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Adar posted:The opposition party would be extremely well placed to capitalize on this, but their leader thinks the outcome was a good idea and is doing everything possible to prevent a re-vote that would put him in power from happening. You're missing the SNP, Plaid and the Greens, and I'm not quite sure how you think a second referendum vote would put Corbyn in power even if Remain won this time (which is by no means a foregone conclusion, because there are still a billion old people who will vote Tory/Leave no matter what).
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Whitlam posted:So I've got a friend staying from California. For fun, he brought over a sample ballot. He was weirded out by our how-to-votes, I was weirded out by the write-in slot. Do write-in candidates ever win? I'm guessing the answer is "very rarely" at most, in which case my follow-up is "why include the option, and if they decline the position, does it just go to the second highest candidate?" Write in sometimes win, most famously a senator from Alaska won the general via write in after a Tea partier beat her in the primary I like to write in my own name a lot on the biggest races. I have more votes for president and governor of Illinois than any of youse All my in laws are currently in Britain or going to Britain shortly because brexit is making flights there super cheap
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Oct 22, 2018 14:47
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Whitlam posted:Oh yeah, that makes sense. I can see how that also might happen more for those really weird minor things that probably only like five people actually care about, like school building inspection commissioner or whatever the gently caress. Cheers. I almost became the Democratic candidate for County Attorney when I found out my girlfriend copied me and wrote my name in on the primary ballot with 8 other votes cast. Luckily at least 3 of those other 6 were for someone else.
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Oct 22, 2018 14:54
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feedmegin posted:You're missing the SNP, Plaid and the Greens, and I'm not quite sure how you think a second referendum vote would put Corbyn in power even if Remain won this time (which is by no means a foregone conclusion, because there are still a billion old people who will vote Tory/Leave no matter what). the SNP is implicitly covered by the "shedding the remaining spare parts of itself" line  any second referendum at this point comes with a bonus general election, unless you can think of a way that May could agree to one without instantly calling the other
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Oct 22, 2018 15:17
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Adar posted:the SNP is implicitly covered by the "shedding the remaining spare parts of itself" line So I don't understand Parliamentary procedure, is there ANY mechanism for anyone other than the PM to call for a general election? Is this like Congress where the business of the chamber is dictated by the party in power so nothing comes up they don't want to?
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Vote of no confidence from parliament also triggers , and I think certain must pass bills failing to pass (budget?) may also trigger an election.
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Oct 22, 2018 15:50
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Meatbag Esq. posted:Vote of no confidence from parliament also triggers , and I think certain must pass bills failing to pass (budget?) may also trigger an election. Ya, but what I mean is, how does one call a vote of no-confidence? Can some random Labour MP from Northwest Hamingtonshire just stand up and yell "NO CONFIDENCE!"?
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Oct 22, 2018 15:52
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I think Jar Jar has to initiate it.
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Oct 22, 2018 16:07
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Adar posted:the SNP is implicitly covered by the "shedding the remaining spare parts of itself" line Well, yes, but you've got the order wrong. A general election followed by Labour holding a second referendum, sure. I don't see why Labour somehow forcing a second referendum before that would cause a general election. You'd still have to get Tories to vote for that specifically to happen and they're all terrified of 
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I think Jar Jar has to initiate it. Ah but if you knew your lore *loud snorting* you would know that it is Natalie Portman who moves for a vote of no confidence.
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feedmegin posted:Well, yes, but you've got the order wrong. A general election followed by Labour holding a second referendum, sure. I don't see why Labour somehow forcing a second referendum before that would cause a general election. You'd still have to get Tories to vote for that specifically to happen and they're all terrified of you think the Tories could survive a motion of no confidence in the aftermath of a second referendum where Brexit loses, or even just after calling it in the first place? I guess that's theoretically a thing that could happen but that'd also be a universe where Boris Johnson thinks he'd get more out of supporting May than he would out of being The One True Brexiteer All Along*
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Adar posted:you think the Tories could survive a motion of no confidence in the aftermath of a second referendum where Brexit loses, or even just after calling it in the first place? Which Tory MPs do you think will vote for it? The Brexiteer ultra right wing swivel eyed loonies are not particularly inclined to put into place Prime Minister Corbyn. What's in it for them? Leadership challenge and change of PM, sure, but that doesn't mean a new general election.
