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You know, I appreciate wildcards. It would suck to be the team winning 105 games, but stuck behind a 115 win Padres in the division while the other division winner gets to the LCS with 95.Eric the Mauve posted:No extension for Lewis, look to trade him. 
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I feel bad for you kids who have no idea what pennant races were like. 
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I think we should try to buy out Lewis' arb years but not extend him beyond that
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The division series are fine, what I really find moronic is the 1-game playoff to decide the wild card. A team can end the season multiple games up on the other WC team, lose one pissing game, and be done. I realise that they don't want the playoffs to stretch into December, but there has to be a better way than that. Then again, what the gently caress do I know? I still wish that they would shorten the season to 144 games or so to give the players more rest and/or increase the active roster size to 28-30.
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JustJeff88 posted:there has to be a better way than that. the better way is "git gud" In the past you didn't even make the playoffs if you didn't win your division. The '87 Twins won the World Series despite having a worse record than three teams in the AL East that missed the playoffs entirely. The current Wild Card gives teams a chance and adds another race for the fans to follow at the end of the season. Plus one game playoffs own.
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JustJeff88 posted:Then again, what the gently caress do I know? I still wish that they would shorten the season to 144 games or so to give the players more rest and/or increase the active roster size to 28-30. Yep, the thing baseball needs is definitely an extra 3-5 relief pitchers per team
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Here's my crazy idea for realignment: AL East: Baltimore Boston Yankees Toronto AL North Chicago WS Cleveland Minnesota Detroit AL West: LAA Oakland Seattle Kansas City AL South: Tampa Bay Houston San Antonio Texas NL East Atlanta Philly Mets Washington NL North Chicago Cubs Cincinnati Pittsburgh Milwaukee NL West San Diego Los Angeles San Francisco Colorado NL South Jacksonville Miami St Louis Arizona I like this a lot because it fucks over the Best Fans in Baseball. If we want to be nicer to the Cards, move them to the North, Pittsburgh to the East, and Washington to the South. For playoffs, it is basically like the NFL. 4 division winners and 2 wild cards (two best records in each league), seeded 1-4 (division winners), and 5-6 (wild cards) #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5 in the wild card round. Call it...a 3 game series. #1 plays winner of 3 vs 6, #2 plays winner of 4 vs 5 in 5 game divisional series. Divisional series winners play 7 game LCS. Also...Interleague play? y/n? As for Royce Lewis, his rear end only wants an 8+ year deal at 35m plus a year. Do we ride him until his last year of arbitration, or deal him this season?
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I can't think of any AL alignment that doesn't screw over whoever ends up in the West but is east of the Rockies. Why loving San Antonio but not, like, Portland? Or El Paso? Stupid. As for Lewis, keep him this year and shop him in the offseason for prospects and whatever hole we'll need to fill (Probably SS, of course.)
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How would the game handle contraction, everyone in the dying team becomes a free agent or they're put in a draft? Actually I forget how it worked irl.
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Aping the NFL's alignment is the absolute worst loving idea  bewbies posted:As for Royce Lewis, his rear end only wants an 8+ year deal at 35m plus a year. Do we ride him until his last year of arbitration, or deal him this season? Depends what we're offered for him.
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If you haven't done it, give the River Sharks and Minutemen some cool logos instead of the generic OOTP stuff.  Uniforms and caps below. Hex codes for primary and secondary color in the filename too. https://imgur.com/a/UQsqbaG
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My vote on realignment is 2 divisions of 8 teams in each league. 6 teams make the playoffs in each like in football. Division winners get the "bye". Make the wild card games either 1 or 3 game series.
