your cheerios today?

No one at all and I'm really depressed about it and lonely okay?

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Tastykake posted:

modified viruses are already one of the methods used to transform cells lol. adenoviruses mostly but maybe also lentiviruses?

Im aware but we aren't quite at the runaway environmental disaster stage

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Larry Parrish posted:

Im aware but we aren't quite at the runaway environmental disaster stage

It likely won't ever get to that point, using nucleases invaribly results in a fitness defect, either from the DNA cutting, the expression of Cas9, or some unforeseen effect from the edit being installed. Natural organisms will just outcompete the edited ones...well, usually.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


mycomancy posted:

It likely won't ever get to that point, using nucleases invaribly results in a fitness defect, either from the DNA cutting, the expression of Cas9, or some unforeseen effect from the edit being installed. Natural organisms will just outcompete the edited ones...well, usually.

life... finds a way

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Yeah I don't know poo poo I basically heard a podcast where someone used the term gene drive and they acted like you could force an organism to accept alterations for all subsequent generations even if there's pretty strong selection pressure against it. Like the new genes are driven in permanently and will spread to the entire population. So it sounds like probably crisper is part of that but not that.

I think there was a part where a dude realized this could be used to make all mosquitoes extinct somehow? and then he was like badass no more dengue but then he was like holy poo poo terrifying ecological consequences. It made sense the way they explained it but I honestly don't remember.

This is why we need to start the GBS Institute of Goonalogical Sciences so we can know what the gently caress and as a positive side effect rebuild Lowtax spine by injecting crushed up crabs and tree bark into mice from the pet store.

Still the "discover new antibiotics in the the comfort of your own home" this seems extremely capitalism.png to me.

Mosquitos and stuff are interesting - there's poo poo loads of mosquitos that occupy the same ecological niche, but only Anopheles asgyptii carries malaria so you can theoretically do some horrible gene thing to wipe out just one species without collapsing the entire thing.

It's still kind of hairy, and gives me the cold sweats.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Mosquitos and stuff are interesting - there's poo poo loads of mosquitos that occupy the same ecological niche, but only Anopheles asgyptii carries malaria so you can theoretically do some horrible gene thing to wipe out just one species without collapsing the entire thing.

It's still kind of hairy, and gives me the cold sweats.

Worth it IMO. We are already hosed for a dozen other reasons. Giving 2nd and 3rd world countries a break from Malaria would be a big help.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

MRC48B posted:

Worth it IMO. We are already hosed for a dozen other reasons. Giving 2nd and 3rd world countries a break from Malaria would be a big help.

Yeah, knocking out malaria would be a phenomenal thing.

Is it malaria or trypanosomes where the host only mates once in life? Can't remember my insects. So you can release a bunch of sterile males and it implodes the vector population. That always felt a lot less likely to have unforseen consequences

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
"Hey guys let's extinct an animal that may or may not cause global ecological collapse, whaddyathink?"

Lol

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Outrail posted:

"Hey guys let's extinct an animal that may or may not cause global ecological collapse, whaddyathink?"

Lol

You DO realize we're talking about a single species of mosquito, right?

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Mosquitos and stuff are interesting - there's poo poo loads of mosquitos that occupy the same ecological niche, but only Anopheles asgyptii carries malaria so you can theoretically do some horrible gene thing to wipe out just one species without collapsing the entire thing.

It's still kind of hairy, and gives me the cold sweats.

Apparently it is also pretty invasive. Fate is sealed, once I release The Death Gene (FKDfrvr-2) that I carefully computed and then grew in an old tuna can the world will be free from this plague.

Another fun gene thing that is a little bit capitalism is some pet store in Germany kept all their crayfish in a big vat, and the different species hosed each other until life found a way and there's now a parthenogenic ultra hybrid clone that asexually lays female eggs and has a complete functional life cycle.

And it broke out and now it's spread all over the fuckin place completely out of control.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Beware the deadly marmorkrebs

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
It's okay we're gonna extinct a whole lot more than just one species.

Admiral Bosch
Apr 19, 2007
Who is Admiral Aken Bosch, and what is that old scoundrel up to?

Shima Honnou posted:

It's okay we're gonna extinct a whole lot more than just one species.

The Duchess Smackarse
May 8, 2012

by Lowtax
Be sure to print your extinction bingo cards before the 2020 election

bag em and tag em
Nov 4, 2008
lmao take a quick look at all the horrible poo poo humanity is doing to the global ecosystem and then ask yourself if anyone is gonna go to bat for goddamn mosquitos

Scary!
Oct 22, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
The acronym CRISPR always makes me hungry for raw baby carrots and that’s extremely not cool

FeculentWizardTits
Aug 31, 2001

instead of wiping out mosquitoes why don't we just cross humans with eels so we emit an electric field that kills any insects that come into contact with us. ever see an eel with a mosquito bite? yeah, didn't think so. dumb idiot science dorks

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Communist Walrus posted:

instead of wiping out mosquitoes why don't we just cross humans with eels so we emit an electric field that kills any insects that come into contact with us. ever see an eel with a mosquito bite? yeah, didn't think so. dumb idiot science dorks

:hmmyes: this will also help curb our reliance on fossil fuels

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
:rip: cybernetics though, random electric zaps would fry your poo poo p. quick

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Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost

Lambert posted:

It's a great thing balloon manufacturers were lobbying the government to keep selling off the national helium reserve.

I work in biopharma packaging and everyone wants leak testing to make sure there are no holes bigger than a handful of of microns. I'm struggling to convince them that extruded film doesn't have pinholes and any manufacturing defects will be big enough to detect using other methods but it's difficult.

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