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disjoe posted:Ah but if you knew your lore *loud snorting* you would know that it is Natalie Portman who moves for a vote of no confidence. Solo was an enjoyable flick. I liked how Lando mispronounced his name on purpose to explain that part of Empire. Seemed odd to have Roy Munson as a grizzled bounty hunter though.
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feedmegin posted:Which Tory MPs do you think will vote for it? The Brexiteer ultra right wing swivel eyed loonies are not particularly inclined to put into place Prime Minister Corbyn. What's in it for them? Leadership challenge and change of PM, sure, but that doesn't mean a new general election. i assume the theory here is that just enough anti-brexit tories defect to force the new referendum on a no-deal brexit
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feedmegin posted:Which Tory MPs do you think will vote for it? The Brexiteer ultra right wing swivel eyed loonies are not particularly inclined to put into place Prime Minister Corbyn. What's in it for them? Leadership challenge and change of PM, sure, but that doesn't mean a new general election. "why would the DUP stay" is a better question, IMO
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Oct 22, 2018 19:31
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Meatbag Esq. posted:Vote of no confidence from parliament also triggers , and I think certain must pass bills failing to pass (budget?) may also trigger an election. i thought the UK passed some law to make it harder to force new elections
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evilweasel posted:i thought the UK passed some law to make it harder to force new elections It’s very possible I was confusing U.K. and Canada.
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Meatbag Esq. posted:It’s very possible I was confusing U.K. and Canada. I think what you posted is exactly how it used to work: what I don't know is if that's still how it works.
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evilweasel posted:I think what you posted is exactly how it used to work: what I don't know is if that's still how it works. You're thinking of the fixed-term parliaments act, which does say that elections should be held every 5 years on schedule, but: 1) A 2/3 vote of parliament is sufficient for an early election, and in practice it turns out that the opposition party is reluctant to force the current government to stay in power, even if they expect to lose the election. There's been exactly one election since the act and it was an early election under this provision. 2) A no-confidence vote will bring down the government and force an election anyway, and only requires a majority of parliament. It's unclear to me what prevents the governing party no-confidencing itself to get an early election, besides "it would look ridiculous".
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:You're thinking of the fixed-term parliaments act, which does say that elections should be held every 5 years on schedule, but: So is the net effect that the defeat of a "supply" bill no longer brings down the government?
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Oct 22, 2018 20:15
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Like anything to do with old democracies the answer is always "decorum" unless it's an issue of constitutional law in which case it is like extra nerdy decorum.
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Oct 22, 2018 20:38
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what the poo poo is going on in here
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Oct 22, 2018 20:44
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evilweasel posted:So is the net effect that the defeat of a "supply" bill no longer brings down the government? I think this is right, yes
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How can you have a government without a budget? In the Canadian system basically all government spending requires a vote from Parliament (or the provincial legislature). Loss of supply means you cannot govern.
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blarzgh posted:what the poo poo is going on in here We’re talking about Star Wars
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Gleri posted:How can you have a government without a budget? In the Canadian system basically all government spending requires a vote from Parliament (or the provincial legislature). Loss of supply means you cannot govern. We've managed for the last 8 years or so.
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Gleri posted:How can you have a government without a budget? In the Canadian system basically all government spending requires a vote from Parliament (or the provincial legislature). Loss of supply means you cannot govern. Same here. One of Australia's biggest political scandals (the dismissal of PM Gough Whitlam by the Queen's representative here) was caused by failure of the Senate to guarantee supply.* *somewhat simplified explanation but that was the official trigger and mechanism.
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Didn't one of Australia's prime ministers get eaten by a shark
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mastershakeman posted:Didn't one of Australia's prime ministers get eaten by a shark Lost at sea so probably eventually, or he was picked up by a scary communist Chinese submarine, which some people still believe happened. Then we named a pool after him.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Solo was an enjoyable flick. I liked how Lando mispronounced his name on purpose to explain that part of Empire. Seemed odd to have Roy Munson as a grizzled bounty hunter though. Yeah it was fine. I probably liked Rogue One better but I’m the only person in my circle of friends who preferred Last Jedi to Force Awakens so I’m not exactly a bellwether.