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i hate the idea of 8 4-team divisions because so many divisions will just have 4 lovely teams - the only way to avoid it would be having teams play a large chunk of their schedule against just 3 teams, which i think would get old and wouldn't make the teams better, it'd just make their records look better. 8 team divisions seem like they've worked best in baseball history*, and we could have wild cards these days if we wanted to *probably not financially but im just talking subjectively as a baseball history nerd here, in the end i have a spreadsheet where i got VBA to open internet explorer and run whatifsports with custom lineups to simulate an australian football league-style playoff for the top half of the league (different playoff structures for 4-8 teams where the top half of the teams get double elimination/byes) through baseball history (from 1900 to 2008 or whenever i did it). i have results and stats and the worst code i ever wrote, because its how i learned to write code i don't think it would actually be a good idea to do that, however. baseball isn't supposed to be about playoffs, really, but two 16-team piles where the top teams play seven games isn't a good option so putting one more layer of playoffs in seems fair in other words KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:concur: ALE, ALW, NLE, NLW but i would add some wild cards probably, i think theyve worked pretty well. not a full nfl or aussie rules or otherwise ridiculous system (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McIntyre_System), but those are kinda fun to make although i do think double-elimination is a good fit for baseball, i think it works well enough in the ncaa tournament, so i don't think that particular innovation is as frivolous as the other poo poo ive discussed here. actually now that i think about it, in the end there isn't enough time in the year for more than two proper series to be properly implemented and we're already pushing it with the IRL current mlb structure, but if people want few divisions and lots of playoff slots, maybe having 4 wild cards play an ncaa regional-style double-elim tournament in a long weekend would be a better way to deal with 'em than short series aping the nfl ohh and interleague play is fine, it's whatever edit: promotion and relegation actually we need to take an idea from japan and call one of them the climax series oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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As a baseball history nerd this is one of my favorite selections of baseball trivia: the only two players in MLB history with five 30HR/30SB seasons are Barry Bonds and Bobby Bonds Apropos of nothing but hey, I think it's cool. 
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It is a cool bit of trivia, indeed.
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Also my favorite completely ridiculous and goofy idea is to put all 30 teams in the playoffs, with a ladder (or gauntlet, as I understand esports nerds call it) playoff format. Like taking this year's NL West as an example, the format would be Oct 2: Padres at Giants Oct 3: 10/2 winner at Diamondbacks Oct 4: 10/3 winner at Rockies Oct 5: 10/4 winner at Dodgers Everyone theoretically has a chance, but in practice the Dodgers would win the division playoff like 70% of the time and the Rockies would win it 20% of the time, the lower teams very rarely winning, accounting for the better team being at home and fully rested while the lesser team is away, pitching a lesser starter and with a tired bullpen. Then the six winners of the intradivision playoffs play three rounds of best-of-7, with the two best regular season records getting byes through the first round. This will never ever happen in a million years of course, but it would be immensely popular if it did because of all the single-elimination games, and the regular season would still be hugely important. Not just to the good teams but to most of the teams, because finishing 3rd in your division gives you vastly better chances at luckboxing an intradivisional playoff win than finishing 4th. I mean 4 divisions and no wildcards is the best thing, but if we're gonna throw that away then the above would be better than what we do now while producing no less random a result. (You can't get OOTP to model this. I've tried.  )
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Niwrad posted:My vote on realignment is 2 divisions of 8 teams in each league. 6 teams make the playoffs in each like in football. Division winners get the "bye". Make the wild card games either 1 or 3 game series. dig this except i don't think the math works. 4 division winners 2 wild cards top two seeds get bye. 3 and 4 (division winners) vs 5 and 6 (wild cards) Does that sound right? 3 game WC series, 5 game DS, 7 game LCS/WS?
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Put the Rangers in the NL and swap somebody else to the AL. Having all three Texas teams in the same league just seems weird. Alternatively, base the divisions on when teams were created instead of on geography, just for shits and giggles.
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alternately lets do this hockey style: two divisions in each league. winning team from each division makes playoffs. six wild cards from each league. division winners seeded 1 and 2, rest seeded by record. successive seven game series until the world series.