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evilweasel posted:i assume the theory here is that just enough anti-brexit tories defect to force the new referendum on a no-deal brexit Yep. Sure. So that happens. How do you get from there to 'parliament is dissolved'? It's not a motion of no confidence. Also absolutely loving lol if you think the DUP want a Corbyn government https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/john-mcdonnell-apologises-praising-ira-claims-did-everything/ Also also yes the fixed term parliaments act is dumb af, poorly thought through and brought in specifically to preserve the Coalition. Why it doesn't have a sunset clause I don't know. British-constitution.xpm feedmegin fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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disjoe posted:Yeah it was fine. I probably liked Rogue One better but I’m the only person in my circle of friends who preferred Last Jedi to Force Awakens so I’m not exactly a bellwether. Last Jedi was a cheesy laugh-out-loud movie for the whole family. My favorite part was when effectively all of the good guys were brutally killed after the many zany plans fell through. My other favorite part was the opening scene featuring the use of clunky, WW2 style gravity bomb munitions in space.
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disjoe posted:Yeah it was fine. I probably liked Rogue One better but I’m the only person in my circle of friends who preferred Last Jedi to Force Awakens so I’m not exactly a bellwether. Force Awakens was way too derivative and I didn’t think much of the main bad guy. I still haven’t finished Last Jedi after starting it. I can’t remember Rogue One much but I do remember I liked it better than Force Awakens. I guess I like the time period of Eps IV-VI better. There are just too many movies coming out and it’s weird (but good) to see them made with slick Hollywood production values and competent writing and direction as opposed to George Lucas nonsense. Anyway they’re popcorn movies for kids so that’s how I watch them and they’re fun movies when watched with those expectations. I’m doing my best to derail the politichat
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Vox Nihili posted:Last Jedi was a cheesy laugh-out-loud movie for the whole family. My favorite part was when effectively all of the good guys were brutally killed after the many zany plans fell through. My other favorite part was the opening scene featuring the use of clunky, WW2 style gravity bomb munitions in space. Yeah the “bombers” made absolutely no sense whatsoever even by Star Wars standards (they have bombers already and their bombs are guided) and I think that’s when I stopped watching the first time. The second time was when Luke milked a walrus
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Yeah the “bombers” made absolutely no sense whatsoever even by Star Wars standards (they have bombers already and their bombs are guided) and I think that’s when I stopped watching the first time. The second time was when Luke milked a walrus To be fair there are TIE Bombers in Empire Strikes Back who drop gravity bombs on that asteroid the Millennium Falcon hides in. It is v v dumb but that movie didnt start it.
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My main problem was when the climax of the movie rendered the entire Star Wars universe inconsistent because being able to hyperspace ram something means that no space ship larger than a personelle transport would ever be constructed. Why go through all the bullshit with the death star secret plans? Just ram it with a big loving drone.
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Vox Nihili posted:Last Jedi was a cheesy laugh-out-loud movie for the whole family. My favorite part was when effectively all of the good guys were brutally killed after the many zany plans fell through. My other favorite part was the opening scene featuring the use of clunky, WW2 style gravity bomb munitions in space. Yes it was incredible Like, just to be clear I have no defense of the movie and am in no way interested in defending it because I know it’s mostly schlock. I just really love the schlock. disjoe fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Last Jedi was pretty good and would have been even better if Finn and poes entire plot lines were taken out 5>4>6>8>3>r1>2>1>7 or so. Haven't seen solo. Last few are interchangeably bad but 7 completely killed off the whole reason to bring star wars back by just being so terribly set up from a universe setting perspective. They actually have really great leads now but nothing to do with them, thank God adam driver is making it watchable even though 9 is gonna suck Basically it's all jj Abrams fault.
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Considering they’ve mastered faster than light travel, energy generation capable of destroying planets, and plasma containment fields to make swords, their cannon/blaster/missile targeting systems are pretty garbage.
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