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how about 4 8-team divisions where in each division the 2nd and 3rd place teams play once in the afternoon then again at night if the 2nd place team loses; the winner from that day plays a 5-game series against their first place division opponent starting the very next day? then two 7-game series. everybody could play, like, one doubleheader in the regular season to make up for it never gonna happen also never gonna happen; we could give teams in-series handicaps, like series where the top-seeded team has to win 2 games but the lower-seeded team has to win 3. if you could be flexible like that, you could build a system where the playoff structure is determined based on the win %s at the end of the year in a predetermined way, including stuff like this, seeding, and byes. the algorithm could be known before the season and we could project what the playoff system was going to be as the year went on edit: if you want more than two 7-game series i think you have to reduce the length of the regular season (unless you want to make em play double-headers all the time). if people want to go back to 156 or some poo poo that's cool i guess but it also means very few inter-league and -division games against each specific rival, so i don't think we have time for that i think the true aussie rules way would be to have 1 v 2 and 3 v 4 in the first round, then the winner of 3 v 4 and the loser of 1 v 2 in the next, then the winner of 1 v 2 plays the consolation round winner in the third round. then the world series would be the fourth round. it's bad to put the best team on a bye for even a 3-game series though*, i guess, that's kind of constraining * or is it Not Bad? maybe 'rustiness' isn't a real thing, or pitcher health weighs so strongly that rustiness doesn't matter compared to getting your ace to pitch in more games maybe have a quick two day thing where on the first day 3 plays 4, then the next day 2 plays the winner of 3 v 4, then they play a 5-gamer against their division's #1? i would say that the #1 seed should have to win one fewer game to win the series than the wild card round winner, but people would think it was confusing and stupid. it kinda is oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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bewbies posted:dig this except i don't think the math works. My bad. I meant 6 teams in the NL and 6 teams in the AL make it. The two division winners in the NL and two division winners in the AL get byes. Then there are 4 wild card teams in each league that get in. It would basically be a 12 team playoff like the NFL has it. Makes winning the division harder and more important.
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oystertoadfish posted:edit: promotion and relegation OOTP 19 can actually do promotion and relegation. Never tried it and it would probably be a mess with financials and stuff, but it has the ability to set up leagues that way.
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It's a horrible broken mess and the OOTP devs would do well to quit listening to the vocal minority on their forums who want OOTP to be Football Manager.
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prom/rel is the ultimate wanky fantasy and i love those but again i dont think its really worth supporting especially considering how never it's gonna happen we've just developed so differently, i think p/r's chance in actuality ended when our entire method of developing talent became based on a minor league tree. replacing it all with soccer-style loans and such would be pretty wacky as for why it happened in one place and not another, i think the Football League in England had to deal with a strong amateur Football Association, so they folded themselves into the structure, while the National Association then National League in the USGA could kind of just destroy that shamateur national amateur baseball clubs association, or whatever it was. i'm not sure why that was the case but i think i read it in a book like 10 years ago i think the book might've said the aristocracy were strong enough to keep amateurism well-funded in england while in the gilded age usa there was really no reason for a bunch of businessmen to not form a cabal and corner the market edit: i feel like baseball will stick around even if its fanbase keeps decaying (is it even decaying idk) just because it provides like 2,430 3 hour + average worth games of content a year that people might not just dvr, plus the postseason. i mean the league kinda hides from football on weekday nights or whatever, i dunno how the broadcasting industry actually works so this point is bullshit, but i figure everything's got its niche oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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They should support restructurings that will actually happen, like the death of baseball.
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This is an oversimplification somewhat but the minor leagues were mostly free independent operators until the 1920s/1930s. The Baltimore Orioles of the 1910s/1920s, personally owned and operated by a dude named Jack Dunn, were the powerhouse minor league team of the era, but were forced to sell their stars, most notably Babe Ruth (probably the best hitter ever, though he was a superstar pitcher with the Orioles) and then ten years later, Lefty Grove (possibly the best pitcher ever) but also some other dudes, partly due to plain ol' financial pressure but also partly due to the shenanigans of some major league teams. Branch Rickey was the biggest turning point that changed all that. Long before he was The Guy Who Broke The Color Line with the Dodgers he was running the Cardinals and buying up minor league teams, by the dozen, either outright or via agreements that essentially amounted to total control of the players on them. For twenty years the first Commissioner of Baseball, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, fought Rickey (and a few other guys, but most often and most vehemently Rickey) over this, Landis fighting to keep the minor leagues free and independent and not owned subsidiaries of major league teams. Rickey won, Landis lost, and by the 1950s essentially all professional baseball talent was owned in some way or another by the 16 Major League teams. One of the key differences between the U.S. and any country in Europe, of course, is that the U.S. is loving gigantic. From Cap Anson's time in the 19th century the major league teams sought, increasingly, to buy up the best players from smaller leagues, but until phone and radio became widespread after World War I, there were a good many really awesome players who probably would have been good major league players who never played in the majors, either because they were simply never properly scouted, or because they liked living in California or Oklahoma or Georgia or whatever and didn't want to live in a big northeastern city.
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also i think the like greek soccer league does a thing where the top 6 or whatever teams play some round-robin stuff (i think mexico might do this and call it a liguilla? probably others?), but i think they give everybody a number of points at the start based on their position, so the top team has to win less games than the others to take home the final trophy. i could imagine that getting adapted you could do it a little like formula 1 qualifying where there's a stage where the worst 8 teams are dropped, then you play another stage of games until 5-8 go down, then the top 4 play for the win edit after reading the above: that's also why the Pacific Coast League was big and could hold onto lots of west coast talent; it was labeled as some kind of intermediary quadruple-A quasi-major league right before plane travel and the dodgers/giants hosed the PCL over also wrt branch rickey, in addition to desegregating baseball and basically creating the idea of the farm system, he also was involved in a 1950's effort at a third major league - i think it would've been called the Continental League - which would place itself in cities like Miami and Denver that were big markets. the NL and AL ended up expanding partly due to this challenge, so i credit branch rickey with a major role in three of the biggest revolutions of the game in the 20th century. the only big thing he missed was being marvin miller, basically and yeah apparently big countries that use promotion/relegation can end up with stuff like a vladivostok team making the top soccer league in russia and barely struggling along for a few years before they dropped. maybe they're up right now, i don't know. the point is that they have ruinous transportation costs and don't really have an equal shot. i remember reading that the st petersburg team had some fans drive cross-continent for an away game, but their old car broke down, so the team bought them a new one (or maybe it was just train tickets) oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Round robin, every team plays every other team once for seeding 1-32, 32 team playoff bracket, all series are 7 games. No leagues, no masters.
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's a horrible broken mess and the OOTP devs would do well to quit listening to the vocal minority on their forums who want OOTP to be Football Manager. Also I'm like 90% sure the game is still unable to process three way ties, so you'd think they might want to fix that first but noooope
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the other often neglected half of the traditional soccer system, where there's no playoffs, is also having a knockout cup competition. the baseball leagues in the Netherlands and Italy might do this, idk if the minor league teams were still alive and not farm system puppets it'd be fun to see the Yankees going to like Fresno in early cup rounds and poo poo. we don't need to copy other people's structures though, just like they don't need to copy ours edit: I do think that if it weren't for people caring about past and present league structures we could shift to promotion relegation on a regional basis or whatever for college sports. i think you could go like English soccer here, go a few levels down and you start having the teams on that level split regionally, but the best of the best would play each other. only having like thirteen drat games would be a handicap but maybe just loving go pro with it like the University associated pro soccer teams in Latin America the cup competition would be great tho, reminds me of the ranfurly shield or whatever in provincial New Zealand rugby. so the big city winning teams are honor bound to go to rural rear end places and defend their shield by beating whoever 77-7. that could at least give cupcake games some kind of meaning oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's a horrible broken mess and the OOTP devs would do well to quit listening to the vocal minority on their forums who want OOTP to be Football Manager. I love OOTP but that vocal minority and the developer seems to really hate baseball.
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bewbies posted:As for Royce Lewis, his rear end only wants an 8+ year deal at 35m plus a year. Do we ride him until his last year of arbitration, or deal him this season? I say ride him till his last year unless there is a viable option in the minors. Window is now to win another championship or two with this pitching staff. If your back is against the wall financially in a year, you should easily be able to move him still and get a great return.
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oystertoadfish do you still have all the suborbital league stuff? That was amazing.
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kensei posted:oystertoadfish do you still have all the suborbital league stuff? That was amazing. honestly i think the last i saw of it was years ago when i was on twitter when the  brothers or whoever reposted it. no idea who. i remember it thoughi dont have office on this computer and open office wont open my ancient rear end macro spreadsheet so i cant get into the details of what i have right now on that whatifsports thing i mentioned before, it's got eight game series where the high seed has to win 4 but the low seed has to win 5 and a lot of other pointless-to-describe-or-to-have-done details my favorite part of that one is that i had to do some matrix math before i found out that arrays had been invented before my birth, so i used the row(), mod() and floor() functions in excel to generate a shitload of variables with names like r12c14. i then copy-pasted the spreadsheet to the vba code window. optimal workflow. i wonder what other gems are buried in there as for the league after suborbital jet travel renders distance meaningless, i do remember outlining a team in taiwan and korea to go along with howeverm many japanese teams i chose to choose in their division. i had some schroedinger's division poo poo going on i think where they could play either league's champions or some poo poo? i dunno. those were the days edit: i googled it with site:somethingawful.com and i did find you posting this thing i made thanks for saving that for the world  but yeah, i guess search works here now but i think im done for the moment oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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I ended up picking up OOTP19 on sale over the weekend and was trying (unsuccessfully) to sleep and realized it would be fun to share the chronicle of how I got Vlad Jr. on the Twins. When I took over in March, my owner immediately tasked me with extending Brian Dozier. In response, I traded him, Phil Hughes, and Jason Castro (to make room on the roster for Astudillo) to Houston for Gurriel and Kyle Tucker. In Mid May, frustrated with his poor performance (which seems to be a trend in all my OOTP games), I shopped Miguel Sano. Shockingly, the Rangers put out an interesting offer that also helped me with a different owner goal (upgrade at Right Field), and so I traded him to Texas in a deal that netted me Nomar Mazara and Willie Calhoun. June came and went with no major changes, though I did extend Astudillo for 10 years and Escobar for four, both for very good deals relative to their production. Astudillo actually won AL RotM for April and May Mid-July came and the market started heating up. Baltimore didn't have Machado on the block but they were rebuilding, and the Twins were in first place so I decided to go for it. Willie Calhoun, Gurriel, and a couple ancillary prospects got the deal done, and I was feeling good. But then I noticed that Toronto was in "win now" mode...and still had Vlad (who at this point was 55-55-55) in AA. Machado, Tucker, and a couple nothing pitching prospects had Vlad heading north to Minneapolis...sometime in late April/early May next year  I feel like Pete would probably be proud e: tl;dr - Turned Brian Dozier, Miguel Sano, and trash into Nomar Mazara and Vlad Jr. IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Niwrad posted:If you haven't done it, give the River Sharks and Minutemen some cool logos instead of the generic OOTP stuff. This was really cool by the way, thanks for doing it! BEHOLD THE NEW ALIGNMENT  Playoffs are as follows: 2 Division Winners, 2 Wild Cards. Teams are seeded DW1, DW2, WC1, WC2. DW1 plays WC2, and DW2 plays WC1. Wild Card round is best of three (HAH), Divisional Series is best of 5 (HHAAH), and LCS is best of 7 (HHAAHAH). ...This is shorter playoffs, but otherwise we'd be playing after Thanksgiving.
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Oh I remembered something else I learned from tinkering in the game myself. bewbies can you take a screenshot of our team chemistry page? I'm curious on how it looks for us (though I'm imagining it's mostly good) and also who our captain, leaders, and possible troublemakers are.
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 We actually just offloaded a couple "disruptive" players in Lucchesi and ...someone else I don't remember. This is atypical, normally there's at least one or two rear end in a top hat players.
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bewbies posted:This was really cool by the way, thanks for doing it! So wait, there's four teams from each league that make it in? Wouldn't it be Divisional -> Championship -> WS then?
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